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POLL: Did SCOTUS make the right decision in overturning Roe v Wade?

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Razzle-dazzle alpha
  06/24/22
Yes
Navy home scourge upon the earth
  06/25/22
Of course
Out-of-control lavender plaza corn cake
  06/24/22
I got a B- in conlaw and it was still obvious that Roe was b...
flirting school hissy fit
  06/24/22
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saffron pozpig coffee pot
  06/24/22
C+ here, agree.
Swollen puppy
  06/24/22
trumpkin, maybe you got a B- because you can't see that Roe ...
Galvanic learning disabled gaping
  06/24/22
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emerald public bath police squad
  06/24/22
Perhaps given that you’re stupid and got bad grades yo...
Slap-happy corner
  06/24/22
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  06/24/22
(maf)
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  06/24/22
Shouldn’t Sotomayor have recused herself then?
wild flesh property tank
  06/24/22
And he’s still twice as smart as Sotomayor
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  06/24/22
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You didn’t look hard enough at the penumbras broski. A...
Misunderstood Chest-beating Institution
  06/25/22
B+, but agree There are multiple self-defeating fuckups i...
Cream diverse black woman dingle berry
  06/25/22
obviously
Crusty Nibblets Shitlib
  06/24/22
No, the 14th Amendment covers a woman's right to decide her ...
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
but we're talking re: abortion here, which necessarily entai...
slippery locus
  06/24/22
you're dodging the point / when do fetal rights trump the mo...
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
solid point, Moishe
slippery locus
  06/24/22
(90 IQ prole goy logic)
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
(kike)
slippery locus
  06/24/22
Kike Overlord Please
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
None of the mother's rights are infringed here at all. Not a...
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  06/24/22
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slippery locus
  06/24/22
At best, this is a question that state legislatures should d...
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  06/24/22
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“Men are inconvenienced by an unwanted pregnancy as we...
wild flesh property tank
  06/24/22
Women have more choices than that. In every state, she can c...
Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard
  06/24/22
"I always hoped that some bro would raise an equal prot...
wild flesh property tank
  06/24/22
I have not read the opinion but after reading the wiki artic...
Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard
  06/25/22
I don't know how these laws work, but can't the father overr...
wild flesh property tank
  06/25/22
I am not a scholar in this area, but at least as of 2003, th...
Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard
  06/29/22
>the right to not be murdered trumps the right to not be ...
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  06/24/22
And the Chief Rabbi of Israel has ruled that life begins at ...
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  06/29/22
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  06/25/22
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  06/27/22
when do any child rights trump the mother's rights? The mot...
well-lubricated haunted graveyard point
  06/24/22
when does the fetus become a child with rights?
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
why are Americans responsible for the security of Israel?
slippery locus
  06/24/22
we shouldn't be / Israel does not treat America very well an...
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
are you one of those self-hating kikes? those might actual...
slippery locus
  06/24/22
one can be a kike but love america more, hth when was the...
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
Moishe, if you weren't a 5'6 jewfrow, beady eyed, hooked...
slippery locus
  06/24/22
answer the question incel
motley walnut market headpube
  06/24/22
faggot post
slippery locus
  06/24/22
(90 IQ prole goy logic)
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  06/24/22
(really high iq faggot kike lib with hiv slowly rotting anus...
slippery locus
  06/24/22
Now do vaccines
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  06/30/22
Y
multi-colored blood rage
  06/24/22
yes
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  06/24/22
Yes, follows Constitution.
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Yes, not even a question.
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  06/24/22
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  06/24/22
Yes
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  06/24/22
taking away rights is never a good thing
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  06/24/22
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  06/24/22
What if the Supreme Court had ruled in 1973 that there is a ...
wild flesh property tank
  06/24/22
rights are sacred: for men, it's the right to bear arms ...
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  06/29/22
Take home: Established and Relied Upon Rights have been t...
ruddy heady new version resort
  06/30/22
Duh. Roe was absurd legislating from the bench.
Offensive double fault
  06/24/22
I'm pro-choice and it was the correct decision
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(rare guy with integrity)
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  06/24/22
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Ditto. [I'm so pro-choice I think _Buck v. Bell_ was correct...
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  06/24/22
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  06/24/22
100%
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  06/24/22
I believe in a right to abortion, but all abortion laws shou...
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  06/24/22
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  06/24/22
I'm pro-life and I'm not thrilled. Maybe I'm just a pussy ab...
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  06/24/22
The entire reason we had a divisive abortion debate at all (...
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  06/24/22
Cool thanks bro I'm glad we can be faggy together
internet-worthy lay
  06/24/22
republicans were going to dominate midterms and now they're ...
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  06/24/22
Thanks for the hot take Jeb
Glittery love of her life
  06/24/22
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Dashing disgusting digit ratio
  06/24/22
yeah maybe, but also this decision could counteract the impr...
charcoal flickering house kitty cat
  06/24/22
i think you are overestimating the extent to which most peop...
henna really tough guy
  06/24/22
agree dupa
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racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
you may well be right. hard to think of a bigger issue than...
filthy nursing home
  06/24/22
That's a plausible risk, but attention spans are so short.
odious address chad
  06/24/22
good point, SCOTUS should just ignore the law and do what li...
flirting school hissy fit
  06/24/22
(Sotomayor, J.)
Narrow-minded pit sweet tailpipe
  06/24/22
"Hey guys, the way for Republicans to 'win' is to keep ...
grizzly kink-friendly parlor lettuce
  06/24/22
yes
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  06/24/22
Yes
Peach forum
  06/24/22
yes no matter how you feel about abortion it was a shit ruli...
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  06/24/22
Mixed feelings. Abortion is probably one of the issues I'm f...
odious address chad
  06/24/22
I agree. Banning abortion was always a dumb idea. But lib ...
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  06/24/22
The net end result is more criminal mud creatures , so no. ...
Maize Striped Hyena
  06/24/22
It was always on a shaky foundation but given the time that'...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
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  06/24/22
Always on brand!
Judgmental confused degenerate ticket booth
  06/24/22
"On the one hand, ..., on the other hand, ...," li...
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  06/24/22
Right, who cares about the actual law? It's not like SCOTUS ...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
As law, Roe was shit from the beginning, but stare decisis i...
odious address chad
  06/24/22
The Court shouldn't overrule casually but stare decisis isn'...
Glittery love of her life
  06/24/22
btw one thing to consider is that the remedy in correcting a...
Glittery love of her life
  06/24/22
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bistre chapel
  06/24/22
Constitutional text > judge made invention. It's really n...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
It would be easier if Roe had been contrary to text. But it ...
odious address chad
  06/24/22
Sure it is. "Due process" doesn't even plausibly e...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
It's all judge made invention. They're drawing lines where t...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
How does that contradict the text? Not rooted in text and...
odious address chad
  06/24/22
I see, your position is that it's not contrary to the text b...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
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Abnormal Potus
  06/25/22
Oh spare me the "majesty of the law" bs. Con law i...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
"Con law is the "make your own sundae" bar.&q...
flirting school hissy fit
  06/24/22
Marbury v. Madison? You need a supreme court but we should b...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
Tsk tsk, it looks like you have a deficient understanding of...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
You missed my point and went on some tangent about marbury v...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
I got your point and responded with a convincing piece showi...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
It is unclear to me why you think your gripe about arbitrary...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
isn't "opining on when life begins" exactly what y...
Abnormal Potus
  06/24/22
Right sounds like it should be up to legislature. Judges sho...
Dashing disgusting digit ratio
  06/24/22
They craft policy all the time. It's nonsensical to argue ot...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
Yes. and LOL @ this tweet from Neal Katyal. What a fucking p...
jet-lagged state regret
  06/24/22
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Dashing disgusting digit ratio
  06/24/22
pelosi made the same point in her speech today. libs are bet...
Abnormal Potus
  06/24/22
Wtf, that's nuts.
Marvelous mint locale
  06/24/22
he routinely appears on msnbc; he is room-temperature iq
iridescent genital piercing abode
  06/24/22
Is the recent NY decision on firmer ground than Roe? Sure, b...
racy stead nowag
  06/24/22
Lol
Dashing disgusting digit ratio
  06/24/22
"a single sentence" being a fundamental right note...
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  06/24/22
Jeez did that “single sentence” come from the Bi...
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  06/24/22
No. The legal basis for ROE was tenuous, but from a conseque...
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  06/24/22
I don't think that's right. Abortion pills etc. are far more...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
Why do you want to be surrounded by even more mud creatures?...
Maize Striped Hyena
  06/24/22
Enforce border laws then, faggot
flirting school hissy fit
  06/24/22
I'm saying I don't think the decision will make much differe...
bistre chapel
  06/24/22
A in con law. Fuck yes
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bistre chapel
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Brindle tanning salon
  06/24/22
From University of American Samoa, for God's sake?
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  06/24/22
OFC
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  06/24/22
Fuck yeah
Contagious principal's office dysfunction
  06/24/22
Yes, but I wish they really focused on federalism and limits...
Marvelous mint locale
  06/24/22
Legally, obviously. Roe, et al. was bullshit legislating fr...
smoky aromatic garrison
  06/24/22
Yes
swashbuckling dark field pervert
  06/24/22
Yes
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  06/24/22
Posting from Europe, which has much stricter restrictions on...
Fiercely-loyal titillating bawdyhouse
  06/24/22
...
Razzle-dazzle alpha
  06/24/22
Yes -obeezy
Spectacular Balding National Halford
  06/24/22
not a question
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  06/24/22
No. There should be a carveout to allow all BIPOC abortions...
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  06/24/22
Why is this a question? Obviously yes
bearded poppy factory reset button
  06/24/22
Yes. To me, these "natural rights" are places ...
Blue Fantasy-prone Step-uncle's House
  06/24/22
Gay marriage is bullshit
electric filthpig
  06/24/22
Wtf is this drivel
bearded poppy factory reset button
  06/24/22
Gay marriage was a really bad cultural defeat for trads.
misanthropic vivacious messiness lodge
  06/25/22
No. One hand it was a broad decision and like a general pro...
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  06/24/22
"But it lacked an explanation of what is an abortion? I...
Blue Fantasy-prone Step-uncle's House
  06/24/22
I don't think you follow. Here is my argument: Question:...
Frisky gaming laptop
  06/29/22
True, true, states can never regulate anything that isn't ab...
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  06/29/22
I'm the case overturned Roe, said there is no right to abort...
Frisky gaming laptop
  06/29/22
It’s not really unclear at all, but good luck arguing ...
Narrow-minded pit sweet tailpipe
  06/30/22
That’s for the states to decide you idiot.
bearded poppy factory reset button
  06/25/22
Case dealt only with abortion (termination of fetal life) no...
Frisky gaming laptop
  06/29/22
"It was the correct decision because I love bringing mo...
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  06/25/22
from a texas tribune article in april: Prosecutorial disc...
charcoal flickering house kitty cat
  06/25/22
the big city DA's are not gonna prosecute: A group of 83 pr...
charcoal flickering house kitty cat
  06/25/22
big shock. They only exist to prosecute their own police fo...
brass church
  06/25/22
lmao this is how elite shitlib diploma mills like Harvard an...
adventurous toilet seat
  06/30/22
Stupid decision, just prolongs the culture wars. I think Ali...
Splenetic location
  06/30/22
lol "the fallout" is just shitlibs shrieking hyste...
adventurous toilet seat
  06/30/22
No, its a ton of states scrambling to figure it all out. The...
Splenetic location
  06/30/22
Nah we're gonna make murder illegal again
histrionic cumskin den
  06/30/22


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Date: June 24th, 2022 10:56 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle alpha



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Date: June 25th, 2022 2:19 AM
Author: Navy home scourge upon the earth

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740775)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 10:57 AM
Author: Out-of-control lavender plaza corn cake

Of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734150)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 10:59 AM
Author: flirting school hissy fit

I got a B- in conlaw and it was still obvious that Roe was bad law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734168)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:07 AM
Author: saffron pozpig coffee pot



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:08 AM
Author: Swollen puppy

C+ here, agree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734276)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:18 AM
Author: Galvanic learning disabled gaping

trumpkin, maybe you got a B- because you can't see that Roe is definitely good law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734392)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:18 AM
Author: emerald public bath police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734397)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:23 PM
Author: Slap-happy corner

Perhaps given that you’re stupid and got bad grades your opinion is shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735045)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:34 PM
Author: aphrodisiac house-broken background story rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735158)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:38 PM
Author: excitant mental disorder heaven

(maf)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735210)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:01 PM
Author: wild flesh property tank

Shouldn’t Sotomayor have recused herself then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736138)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 7:14 PM
Author: garnet greedy library

And he’s still twice as smart as Sotomayor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44738453)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:32 PM
Author: sienna mischievous spot reading party



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:44 PM
Author: Brindle tanning salon



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Date: June 25th, 2022 2:57 AM
Author: Misunderstood Chest-beating Institution

You didn’t look hard enough at the penumbras broski. Abortions. Gay sex. Contraceptives. All the good stuff is in the penumbras.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740828)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:45 AM
Author: Cream diverse black woman dingle berry

B+, but agree

There are multiple self-defeating fuckups in the opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741167)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 10:59 AM
Author: Crusty Nibblets Shitlib

obviously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734170)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:04 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

No, the 14th Amendment covers a woman's right to decide her own bodily fate.

Next up: women charged with attempted murder for riding bikes while pregnant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734224)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:06 AM
Author: slippery locus

but we're talking re: abortion here, which necessarily entails the bodily fate of another as well - try to keep up, lib

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734254)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:10 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

you're dodging the point / when do fetal rights trump the mother's rights?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734291)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:13 AM
Author: slippery locus

solid point, Moishe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734339)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:14 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

(90 IQ prole goy logic)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734346)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:14 AM
Author: slippery locus

(kike)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734355)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:16 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

Kike Overlord Please

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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:18 AM
Author: adventurous toilet seat

None of the mother's rights are infringed here at all. Not a single one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734393)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:23 AM
Author: slippery locus



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:27 AM
Author: Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard

At best, this is a question that state legislatures should decide.

But from an ethical perspective, the right to not be murdered trumps the right to not be inconvenienced. Men are inconvenienced by an unwanted pregnancy as well, in the form of 18 years of financial servitude. That doesn’t give men the right to order an abortion. So what we’re really talking about is a few months of discomfort. The idea that the “right” to avoid that discomfort gives one the “right” to kill a child is absurd. What’s more absurd is the proposition that such a right is found in the Constitution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734496)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:19 PM
Author: Out-of-control lavender plaza corn cake



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:25 PM
Author: Dashing disgusting digit ratio



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:41 PM
Author: excitant mental disorder heaven



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:02 PM
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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:07 PM
Author: naked low-t menage



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: red area



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:34 PM
Author: wild flesh property tank

“Men are inconvenienced by an unwanted pregnancy as well, in the form of 18 years of financial servitude. That doesn’t give men the right to order an abortion.”

To be fair, this was always retarded, at least in places where abortion is legal. It makes no sense that after a man and a woman accidentally conceive an unwanted fetus, the woman can then opt out of 18 years of financial responsibility via an abortion but the man has no way to opt out. Yet that’s the way it has worked under Roe from 1973 to 2022, and will continue to work in post-Roe blue states and in Canada, Europe, Australia, etc.

To be clear, I don’t think men should ever have the right to “order an abortion,” just that child support should be strictly opt-in in countries/states with legal abortion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735811)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:01 PM
Author: Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard

Women have more choices than that. In every state, she can carry the baby to term and then give it up, no questions asked, and no financial responsibility. I always hoped that some bro would raise an equal protection challenge to a state’s laws allowing a woman, but not a man, to opt out of financial responsibility. As you note, it can still happen in a blue state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737178)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:28 PM
Author: wild flesh property tank

"I always hoped that some bro would raise an equal protection challenge to a state’s laws allowing a woman, but not a man, to opt out of financial responsibility."

Someone already tried this (unsuccessfully):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubay_v._Wells

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739978)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:39 AM
Author: Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard

I have not read the opinion but after reading the wiki article it appears this case did not make the argument that I am making. The plaintiff there argued that a man's right to opt out of child support payments is equivalent to a woman's right to abort. My argument is that women can avail themselves to safe haven laws but men cannot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740701)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 2:31 AM
Author: wild flesh property tank

I don't know how these laws work, but can't the father override the mother's use of safe-haven laws? That is, if the mother tries to dump the child at a safe haven, can't the father claim the child for himself (and demand child support from the mother)?

If so, couldn't the father theoretically also avail himself of safe-haven laws in the rare scenario where it's the mother who is nowhere to be found instead of the father?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740787)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 2:05 PM
Author: Cheese-eating crackhouse gay wizard

I am not a scholar in this area, but at least as of 2003, the right of the father to override was unsettled. See, https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2222&context=hlr.

This, however, is irrelevant to the point. Women can opt out of financial responsibility even after giving birth. Men cannot. That is the equal protection challenge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44766449)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:01 PM
Author: useless outnumbered associate

>the right to not be murdered trumps the right to not be inconvenienced

Not even the Bible acknowledges this right exists for fetuses. In fact, it *refutes* this by allowing a husband to force his wife to get an abortion if he *thinks* it's not his.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736715)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 2:06 PM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

And the Chief Rabbi of Israel has ruled that life begins at birth, not conception

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44766455)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:45 AM
Author: opaque supple piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740707)



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Date: June 27th, 2022 9:05 PM
Author: multi-colored blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44756220)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:20 AM
Author: well-lubricated haunted graveyard point

when do any child rights trump the mother's rights? The mother brought them into the world. Should be able to take them out at any time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734417)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:21 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

when does the fetus become a child with rights?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734431)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:22 AM
Author: slippery locus

why are Americans responsible for the security of Israel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734442)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

we shouldn't be / Israel does not treat America very well and is a bad ally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734455)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:27 AM
Author: slippery locus

are you one of those self-hating kikes? those might actually be the most mentally fucked.

anyway, why do you think a woman has a right to be a whore? do you think women have a fundamental right to be whores, a right (not privilege) that the highest government of the land is duty bound to protect even in competition with the survival of the whore's own child?

why are you kikes all fucked in the head?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734494)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:30 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

one can be a kike but love america more, hth

when was the last time you had sex with a woman without paying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734525)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:38 AM
Author: slippery locus

Moishe,

if you weren't a 5'6 jewfrow, beady eyed, hooked nose, crooked kike, I assure you that you could become intimate with women, without becoming a:

(i) feminist faggot

(ii) porn producer

(iii) sex trafficker

The above (i) through (iii) is just the beginning to a very long list of reasons why every civilization is repulsed by both your physical form and moral influence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734619)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:40 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

answer the question incel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734642)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:21 AM
Author: slippery locus

faggot post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734432)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: motley walnut market headpube

(90 IQ prole goy logic)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734460)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:28 AM
Author: slippery locus

(really high iq faggot kike lib with hiv slowly rotting anus/brain)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734504)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 8:32 AM
Author: lake generalized bond quadroon

Now do vaccines

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44770883)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:04 AM
Author: multi-colored blood rage

Y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734232)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:05 AM
Author: henna really tough guy

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734236)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:07 AM
Author: Khaki trailer park bbw

Yes, follows Constitution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734259)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:08 AM
Author: Glittery love of her life

Yes, not even a question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734277)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:09 AM
Author: exhilarant wagecucks gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734287)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:14 AM
Author: naked low-t menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734353)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:12 AM
Author: Judgmental confused degenerate ticket booth

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734315)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:20 AM
Author: ruddy heady new version resort

taking away rights is never a good thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734418)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:34 PM
Author: aphrodisiac house-broken background story rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735162)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: wild flesh property tank

What if the Supreme Court had ruled in 1973 that there is a constitutional right to rape children

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735625)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 12:46 PM
Author: ruddy heady new version resort

rights are sacred:

for men, it's the right to bear arms

for women, it's the right to bear/not to bear children

fair is fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44765999)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 8:50 AM
Author: ruddy heady new version resort

Take home:

Established and Relied Upon Rights have been trampled upon.

The Establishment Clause has been violated, egregious given the legislative branch now wields power (in this case, to do nothing protecting women's rights) beyond checks and balances.

The legitimacy of the Court has been lost for the first time since Dred Scott.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrFy957l8ko



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44770930)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:23 AM
Author: Offensive double fault

Duh. Roe was absurd legislating from the bench.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734454)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:29 AM
Author: nubile jew meetinghouse

I'm pro-choice and it was the correct decision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734511)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:32 AM
Author: Glittery love of her life

(rare guy with integrity)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734556)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:42 PM
Author: excitant mental disorder heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735263)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:14 PM
Author: wild flesh property tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735597)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:19 PM
Author: gay space mood



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735637)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:45 PM
Author: opaque supple piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735971)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:46 PM
Author: submissive hospital hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735977)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:05 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736170)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:39 PM
Author: Hairraiser puce kitty orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736508)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:14 PM
Author: Marvelous mint locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736792)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:21 PM
Author: bistre chapel

Ditto. [I'm so pro-choice I think _Buck v. Bell_ was correctly decided.]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737351)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:21 PM
Author: Irradiated stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737353)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:29 AM
Author: Lilac Soul-stirring Ape Mad-dog Skullcap

100%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734515)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:29 AM
Author: charcoal flickering house kitty cat

I believe in a right to abortion, but all abortion laws should be at the local level, so I am ok with this decision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734520)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:19 PM
Author: Adulterous box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737789)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:38 AM
Author: internet-worthy lay

I'm pro-life and I'm not thrilled. Maybe I'm just a pussy about politics but I think there's value in stability and would have preferred to continue eroding it over time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734627)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:18 PM
Author: histrionic cumskin den

The entire reason we had a divisive abortion debate at all (unlike other countries) is because of Roe. Other countries aren't nearly as polarized.

It imposed a standard that was well beyond anything that existed in the country and was on the radical edge of laws all across the world for decades.

but yes, you are a giant pussy and a huge fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737783)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:45 PM
Author: internet-worthy lay

Cool thanks bro I'm glad we can be faggy together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737933)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:40 AM
Author: filthy nursing home

republicans were going to dominate midterms and now they're gonna get absolutely crushed. it's not like the country is going to manage to keep the opinion today as law, even if you think it's rightly decided

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734641)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:41 AM
Author: Glittery love of her life

Thanks for the hot take Jeb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734654)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:17 PM
Author: Dashing disgusting digit ratio

Date: June 24th, 2022 11:40 AM

Author: .,.,..;.;..,;,..,.,;.,

republicans were going to dominate midterms and now they're gonna get absolutely crushed. it's not like the country is going to manage to keep the opinion today as law, even if you think it's rightly decided

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734641)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44734979)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:26 PM
Author: charcoal flickering house kitty cat

yeah maybe, but also this decision could counteract the impression/belief among gop voters that gop politicians and their conservative judges do not deliver on their issues

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735070)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:34 PM
Author: henna really tough guy

i think you are overestimating the extent to which most people care about abortion.

the people for whom abortion influences how they vote were already going to show up and vote democrat.

people care a lot more about inflation and the economy in general.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735168)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:20 PM
Author: gay space mood

agree dupa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735647)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:44 PM
Author: Marvelous mint locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735959)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:44 PM
Author: topaz fragrant dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736570)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:49 PM
Author: racy stead nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736616)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 8:42 PM
Author: filthy nursing home

you may well be right. hard to think of a bigger issue than "economy" as far as the aggregate effects on the country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739051)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:35 PM
Author: odious address chad

That's a plausible risk, but attention spans are so short.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735184)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:39 PM
Author: flirting school hissy fit

good point, SCOTUS should just ignore the law and do what libs want

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735222)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:13 PM
Author: Narrow-minded pit sweet tailpipe

(Sotomayor, J.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736786)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:12 PM
Author: grizzly kink-friendly parlor lettuce

"Hey guys, the way for Republicans to 'win' is to keep losing on everything"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737740)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:20 PM
Author: iridescent genital piercing abode

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735008)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:26 PM
Author: Peach forum

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735074)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:29 PM
Author: idiotic cyan sex offender cuck

yes no matter how you feel about abortion it was a shit ruling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735099)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:31 PM
Author: odious address chad

Mixed feelings. Abortion is probably one of the issues I'm farthest left on. I support it as policy, but Roe and Friends were always dogshit conlaw. But I haven't given serious, hard thought to when shitty precedent should be allowed nevertheless stand for stability purposes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735134)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:46 PM
Author: Marvelous mint locale

I agree. Banning abortion was always a dumb idea. But lib judges need to stop being able to legislate shit from the bench.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735983)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:32 PM
Author: Maize Striped Hyena

The net end result is more criminal mud creatures , so no.

But this ruling changes very little on the ground either way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735142)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:33 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

It was always on a shaky foundation but given the time that's passed and what I think was a good compromise (viability and state vs privacy rights), it should have been upheld.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735153)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:36 PM
Author: aphrodisiac house-broken background story rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735189)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:38 PM
Author: Judgmental confused degenerate ticket booth

Always on brand!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735204)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:40 PM
Author: iridescent genital piercing abode

"On the one hand, ..., on the other hand, ...," lisped the faggy law student

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735227)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:41 PM
Author: bistre chapel

Right, who cares about the actual law? It's not like SCOTUS is supposed to be a court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735245)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:44 PM
Author: odious address chad

As law, Roe was shit from the beginning, but stare decisis is law, too. So it's a bit more complicated than you're suggesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735279)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:13 PM
Author: Glittery love of her life

The Court shouldn't overrule casually but stare decisis isn't a rationale for permitting dogshit precedent to stand forever. Roe was such dogshit that even libs with integrity would admit as much, despite their wanting it to stand for political reasons. The ideal case for stare decisis is where you have some issue affecting commerce or contracts or some such and there's two reasonable ways to settle it and a court picks one and a later court thinks the other option might have been more optimal. Ya, don't fuck with the settled expectations there. Roe is a million miles away from that. It was a deformation of our Constitution and twisted our politics, our SCOTUS nomination process etc for 5 fucking decades. Let it burn on the ash-heap of history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736787)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:16 PM
Author: Glittery love of her life

btw one thing to consider is that the remedy in correcting an erroneous interpretation of a statute or some shit is amending the statute, but if it's the Constitution you have to amend the fucking Constitution, which is almost impossible especially right now. So if it's a Constitutional question the Court IMO has more of an obligation to try to "get it right" cuz if it doesn't it's basically subverting democracy by throwing up its own (mistaken) preferences as Constitutional interpretation that requires near-impossible supermajorities to override

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736804)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: bistre chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44738027)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:17 PM
Author: bistre chapel

Constitutional text > judge made invention. It's really not that complicated. _Casey_ is shameful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736812)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:43 PM
Author: odious address chad

It would be easier if Roe had been contrary to text. But it wasn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737034)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:52 PM
Author: bistre chapel

Sure it is. "Due process" doesn't even plausibly encompass a right to privacy, which is not a process right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737118)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:57 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

It's all judge made invention. They're drawing lines where they see fit and they try to square it with some very general language in constitutional text. In Bruen they took a sentence out of the constitution about a right to bear arms to concoct some test by which courts can determine whether a concealed carry regulation in 2022 is constitutional or not. They created a test out of thin air. Is it more firm than Roe's basis. Maybe marginally, but let's not kid ourselves about what they are doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737149)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:07 PM
Author: odious address chad

How does that contradict the text?

Not rooted in text and contrary to text are different things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737222)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:16 PM
Author: bistre chapel

I see, your position is that it's not contrary to the text because the bill of rights doesn't contain the entire text of _Roe_ word for word with "Not" before it.

While that's very fascinating, I don't think it is a productive area of discussion. Thank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737768)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Abnormal Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741153)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:46 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

Oh spare me the "majesty of the law" bs. Con law is the "make your own sundae" bar. There are no right or wrong answers. lol at these fucking losers in black robes who got a C in math and science opining on when life begins, what privacy means, the state's interest in medical regulation etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735295)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:48 PM
Author: flirting school hissy fit

"Con law is the "make your own sundae" bar."

If only we could trace this problem back to one particularly bad ruling....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735323)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:52 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

Marbury v. Madison? You need a supreme court but we should be more honest about what they are. They are essentially a super-legislature that utilizes legal doctrines, political philosophies, and policy preferences to render decisions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735373)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:09 PM
Author: bistre chapel

Tsk tsk, it looks like you have a deficient understanding of Marbury v. Madison, too.

In reality pre-Marshall Court was already reviewing statutes, and doing much else besides; Marbury did not alter the nature of judicial review. The historiography of the fable you advert to = Marshall got promoted to bold hero and savior in order to justify the depredatory expansions of the New Deal. See https://brewminate.com/the-supreme-court-before-john-marshall/

* even prior to Marbury, state and federal courts routinely ruled on state legislation’s validity as it regarded judiciary matters (as one example, legislation impacting jury trials)

* the paper summarizes the early case history as focusing on “policing boundaries” between governmental entities with regard to judicial questions

* there was debate about the court’s power to invalidate legislation when there was a plausible argument for constitutionality [EOM]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735548)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:30 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

You missed my point and went on some tangent about marbury v. madison. I brought the case up as a joke and to illustrate that the court has always been the "make your own sundae" bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735756)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:31 PM
Author: bistre chapel

I got your point and responded with a convincing piece showing that your understanding of Marbury is wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735774)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:50 PM
Author: bistre chapel

It is unclear to me why you think your gripe about arbitrary rule by judges is a good defense of a results-driven legislate from the bench decision like _Roe._

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735347)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:11 PM
Author: Abnormal Potus

isn't "opining on when life begins" exactly what you are suggesting with the whole "viability" nonsense. this seems much more like judges staying in their lane, not trying to be scientists or doctors and just saying, look, this isnt in the constitution, let the states figure out what they want to do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735562)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:14 PM
Author: Dashing disgusting digit ratio

Right sounds like it should be up to legislature. Judges shouldn’t be in the business of crafting policy, glad we agree on that. I’m a lib but nice to agree with a conservative like you on something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735594)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:43 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

They craft policy all the time. It's nonsensical to argue otherwise. You think a sentence in the constitution about the right to bear arms gives enough guidance to the Court on whether a particular gun control regulation in 2022 is constitutional or not? Of course not. They concocted a test based on a mix of political and policy preferences and legal doctrines and overrode a state legislature.

I doubt the conservative justices would take the same approach they did to the Second Amendment as the Emoluments Clause. Most would say the Emoluments Clause is dead law and incapable of application in modern times (I would agree). But if you wanted to stick it Trump, you could definitely breathe life into that clause by applying textual analysis and researching its legislative history. You can then concoct a neat little test and say that Trump was in violation.

The Supreme Court is a super-legislature that renders decisions based on a mix of political preferences and legal doctrines. It's true of the liberal and conservative justices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735944)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:43 PM
Author: jet-lagged state regret

Yes. and LOL @ this tweet from Neal Katyal. What a fucking partisan hack. The right to guns is explicitly in the Constitution; abortion never was. Imagine paying $300K to be taught this ...

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1539988629585543169

Gonna be very weird if Supreme Court ends a constitutional right to obtain an abortion next week, saying it should be left to the States to decide, right after it just imposed a constitutional right to concealed carry of firearms, saying it cannot be left to the States to decide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735275)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:15 PM
Author: Dashing disgusting digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735599)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:16 PM
Author: Abnormal Potus

pelosi made the same point in her speech today. libs are betting on the constitutional illiteracy of the public and its hard to say they are wrong to do so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735616)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:02 PM
Author: Marvelous mint locale

Wtf, that's nuts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736149)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:09 PM
Author: iridescent genital piercing abode

he routinely appears on msnbc; he is room-temperature iq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736212)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:20 PM
Author: racy stead nowag

Is the recent NY decision on firmer ground than Roe? Sure, but only marginally. The Court took a single sentence in the Constitution about a right to bear arms to concoct some test whole cloth to determine whether a certain handgun regulation in 2022 is constitutional or not. They then overrode a state legislature's regulation. As I noted in a post above the Supreme Court makes decisions based on a mix of political and policy preferences and legal doctrines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736305)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 4:19 PM
Author: Dashing disgusting digit ratio

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737332)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:28 PM
Author: histrionic cumskin den

"a single sentence" being a fundamental right noted as a fundamental right contemporaneous with the drafting of the document and ever since?

Your other posts ITT are smart (and honest) but don't go retard on us now pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737845)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:49 PM
Author: Concupiscible casino

Jeez did that “single sentence” come from the Bill of motherfucking Rights?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737956)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:50 PM
Author: Translucent thriller shrine community account

No. The legal basis for ROE was tenuous, but from a consequentialist perspective they made a huge mistake in overturning it. They should have let it stand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735352)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:52 PM
Author: bistre chapel

I don't think that's right. Abortion pills etc. are far more efficient these days, and you don't know how people will react in response to Roe being overturned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735368)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: Maize Striped Hyena

Why do you want to be surrounded by even more mud creatures? Aren’t you tired of all the weird nyc sights and smells?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735624)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:05 PM
Author: flirting school hissy fit

Enforce border laws then, faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736169)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:16 PM
Author: bistre chapel

I'm saying I don't think the decision will make much difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736808)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 12:53 PM
Author: Hairraiser puce kitty orchestra pit

A in con law. Fuck yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735376)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: bistre chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735454)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:07 PM
Author: Brindle tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736182)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:10 PM
Author: iridescent genital piercing abode

From University of American Samoa, for God's sake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736221)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:16 PM
Author: Irate brunch

OFC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735612)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:23 PM
Author: Contagious principal's office dysfunction

Fuck yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735676)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 1:45 PM
Author: Marvelous mint locale

Yes, but I wish they really focused on federalism and limits of federal government power as the reasoning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44735966)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:08 PM
Author: smoky aromatic garrison

Legally, obviously. Roe, et al. was bullshit legislating from the bench, so I'm glad SCOTUS put an end to it. Read Casey, O'Connor was just making shit up. As far as society is concerned, who fucking knows. Probably bad since poor proles will now have more kids out of wedlock, but that's a problem for the legislature to deal with, not courts/SCOTUS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736193)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:10 PM
Author: swashbuckling dark field pervert

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736219)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:11 PM
Author: light cowardly jap

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736232)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:43 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal titillating bawdyhouse

Posting from Europe, which has much stricter restrictions on abortion than the US, something the pro rights people always conveniently ignore when they proclaim how enlightened and progressive Europe is.

SC's recent overturn is constitutionally more correct. And this may begin the process of getting people to shut the fuck up about abortion. Blue states will have them, red states will restrict them, everyone gets what they want to some degree.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736563)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 2:51 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736632)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:00 PM
Author: Spectacular Balding National Halford

Yes

-obeezy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736707)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: hideous church building

not a question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44736755)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 5:11 PM
Author: grizzly kink-friendly parlor lettuce

No. There should be a carveout to allow all BIPOC abortions (pre- and post-birth).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44737730)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 8:09 PM
Author: bearded poppy factory reset button

Why is this a question?

Obviously yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44738787)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 9:27 PM
Author: Blue Fantasy-prone Step-uncle's House

Yes.

To me, these "natural rights" are places where the court takes a moral stand on legally shaky ground to "advance" the nation forward.

Gay marriage is a good example of that - the country was quasi-divided about gay marriage, but we were clearly marching in that direction, so the court just ruled that way and spared us the arguing and division. 5 years later and only like 15% of people oppose gay marriage and they don't even really care.

Contrast that with Roe - 50 years later and the country is more pro life than ever, and people really fucking care. I think the court thought science would show abortion was chill and everyone would accpt it, instead people get an early sonograms and see that the "fetus" looks like a baby...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739322)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 9:32 PM
Author: electric filthpig

Gay marriage is bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739349)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:08 PM
Author: bearded poppy factory reset button

Wtf is this drivel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739862)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 2:13 AM
Author: misanthropic vivacious messiness lodge

Gay marriage was a really bad cultural defeat for trads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740767)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:30 PM
Author: Frisky gaming laptop

No. One hand it was a broad decision and like a general pronouncement. But it lacked an explanation of what is an abortion? Is the morning after pill protected or not--the decision is unclear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44739985)



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Date: June 24th, 2022 11:39 PM
Author: Blue Fantasy-prone Step-uncle's House

"But it lacked an explanation of what is an abortion? Is the morning after pill protected or not--the decision is unclear."

This shows you lack understanding of the issue.

The decision says there is no constitutional right to an abortion - so it doesn't fucking matter what an abortion is. It is completely irrelevant.

The states are free to go ahead and decide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740022)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 11:08 AM
Author: Frisky gaming laptop

I don't think you follow. Here is my argument:

Question: can the states ban the morning after pill?

Rule: There is no constitutional right to abortion but there is a constitutional right to contraception and fundamental bodily autonomy not affecting an unborn fetus.

Analysis: Is the morning after pill an abortion? No, abortion requires the termination of an unborn fetus. A fertilized ovum or zygote is not a fetus until organs, verterbrate and a brain is formed, generally after 8 weeks. The Constitution confers a fundamental right to contraception and bodily autonomy absent the termination of an unborn fetus. The states cannot ban use of the morning after pill to destroy a fertilized ovum or zygote before it is a fetus at 8 weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44765350)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 12:41 PM
Author: internet-worthy lay

True, true, states can never regulate anything that isn't abortion.......

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44765980)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 1:53 PM
Author: Frisky gaming laptop

I'm the case overturned Roe, said there is no right to abortion but said other precedents stand because the difference is abortion destroys "fetal life".

Again, if all other cases and law stands except for the right to abort fetal life, you would presume morning after pill is still Constitutionally protected.

I'm saying the decision is really unclear about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44766402)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 8:28 AM
Author: Narrow-minded pit sweet tailpipe

It’s not really unclear at all, but good luck arguing that case for the libs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44770874)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 1:42 AM
Author: bearded poppy factory reset button

That’s for the states to decide you idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740704)



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Date: June 29th, 2022 11:11 AM
Author: Frisky gaming laptop

Case dealt only with abortion (termination of fetal life) not a fertilized ovum or zygote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44765374)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 2:17 AM
Author: alcoholic demanding theatre feces

"It was the correct decision because I love bringing more bulkwild violent nigga apes into the world!" -Jim Goy (future murder victim)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44740774)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:31 AM
Author: charcoal flickering house kitty cat

from a texas tribune article in april:

Prosecutorial discretion

Many abortion rights advocates talk about the “two Americas” that would be created if the Supreme Court allows states to create their own abortion restrictions. About half of all states likely would ban abortion to some degree, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

But even within Texas, there may be two distinct realities. Five Texas district attorneys — from Dallas, Travis, Bexar, Nueces and Fort Bend counties — have publicly promised that they will not pursue abortion-related criminal charges if Roe v. Wade is overturned. Others are expected to quietly decline to take these cases.

Travis County District Attorney José Garza said he does not believe his office should be involved in criminalizing personal medical decisions between a pregnant person and their doctor.

“We are very focused on holding accountable people who commit acts of violence in our community,” he said. “Pulling resources away from that to focus on this kind of case would be reckless and endanger the safety of our community.”

In other jurisdictions, though, district attorneys may take an opposite approach, either due to personal anti-abortion leanings or political pressure.

Owen, who authored a report on abortion-related criminalization, said there’s a useful foreshadowing in how voter fraud cases have played out in recent years.

“These cases don’t get prosecuted evenly across the state,” she said. “They get prosecuted selectively, often in counties where there’s a district attorney’s race going on. … It’s really up to the discretion of the particular district attorney.”

Prosecutorial discretion gives district attorneys a lot of power in their own jurisdiction — power to take cases or not, to decide what charges to present and to choose how to frame evidence to the grand jury.

There’s not much oversight of how prosecutors wield that discretion, said Charles “Rocky” Rhodes, a professor at South Texas College of Law Houston.

“Except that there’s always political checks on them for failing to prosecute crimes that their citizens want prosecuted,” he said. “That’s how you get defeated next time you run for district attorney.”

But state Rep. Briscoe Cain, R-Deer Park, is planning to introduce legislation that could radically change that balance of power.

In a letter sent to abortion-funding nonprofits last month, Cain said he intends to introduce legislation that would allow district attorneys to prosecute abortion-related cases outside their home jurisdiction “when the local district attorney fails or refuses to do so.”

Garza, the Travis County district attorney, said Cain’s statements don’t change his thinking on these cases.

“All I can say is that the courts and the state constitution have been very clear that elected district attorneys have sole criminal jurisdictions in their community,” he said.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741137)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:37 AM
Author: charcoal flickering house kitty cat

the big city DA's are not gonna prosecute:

A group of 83 prosecutors — including those in states where a “trigger ban” will take effect after Roe v. Wade was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court — said they will not file charges against women seeking abortions and medical professionals who provide the procedures.

The prosecutors, along with the nonprofit group Fair and Just Prosecution, released the joint statement hours after the Supreme Court made its decision on Friday to overturn the landmark decision and restrict abortions in 26 states.

“Not all of us agree on a personal or moral level on the issue of abortion,” according to the joint statement released by the 83 prosecutors. “But we stand together in our firm belief that prosecutors have a responsibility to refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions. As such, we decline to use our offices’ resources to criminalize reproductive health decisions and commit to exercise our well-settled discretion and refrain from prosecuting those who seek, provide, or support abortions.”

Roe v Wade protest

Prosecutors across the country pledged not to prosecute women seeking abortion or abortion providers following the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.

AP

Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald

Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald was one of six signers of the pledge from Michigan.

AP

Jose Garza

Texas Travis County District Attorney José Garza signed the pledge despite serving in a state with a “trigger law.”

AP

The prosecutors emphasized how the ban would disproportionately harm victims of human trafficking, rape, incest and domestic violence and force women to carry an unwanted pregnancy.

They added criminalizing abortion not only would end safe abortions, but also would impede medical professionals and law enforcement from performing their jobs and protecting victims.

SEE ALSO

Houston clinic

Houston clinic suspending abortions amid overturning of Roe v. Wade

Among the group of prosecutors who signed the pledge include Travis County District Attorney José Garza in Texas, who urged women to continue to seek medical help.

Texas is among 13 states that would automatically ban abortion in the first and second trimesters within 30 days of the Supreme Court’s decision.

“While I am aware that our state’s ‘trigger law’ goes into effect in 30 days, making performing an abortion a felony, I will not force women into the shadows, especially when they need life-saving medical care,” Garza said in a statement. “No matter what the law says, I implore you: please, seek medical help if you need it. A prosecutor’s job is to protect public safety, and to enforce this law will not only fail to promote or protect public safety but will also lead to more harm.”

Six prosecutors in Michigan– Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, Ingham County Prosecutor Carol Siemon, Marquette County Prosecutor Matthew Wiese, Washtenaw County Prosecutor Eli Savit, Kalamazoo County Prosecutor Jeffrey Getting and Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton– also signed the pledge.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741148)



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Date: June 25th, 2022 8:54 AM
Author: brass church

big shock. They only exist to prosecute their own police forces now. If a cop or cops wife has an abortion they’d probably form an abortion prosecution task force. But realistically they don’t prosecute looting, theft, rioting, carjackings, “youth crime”, assault, vandalism, and they never call for guns to be removed from inner city citizenry. I really thought they’d step up and prosecute once abortion was outlawed though!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44741187)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 3:00 PM
Author: adventurous toilet seat

lmao this is how elite shitlib diploma mills like Harvard and Georgetown will teach "the law" on abortion to 1Ls this fall. They're not going to suggest that anyone read the caselaw or discuss the Court's reasoning. They're just going to spitball a bunch of scattershot justifications prosecutors can invoke to avoid prosecuting these cases, paying no mind to the fact that State AGs are elected officials and so are governors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44773047)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 8:39 AM
Author: Splenetic location

Stupid decision, just prolongs the culture wars. I think Alito saying otherwise is total BS. Everyone normal had accepted it. He just threw gasoline onto what was at best the remnants of what was once a giant fire. Now we get to deal with the fallout again for the next decades while we likely end at a similar status quo. And for what? To autistically fix some penumbras language that had already been limited to this one issue? Great…

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44770899)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: adventurous toilet seat

lol "the fallout" is just shitlibs shrieking hysterically while doing nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44773087)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 4:58 PM
Author: Splenetic location

No, its a ton of states scrambling to figure it all out. There will be years of litigation, renewed soul searching etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44774203)



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Date: June 30th, 2022 5:04 PM
Author: histrionic cumskin den

Nah we're gonna make murder illegal again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5137939&forum_id=2#44774230)