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whats the truth on "blacks created rock and roll"?
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 4:17 PM Author: boyish fat ankles range given our current media situation I'm skeptical of all liberal leaning claims. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319567) |
Date: October 23rd, 2021 4:57 PM Author: Orchid Public Bath Have you ever heard of Chuck Berry or Jimmy Hendrix? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319751) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 2:15 PM Author: crystalline center philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327635) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 4:59 PM Author: light bateful ceo They contributed greatly but acting like rock isn’t the intersection of blues and white music is absurd revisionism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319758) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:02 PM Author: Stimulating Queen Of The Night Candlestick Maker there's also a folk/country subgenre of rock that's entirely white in origin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319768) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:04 PM Author: light bateful ceo Well that’s kind of the intersection, blacks and whites met up in Tennessee and hashed it all out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319775) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:04 PM Author: Stimulating Queen Of The Night Candlestick Maker lol false (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319777) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:06 PM Author: light bateful ceo How so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319784) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:08 PM Author: Stimulating Queen Of The Night Candlestick Maker country and bluegrass are forms of music imported from the british isles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319798) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:09 PM Author: light bateful ceo I meant that’s what intersected with blues retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319799) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:11 PM Author: Stimulating Queen Of The Night Candlestick Maker yeah youre dumb as fuck hank williams was totally mixing it up with blacks bro |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:12 PM Author: light bateful ceo You’re very low iq aren’t you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319813) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:13 PM Author: Stimulating Queen Of The Night Candlestick Maker nope but u are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319815) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:42 PM Author: mauve kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327447) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 3:33 PM Author: mustard laughsome church building pocket flask That’s not rock and roll, that’s old time music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43323384) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:05 PM Author: Orchid Public Bath The Beach Boys straight ripped off Surfin USA from Chuck Berry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319779) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:13 PM Author: Irradiated Lavender Death Wish Rigor ok, what is your point? did you know Chuck Berry was influenced by country music? you are in over your head here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319816) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:37 PM Author: Massive mahogany set "Chuck Berry was influenced by country music" -- a true and under-appreciated point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319894) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:41 PM Author: Massive mahogany set from A History of Rock and Roll in 500 Songs:
Berry had always been interested in playing as many different styles of music as he could — he was someone who was trying to incorporate the sounds of Louis Jordan, Muddy Waters, Charlie Christian, and Nat “King” Cole, among others. And so as well as performing blues, jazz, and rhythm and blues music, he’d also incorporated a fair amount of country and western music in his shows. And in particular, he was an admirer of Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, and he would perform their song “Ida Red” in shows, where it always went down well.
[explains how Berry turned the Western Swing classic, Ida Red, into Maybelline]
And Berry’s music did resemble the Memphis rockabilly more than it resembled anything else. Both had electric lead guitars, double bass, drums, and reverb, and no saxophone and little piano. Both sang sped-up hillbilly boogies with a hard backbeat. Rock and roll was, as we have seen, a disparate genre at first, and people would continue to pull from a whole variety of different sources. But working independently and with no knowledge of each other, a white country hick from Tennessee and a sophisticated black urbanite from the Midwest had hit upon almost exactly the same formula, and Berry was going to make sure that he made the connection as clear as possible.
https://500songs.com/podcast/episode-29-maybellene-by-chuck-berry/#more-667 |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 2:45 PM Author: Exhilarant selfie whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43323231) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 5:05 PM Author: Massive mahogany set you can easily imagine how Chuck Berry did this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtbZ8dp2AIw |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 11:44 PM Author: Massive mahogany set Chuck Berry's "Promised Land," later covered by Elvis and the Grateful Dead, was just new lyrics on the country music classic, "Wabash Cannonball."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKH1nL4huCE |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:03 PM Author: comical bull headed parlor there's also the invention of the guitar and electric guitar which is pretty important imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319771) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 10:27 AM Author: boyish fat ankles range CR - that's white all the way. I also lol'd at the thought of some homeboy inventing the guitar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43326488) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 8:57 AM Author: appetizing base This like saying gooks invented Italian food because they invented pasta. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343123) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:06 PM Author: scarlet excitant point nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319785) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:06 PM Author: Abusive giraffe elastic band False. Marty McFly did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319787) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:19 PM Author: beta indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319833) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:38 PM Author: cyan arousing corner kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327427) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:07 PM Author: Massive mahogany set isn't the claim that blacks were mostly responsible for rhythm and blues and that led to rock-and-roll being created by both blacks and whites? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319791) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:43 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate yes and that is correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327455) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:08 PM Author: Irradiated Lavender Death Wish Rigor mix of rhythm and blues (i.e. black music— or race music as it used to be called), pop (stuff like Frank Sinatra, Patti Page), and country and western (aka rural music). All of this, particularly race and rural music was lower class. Rock and roll was really class music. Revenge of the proles. neglecting the very large contribution of blacks is as dumb as neglecting the contribution of whites (mostly poor) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319797) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:14 PM Author: Khaki razzle temple cr. There are only three original rock and roll acts:
1. Little Richard
2. Jerry Lee Lewis
3. Elvis Presley
These are the bare bones trio that defined the genre. That's what you have to work with.
All three had one thing in common: poor as fuck southern church doods. Southern churches probably had a tradition of people doing these kinds of antics stretching back to the reconstruction era, maybe even earlier for the negroes. It just wasn't until the 1950s that that Sam Phillips came along and started making recordings. If you read about Sam Phillips he was a weird dude. Sort of a shut-in loner music dork, probably autistic, who seemed to find his outlet through music he heard during the great depression. |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:28 PM Author: Motley space ape fair, but why is LR #1? Elvis came first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327360) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:06 PM Author: Khaki razzle temple They're in no particular order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329323) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:50 AM Author: Henna Area Party Of The First Part Sam Phillips tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343528) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 9:47 PM Author: boyish fat ankles range this sounds about right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43324780) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:16 PM Author: Gold mood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwpfi39DCDw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319824) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:26 PM Author: Bronze Beady-eyed Pistol Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319866) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 5:50 PM Author: Coral volcanic crater Rate me as a Hendrix tune. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43319922) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 8:11 PM Author: mind-boggling chad little wing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43320480) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 8:16 PM Author: Nighttime jewess faggotry Voodoo Child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43320509) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 10:52 PM Author: Drunken iridescent shitlib house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43324944) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:13 PM Author: frisky native sound barrier wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329343) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2021 8:20 PM Author: Big-titted Red Church Whoever came up with the guitar and also the major and minor pentatonics probably deserve most of the credit, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43320524) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 2:48 PM Author: kink-friendly canary ratface string instruments came from African Wakanda vines everyone knows this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43323239) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 3:39 PM Author: Electric filthpig why is this a left leaning claim when you’re not even sure of its accuracy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43323398) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 8:59 AM Author: appetizing base CR. XOXO is inherently suspicious of any claim giving blacks credit for anything, even when interest ignorant on the topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343132) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 3:43 PM Author: avocado gas station psychic Largely false. Black music emphasized the back beat which rock also does but rock did several other things that blacks had nothing to do with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43323405) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 8:59 AM Author: appetizing base lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343134) |
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Date: October 24th, 2021 9:50 PM Author: Motley space ape guitar was invented by an italian and England had strumming bards for centuries. In America the southern country combined these. Then Elvis shook it up. blacks contributed of course but those contributions are grossly overblown. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43324789) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:39 PM Author: cyan arousing corner kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327430) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:41 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate all elvis did was shake his ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327442) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:11 PM Author: Khaki razzle temple Guitar was considered a shitty, low class instrument in England. American slaves got ahold of them because they were cheap and easier to acquire than other instruments. That's why all these old english rock guitarists talk about busting their ass for years to get one damn Fender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329336) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 1:41 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate actually Jews created rock and roll by stealing black music. blacks created Jazz and Blues, Blues being the precursor to Rock. not much debate to be had there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43327444) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 3:13 PM Author: Motley space ape honorable flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43328066) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 3:13 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate go on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43328069) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 4:01 PM Author: godawful trump supporter jews created rap that is true. But they had little to no influence on rock and roll beside shady record deals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43328370) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 4:39 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate they were cultivating the artists and responsible for the entire marketing and public relations that turned "rock and roll" (slang for sex) into a concept that could be understood by the American public. early rock was literally nothing more than 2nd rate blues, unlike blues and jazz there is no harmonic innovation in rock. rock was invented to market Blues to white ppl. it is a jewish invention as much as rap is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43328518) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:30 PM Author: godawful trump supporter typical jew, weasle in to something the white man created and try to claim ownership. Its ridiculous and the usual jew envy reeks like an outhouse, but I do admire the flagrant way you people go about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329423) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:38 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate yes white people invented playing blues scales on guitar. it had nothing to do with marketing at all, popular music rarely does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329453) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 3:15 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle hateful coldplay fan field blacks in Africa never developed "music" beyond drumming ooga booga beats.
so take a guess |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 4:00 PM Author: godawful trump supporter this claim is made for the same reasons as Out of Africa Theory. it makes people feel good to say blacks were essential in some way to humanity and the arts. hot tip - they aren't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43328366) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:02 AM Author: appetizing base Wow we have people who deny OOA. On this board.
Not sure whether that or denying that blavks have played a huge role in American artistic culture is more kooky. Yeah buddy Michael Jackson wasn't "essentual" to the develop of popular music, the music video as an art form, the album as a concept, the modern concert tour, etc. |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 4:05 PM Author: Jet-lagged senate weed whacker 'rock' music is definitionally white.
'rock' isn't rock unless a white guy is singing it. it's something in the grain of the voice that makes Elvis' version of a standard R&B or C&W song suddenly a 'Rock' song when he sings it. as soon as white people started playing rhythm music, it became something different by virtue of the white influence. Rock music and whiteness are indivisible. the element that white people brought to rhythm music is ironic detachment -- which set it on its path of elaborate experimentation and cerebreality (Bo Diddley vs Sgt. Pepper), but also made it less immediately earnest and 'soulful' than black music. |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 4:42 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate rock is a white thing that was invented by jews. kinda like christianity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43328528) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:17 PM Author: frisky native sound barrier take your meds, Henry Aaron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329361) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:17 PM Author: Fishy Supple Karate Sorry I thought you guys might like to hear from someone who actually knows music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43329364) |
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Date: October 25th, 2021 7:43 PM Author: transparent passionate sex offender azn Ken Burns' History of Country Music touches on this.
Blues + Country --> Rockabilly --> Rock |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 8:54 AM Author: appetizing base Why is this a liberal lending claim? Just because it gives credit to black people? Are you crediting the asertion that Republicans are racist against blacks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343108) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:02 AM Author: Mischievous Parlour Every person I have heard make this point is a circlehead shitlib fag
I’m sure you like pointing out how cowboys and shit were really just mexicans too |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 8:56 AM Author: appetizing base Of course they did.
The origins are covered above ITT but what is accepted as the first bona fide rock and roll song (by most music critics and scholars) was a song called "Rocket 88" by One Turner (yes, of beating-the-shit-out-of-Tina-Turner fame).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfnh1oVTk0 |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:00 AM Author: Irradiated Lavender Death Wish Rigor STFU. I explained already why you are wrong. You are as retarded as the fag who pointed to a Beach Boys song as proof that blacks "invented" rock & roll. This isn't science you jackass. You can't point to one song and say, "This is it! This is when rock & roll was invented." It was a process, an amalgam. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:04 AM Author: appetizing base Well most music historians (and popular belief) disagree with you. Why should I side with you over them?
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-first-ever-rock-and-roll-song/
https://www.rockatnight.com/2020/10/the-first-rock-and-roll-hit-song-rocket-88/
https://www.culturesonar.com/rocket-88-one-of-the-pioneering-songs-of-rock/
XO posters get super salty about giving credits to URMs. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: Massive mahogany set the podcast "A History of Rock and Roll in 500 Songs" does a pretty good job, as far as i'm concerned, in showing why Rocket 88 is the first r-n-r song only on an arbitrary basis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343390) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:20 AM Author: Irradiated Lavender Death Wish Rigor You are not addressing my point. Dipshit cultural critics can point to a song and say, "First Rock and Roll song" -- OK, fine, but it is not like the first time someone discovered the North Pole. You can't say, "All rock and roll flowed from this one song." Culture doesn't work that way. Look at what I said above-- I am in no way saying blacks weren't critical to the development of rock and roll. That would be ridiculous. What I am saying is that whites contributed to. Without white influence, you still just have R&B, which is different from R&R. Without black influence you still just have C&W, which is different from R&R. BTW the sites you linked to are shit. Read some real rock crit-- like from Dave Marsh or Robert Christgau or Lester Bangs. All those fags LOVE black music but they aren't dumb enough to claim that blacks "invented" rock and roll. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:44 AM Author: appetizing base Perhaps you are correct and I am being too aggressive.
I was mainly just replying to the boneheads up above arguing that blacks' influence on R&R is just lib fantasy. I'm not interested in a competition over who is more talented musically-blacks or whites. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:46 AM Author: Irradiated Lavender Death Wish Rigor The sad thing is that blacks abandoned rock and roll (or weren't getting airplay on AOR so went in another direction). No reason you couldn't have more people like Chuck Berry or Jimi Hendrix. Of course it doesn't matter now because whites have abandoned rock and roll too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343505) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:49 AM Author: appetizing base I mean, blacks couldn't even be featured on the own album covers back then. This is an old school Otis Redding cover:
https://www.clashmusic.com/news/otis-reddings-mystery-woman |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:52 AM Author: Irradiated Lavender Death Wish Rigor While I agree that blacks got short shrift from record companies and radio, that sort of stuff was common. This isn't Herb Alpert https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHQ67rLVia5T3A1j1DjQ59OtCOS3Kh2x5teQ&usqp=CAU |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:09 AM Author: appetizing base This is perhaps more representative.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411235009709639305/ |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 8:57 AM Author: mind-boggling chad JUST TAKE THEM OLD RECORDS OFF THE SHELF
YOU HONKIES DIDNT MAKE EM BY YOURSELF |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:27 AM Author: bistre thriller legal warrant coffee pot They are responsible for the “& Roll” part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948251&forum_id=2#43343220) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:10 AM Author: Stimulating Queen Of The Night Candlestick Maker rock n roll sounding song from blacks in 1946: https://youtu.be/PR6pHtiNT_k |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 2:56 PM Author: Massive mahogany set cr.
and here's one from 1938:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNW2dZMyWE
and this one, also recorded in 1938, was one that Chuck Berry played in concert and was the inspiration for Berry's "Maybelline."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtbZ8dp2AIw
1944:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88l-M0KgkI
1947:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9auUfitVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtbZ8dp2AIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uxrypkqv4 |