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are there writers here still trying to break in through traditional publishers?
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:56 AM Author: thirsty jew if you are an unknown white male you have no chance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343546) |
Date: October 28th, 2021 10:58 AM Author: Know-it-all Talented Kitchen Digit Ratio I came tantalizingly close. Agent at big ny agency, ms out on sub. Fizzled.
The only alternative route I see recommended is 1. get a million twitter followers, 2. self-pub to your audience like BAP
Gotta be a third way, right? |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 10:59 AM Author: thirsty jew no you need to take an internet marketing class and make friends with a digital illustrator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343560) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:01 AM Author: Pea-brained piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343573) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:03 AM Author: Know-it-all Talented Kitchen Digit Ratio my own writing merit aside, this would produce a writer-class comprised entirely of "promoters", media-whores, extraverts, and social media addicts.
if there is another cormac mccarthy out there -- or any writer who would die before "tweet-marketing" his book -- he's lost |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:10 AM Author: thirsty jew i think a cormac mccarthy level writer would still break through.
but yes, its becoming more like other entertainment fields where there is a real need to do the "dirty work" of self-promotion. you need a business mindset and most of the successful in this environment are more concerned with business than art |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:06 AM Author: sienna disrespectful roast beef There is a third way, but it involves lopping your dick off and publicly humiliating yourself to appease the God of Victimhood. I like the digital marketing idea better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343605) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:05 AM Author: Magical gay wizard CHECKING IN. Yea, straight white male here with a ms with masculine themes, zero chance in the current climate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343599) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 3:32 PM Author: concupiscible maize menage personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345103) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:24 PM Author: swashbuckling mother lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345373) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:08 PM Author: indigo quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345967) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:09 PM Author: Magical gay wizard Luckily I am an excellent writer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345970) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:14 PM Author: indigo quadroon While the venerable "blue throne" is certainly not cutting edge, we're still talking about first class flying, so it would be beyond petulant to seriously complain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345996) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:14 PM Author: Magical gay wizard You're a homeless loser living under a bridge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345997) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:28 PM Author: indigo quadroon at least it's a venerable blue bridge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43346094) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:35 PM Author: Titillating national karate (Huffpo blogger bragging about excellent writing skills, tp) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43346135) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:52 PM Author: indigo quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43346237) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:56 PM Author: Titillating national karate Let's just get this out of the way now, getting to the pristine beaches of the Albanian Riviera is not an easy task. Traveling in Albania can be a tiresome, frustrating and it's always quirky
Poetry. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 7:39 PM Author: swashbuckling mother that last sentence is lulzy doesnt even make sense. how did an editor not spot that jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43346533) |
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Date: October 29th, 2021 10:23 AM Author: Titillating national karate Not even an editor has read that huffpo bloggers work
ZERO. READERS. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:35 PM Author: Mind-boggling elite mental disorder stead Poast an excerpt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345429) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:08 PM Author: indigo quadroon yeah that's what's holding you back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345965) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2021 10:09 AM Author: Titillating national karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43370318) |
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Date: July 13th, 2023 7:25 AM Author: Clear bat shit crazy heaven place of business Awwwww (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#46542291) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:08 AM Author: Orange coiffed principal's office Been focusing on indie publishers. They are way more communicative. Only got a couple ms requests from agents but got usual “it’s great but not right time.”
Also have a couple tv specs that I’m shopping. Getting staffed as a swm is nearly impossible though. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:12 AM Author: thirsty jew its an up hill climb. they arent interested in serving male readership as a demographic. makes it even hard beyond the initial bias (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343640) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:11 AM Author: Know-it-all Talented Kitchen Digit Ratio one thing Ive learned. when you spam agents with queries, jsut do the needful and only contact white men. you will have to include gay men and jewish men.
but you can still find one white man (if gay, if jewish) in almost every agency.
My hit rate on white men has been like 4/50. When I queried based on genre, independent of demographics, my hit rate was like 0/150.
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Date: October 28th, 2021 11:14 AM Author: thirsty jew thats a decent strategy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343646) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 12:02 PM Author: Orange coiffed principal's office I'm disappointed a more non-political publisher hasnt jumped in to correct this market inefficiency. Goes to show you the control libs have over everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343903) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 12:09 PM Author: Know-it-all Talented Kitchen Digit Ratio its probably similar to whats happening in movies. there will be a buzz lightyear backstory movie, and there will be a 19th book in the "live laugh love" series and this will continue until the very last dollar is made.
why even fund something new and creative
like everyone above wrote, you have to not only make the movie / book yourself, you have to get a big audience and then carry that to the publisher/distributer, customers already in hand. If there is enough cash ready for deposit, they will hold their nose that it comes from white supremacists.
which means the only ones who break through will indeed by relentless self-promoters with massive salesmen energy. Their "books" could just as easily be vitamin supplements
The misanthropic quiet artist will starve, which may be as nature intended |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 12:17 PM Author: Pea-brained piazza lol mhm yes it's "libs" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43343991) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 12:09 PM Author: Greedy indian lodge french chef Yes, recently tried and failed. Sent out about 70 queries for a sci-fi thriller, got 2 requests for more but so far radio silence/rejection. it is schlock, but it is better than what passes for sci-fi schlock nowadays.
If I had to do it again, I would at the very least query under a vaguely ethnic-sounding pen name. you will eventually have to give it up, likely even before publishing, but if the work is good you only need eyes on your pages at the query stage, which you won't get as a white guy |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 1:01 PM Author: thirsty jew the funny thing is that there are many thousands of ppl (mostly young to middle aged white males) who would probably be interested in your book. the publishers just have no interest in serving them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43344225) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:31 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Theatre Windowlicker went on short vacation with wife/kids and some of my 1st cousins a couple months ago.
one of my cousins is my age mid 40's married to a shrew wife, but otherwise is a chill dude. quit his management job as engineer at Samsung to buy and run an HVAC biz. but anyway he knows i wrote some things. we got drunk and he was telling me all about this novel he is writing that is a period piece McCarthy style book. i didn't have the heart to tell him it will never find a publisher or audience. he is a smart dude and i don't know his quality of writing, but that is the reality. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: mauve selfie library if you're doing genre shit--ie work that has a real audience not just looking for prestige--there are paths to going your own way.
I know an extremely successful SF writer who got in by just self-publishing chapters from his book on live journal when that site was a thing |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:38 PM Author: Mind-boggling elite mental disorder stead (Carmen Mola) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345443) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 1:05 PM Author: mauve selfie library No straight white goy men, no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43344251) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 2:13 PM Author: territorial violet alpha tattoo If Michael O. Church is struggling to get his opus published what chance do I have? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43344673) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 3:18 PM Author: hilarious base WTF just write a good book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345020) |
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Date: July 13th, 2023 2:24 PM Author: thirsty jew thats the easy part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#46543692) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 3:28 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Theatre Windowlicker i used to think it's what i wanted to do. with the trannypoz'd media right now, i think it's no hope.
i wrote a couple of spec scripts when younger, and did the project greenlight and several more spec script competitions years back. got very positive responses, but now i have given up, really.
have 5-6 good ideas that i think ppl would like, but no inspiration. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 3:36 PM Author: Know-it-all Talented Kitchen Digit Ratio not flame, if enough posters gave me crypto wealth, I would use all of it to found a publishing house not even for "right wing" books and scripts, but with a focus on adult male readers, teenage boys, and middle grade boys.
I would commit to paying myself only 50k per year and using all other funding to employ good agents and building a distribution infrastructure and web presence.
I would name the damn house Exeunt Books or Gatormo or XOXOHTH or whatever anyone wanted. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:23 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Theatre Windowlicker the final straw was that tim sykes grifter company where he charges people to help edit and straw write their shitty stories that will never find an audience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345365) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:25 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Theatre Windowlicker i wasn't criticizing you are saying that is what you would do. just stating my overall feelings for the industry where 80+ percent of lit agents are woman or fags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345378) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:39 PM Author: Know-it-all Talented Kitchen Digit Ratio no i understood. and over 80%. I think, in the NYC agencies, it is probably 90% female, 75% Jewish. 99-100% registered democrat.
Probably less diversity than an oil rig and one of the least diverse industries in america. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:06 PM Author: bearded regret volcanic crater males don't read fiction anymore--they play video games instead...fiction reading is a female market now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345955) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2021 12:17 PM Author: mauve selfie library gbti, shlomo.
they don't PUBLISH fiction for males so oc males don't read it |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 6:07 PM Author: razzle salmon friendly grandma yarmulke i hope you're jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43345959) |
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Date: July 13th, 2023 6:57 AM Author: indigo quadroon "im 9/8 jewish and still can't get the book i never wrote published" (rsf) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#46542235) |
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Date: July 13th, 2023 11:37 AM Author: Clear bat shit crazy heaven place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#46542878) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:34 PM Author: indigo quadroon great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#43634055) |
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Date: July 13th, 2023 11:36 AM Author: Clear bat shit crazy heaven place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#46542877) |
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Date: July 13th, 2023 6:59 AM Author: Comical casino alt chick i know just got published. podcast after. not much money it it, though. a little bit tho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4951277&forum_id=2#46542237) |