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Just accepted at Sullivan, accepting praise and taking questions

Please feel free to tell me how awesome/prestigious I am and...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
dinged by wachtell and cravath?
loafer
  10/27/06
Yes. Dinged by both. Not sure I would have chosen Wachtell. ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
yeah right
!error 428: unknown ip!
  10/27/06
"yeah right" to what?
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
you would have chosen either over sullivan.
loafer
  10/27/06
This is certainly possible. I indicated that I would have pr...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
Whatever, S&C is the most famous from a historic perspec...
Peenicus
  10/29/06
http://www.sullcrom.com/lawyers/detail.aspx?attorney=632
morgancity
  10/27/06
Please elaborate.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
He posted here.
Tom Van Allen
  10/27/06
my opinion of sullcrom just dropped through the floor
tankengine
  10/27/06
Congratulations!
Mason27
  10/27/06
Great post, very accurate I think. And why do Sullivan pe...
honk if you are nigger
  10/27/06
S&C does not make associates cancel vacations. They ...
Patrick Hamm's drippy dick
  04/15/08
this doesn't sound so bad. there are millions (ok, maybe no...
markflynn
  10/27/06
fantastic post
LeiTTTer
  10/27/06
Noted and printed. I actually don't think you are crazy. ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
"But I do think you are misguided if you believe that t...
morgancity
  10/28/06
i stopped reading at escutcheon. i don't like words that ca...
Vic Tayback's Sweaty T-Shirt
  10/28/06
"And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you.&quo...
Esaias
  10/28/06
lurvely. odd spell for smell though.
Calm
  10/28/06
180
LaBomba
  10/28/06
One of the greatest xoxo posts ever; perfect, canonical, dev...
rk982
  10/28/06
But is it any better elsewhere in the V10?
shimano
  10/28/06
No. If you read this as a post about S&C you're badly m...
rk982
  10/29/06
But the post doesn't apply to Cravath, which doesn't take li...
*.*.*
  10/29/06
Freudian typo.
rk982
  10/30/06
a half-notch below, i think; not quite as well written or as...
loafer
  10/29/06
LInk?
  10/29/06
LOVE IT
Gene Parmesan
  10/28/06
Mostly true, though S&C associates who've managed to sti...
PrestigeWhore
  10/29/06
Juuuuuuuuust in case: Date: October 27th, 2006 8:17 PM A...
MindTheGap76 (is semi-retired)
  10/29/06
did you go in house this May to a major IBank? If so, I thin...
MonkeyFace
  10/29/06
this is my favorite xo post EVAH
Jim Anchower, Esq.
  07/21/07
MASON 27 is a DEMI-GOD.
lawcamper
  09/26/07
someone mentioned this in the WOW post, thought i'd bump
          
  04/15/08
i wonder what became of sullcrom_dot_com chances he's sti...
HNIC Obama\'s slaveselling Kenyan ancestors
  05/30/08
Bump for the summers.
Lathamite
  06/04/08
I pwn3d the hell out of a shitty brief written by two S&...
DJ Khaled
  10/27/06
If it's any consolation, you probably didn't pwn them. You'r...
honk if you are nigger
  10/27/06
Guess the judge was TTT too.
DJ Khaled
  10/28/06
what the hell is sullivan?
$9 Beer Night
  09/26/07
What was your hardest interview question? Also, oblig...
[officially retired from this disgusting hellhole]
  10/27/06
I didn't encounter any hard interview questions at any firm ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
LOL Lawyers are tards
[officially retired from this disgusting hellhole]
  10/27/06
bankers have to ask questions because they recruit history a...
___________
  10/27/06
law school doesnt teach you anything about the practice of l...
valen2
  10/27/06
Yes, but how well you are able to learn and do in law school...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
I doubt this. Everyone knows the legal doctrine and can a...
Mr.Tubby
  10/27/06
List the aspects of your personality that you believe were p...
Subotai, thief and archer
  10/27/06
I am a very cool and sociable person. I found that interview...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
Well, its obvious you're cool and sociable.
DarthLeiter
  10/27/06
definitely. what part of the interview did you most show off...
.... ............. .. ...........
  10/27/06
The whole thing.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
LOL Macho always setting people straight.
Summa
  10/29/06
what aspects of the prestige of Sullivan will get you throug...
Alpha Dog
  10/27/06
The prestigious aspects....duh.
Subotai, thief and archer
  10/27/06
Credited. But more to the point, there is no chance I am ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
"Semi-regular 70 hour weeks will likely suck a lot, but...
Alpha Dog
  10/27/06
"bottom of the finance profession" 143
donaldt
  10/27/06
except that it's true.
tankengine
  10/27/06
except that it isn't. You aren't in the finance profession ...
WhateverDood
  10/27/06
True corporate lawyers have to deal with the fact that they ...
DarthLeiter
  10/27/06
"bottom of the finance profession" This is funn...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
DOCREVIEWPWN3D!!! Have fun being the most junior person o...
morgancity
  10/27/06
so then what are these great exit options? I understand cor...
Alpha Dog
  10/27/06
you'll be doing lots of glamorous work as a 1st year on a se...
tankengine
  10/27/06
Who said anything about glamorous work?
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
"why go into debt just to be doing less glamorous finan...
tankengine
  10/27/06
Work on reading comprehension. I said that the financial ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
Sullivan for lit?
Gene Parmesan
  10/27/06
Yep. They're very good at the lit I think I want to do, and ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
You will work 80 hours a week at Sullivan, sometimes 90, som...
DarthLeiter
  10/27/06
"and will essentially have the freedom to choose whatev...
2elle
  10/27/06
gotta pay your dues, like everyone else, just that high-end ...
donaldt
  10/27/06
"Why not just figure out where you want to be and go th...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
I assume that if someone can get a job at Sullivan that same...
2elle
  10/27/06
Boutique firm is one option. In-house i another option. Just...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
so did you bother applying to any of these options? did the...
2elle
  10/27/06
shh, don't make him think. the biglaw lemming herd pauses fo...
LeiTTTer
  10/27/06
First, let's take a step back. This is for a summer position...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
"I assume that if someone can get a job at Sullivan tha...
MagisterLudi
  10/27/06
"I assume that if someone can get a job at Sullivan tha...
Gene Parmesan
  10/27/06
A-1 Bold.
WhateverDood
  10/27/06
overly so
loafer
  10/27/06
Will this job worsen or improve your self-esteem issues?
Great Teachar Onizuka
  10/27/06
It has improved my self-esteem. But it may well worsen my se...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
that's a refreshingly honest answer. good luck and i'm sure ...
Great Teachar Onizuka
  10/27/06
Thanks.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
NYC?
Moderately Bad Person
  10/27/06
Yes, NYC.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
I think this guy is flame. Look at how everyone is just tea...
DarthLeiter
  10/27/06
either that, or he's dumb.
tankengine
  10/27/06
yeah it's strange. by most traditional xoxo standards he is ...
loafer
  10/29/06
yeah i have a question
QuickQuestion
  10/27/06
Shoot.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
1. where did you go to law school (range?) 2. what was your...
QuickQuestion
  10/27/06
Do not want to give out any personal information. My scho...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
actually, i didnt know. im not very interested, and only ask...
QuickQuestion
  10/27/06
the prospect of working with people like you makes me want t...
durhambd
  10/27/06
Cool. Look forward to working with you.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
Should I take Cravath over Sullcrom? Do you perceive any dif...
firm
  10/27/06
Your assessment is probably accurate. Cravath historically d...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
...
loafer
  10/27/06
Dinged at Cadwalader?
kundu
  10/27/06
Laughable.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
the fact that you seem to think I was serious is disturbing...
kundu
  10/27/06
Did you get an offer from Davis Polk and would you have take...
firm
  10/27/06
I did, and as I chose not to take it, no. I didn't buy th...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
Excellent choice.
Mexico
  10/27/06
S&C is a TTT in decline... sorry. Wouldn't be surpris...
faceless
  10/27/06
if anything it is cravath that is in decline relative to S&a...
loafer
  10/27/06
True.
faceless
  10/27/06
whats the pay package like? list base, any bonuses that y...
David Carr
  10/27/06
How does it make you feel to be in the presence of someone o...
Anonymoose
  10/27/06
A little bit intimidated, to be honest. But this intimida...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/27/06
TITCR
Anonymoose
  10/27/06
do you feel the same way in the presence of someone at wacht...
loafer
  10/28/06
Being intimidated in the presence of somebody more prestigio...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
but i wasn't talking to you
loafer
  10/28/06
tell us more about the decision
BigTuna
  10/27/06
I was only seriously considering DPW and Cleary. Partner ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
mildly suspicious this is flame
shimano
  10/28/06
it's the ghost of aaron nagano
tankengine
  10/28/06
Why do you say that? What about my response do you disagree ...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
do the mountains make you think of Busch beer? i don't thin...
Vic Tayback's Sweaty T-Shirt
  10/28/06
I'm a Natty Lite man, myself, so it doesn't bother me.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
are you 16?
Vic Tayback's Sweaty T-Shirt
  10/28/06
no, that sounds legit to me. so between DPW and S&C you...
BigTuna
  10/28/06
Correct. That's what I was able to do. But I realize that no...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
yeah, i agree with you that finding "your own" met...
BigTuna
  10/28/06
It sounds like you are going about things better than most p...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
thanks, i wish you luck. i'm still debating, but maybe i'll ...
BigTuna
  10/28/06
"If I had one piece of advice that I would stress over ...
PrestigeWhore
  10/28/06
so very credited. abuse is never desirable.
loafer
  10/29/06
Abuse is definitely a huge drawback. Thing is, the great maj...
Mexico
  10/29/06
Are you a virgin?
Incorrect
  10/28/06
I suppose this is where the tough-guy poster (me) is suppose...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
Congratulations on that.
Incorrect
  10/28/06
Thanks. I feel good about it.
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
"With another person" what an odd way to phrase...
loafer
  10/28/06
Yeah. Pretty vague. According to Singer, apes are persons....
David Krieg
  10/28/06
what made you decide to go the Biglaw route and not non-prof...
Advocate
  10/28/06
I am actually quite interested in non-profit or public inter...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
How is working for Sullivan going to prepare you for the ACL...
Advocate
  10/28/06
First of all, I am doing litigation, not corporate. Learn...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
"Presumably working on securities litigation will help ...
loafer
  10/29/06
awful analogy
any major dood
  09/26/07
...
this is the
  10/28/06
Golman Sachs benefits America and the world far more than th...
this is the
  10/28/06
? Edit: now, come on, you can't really believe this. This...
QuickQuestion
  10/28/06
NAMBLA isn't really helping America. And I don't want to hea...
this is the
  10/30/06
I'm glad you told me it's Goldman. I really thought it was G...
this is the
  10/30/06
they make more money, but the ACLU's victories create a lot ...
loafer
  10/28/06
Profound.
David Krieg
  10/29/06
this is getting ridiculous. could someone give some real ...
shimano
  10/28/06
It won't. But I wouldn't go to any of those places to be a ...
morgancity
  10/28/06
oh ok. that "congratulations!" post freaked me out
shimano
  10/28/06
Well, it's probably accurate. It'd be accurate at the other...
morgancity
  10/28/06
and for corporate?
shimano
  10/28/06
For corporate, I actually think there's a difference in the ...
morgancity
  10/28/06
What are these 15-20 firms?
MagisterLudi
  10/28/06
Let's see. Off the top of my head, I think youre better off...
morgancity
  10/28/06
"Quinn Emmanuel" Maybe. Certainly very good lit...
sullcrom_dot_com
  10/28/06
"""Williams & Connolly, Covington, Gibson...
Gene Parmesan
  10/28/06
Does W&C even have an appellate specialty?
morgancity
  10/28/06
it's primarily a trial place. which accounts for only a sma...
Gene Parmesan
  10/29/06
What's prestigious about being a 5th year associate who's ne...
morgancity
  10/29/06
Hey, suit yourself. You'll never be a great litigator, but ...
morgancity
  10/28/06
Paul Weiss has a rep of being powerhouse litigators
RangerRick
  10/29/06
In the real world, all of the places I listed have that repu...
morgancity
  10/29/06
You are going to fit in so well at S&C
kundu
  10/29/06
If it helps, I summered at S&C and hated it, so much tha...
BIGLAW2b
  10/29/06
You mentioned hours being a concern -- did you end up going ...
firm
  10/29/06
Wonder how this dude is doing.
Curt Schilling, MVP
  05/22/07
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=465648&mc=16...
Hazelrah
  07/21/07


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Date: October 27th, 2006 4:11 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Please feel free to tell me how awesome/prestigious I am and/or how jealous of my awesomeness/prestige you are.

Alternatively, I will take questions about the S&C recruiting process or my choice to accept there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871125)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:37 PM
Author: loafer

dinged by wachtell and cravath?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871228)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Yes. Dinged by both. Not sure I would have chosen Wachtell. Would have been tough to turn down Cravath.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871313)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:57 PM
Author: !error 428: unknown ip!

yeah right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871342)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

"yeah right" to what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871368)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:35 PM
Author: loafer

you would have chosen either over sullivan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871491)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:52 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

This is certainly possible. I indicated that I would have probably chosen Cravath over S&C. As for Wachtell, the hours and QOL hit represent a meaningful difference - and one I would have had to think about seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871549)





Date: October 29th, 2006 4:21 AM
Author: Peenicus

Whatever, S&C is the most famous from a historic perspective. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6879492)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:46 PM
Author: morgancity (REIGNOFTERRORPWN3D!!!)

http://www.sullcrom.com/lawyers/detail.aspx?attorney=632

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871278)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Please elaborate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871310)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:58 PM
Author: Tom Van Allen

He posted here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871347)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:03 PM
Author: tankengine

my opinion of sullcrom just dropped through the floor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871378)





Date: October 27th, 2006 8:17 PM
Author: Mason27
Subject: Congratulations!

Based on your reaction to getting the offer, this is probably the best thing that could have hever appened to you. I encourage you to enjoy the summer and take accept their offer as nothing in the world will cure you of your prestige obsession quicker than some time at S&C.

During orientation, they'll give you an S&C shoulderbag and you'll wear it with the S&C logo facing outward so any other commuters in the know can see it and you'll just know that they're either impressed or envious. And that will make you happy and proud. And then you'll try to figure out the best way to ensure that you're sworn in as soon as possible after receiving your bar results because then you'll get the box full of business cards that say "Sullivan & Cromwell LLP" with your actual name underneath. You'll be giddy at the thought of casually passing one (mid-conversation) to some acquaintance from undergrad you've lost touch with.

You'll start working and you'll notice that there are an awful lot of "Farewell" emails and someone will tell you that the farewell emails can only contain 4 names at a time per firm policy because the partners decided sometime in 2004 that emails indicating 6 or 7 people were leaving the firm in a two week period might cause some unhelpful whispering. You'll talk to a midlevel associate who is super-psyched to work at S&C and you'll find out that he (not a lot of shes) lateralled from some firm that frankly you would never have considered working for (too TTT for you). When you get back to your office, this will trouble you a bit, you'll wonder if your own escutcheon is being blemished by the presence of this type of person (i.e., non-elite) at your S&C. But that feeling will pass as you'll find plenty of other like-minded first years who equally relish the prestige as you you head for a drink at Ulysses (shoulderbag logo facing outward).

Then you'll get staffed on your first big deal and you'll work late night after late night and then on the weekend and on to the next weekend and then on to the weekend when you had planned to go to a friend's wedding. And you won't go because the work has to get done and you have dues to pay (or so you'll be told). You'll get a little bit upset about this turn of events, but the arrival of those business cards will soften the blow.

You'll meet more and more laterals from firms that you would never work for (some you've never even heard of). You'll note in the farewell emails that some of the junior and midlevel associates leaving S&C are going to those very same firms. Survival of the fittest you'll say. But late at night, when the air conditioning clicks down from a barely perceptible hissing sound to complete silence, these things will bother you. But you'll tell yourself you're just tired and frustrated and anyway you have work to do.

You'll have lunch with Rodge and he'll tell you that business is good and that he's listening to associates' concerns about quality of life issues. You'll notice that some of the senior associates visibly roll their eyes at each other when this comes up, but you won't mind that much because, really, what other firm's managing partner regulalry has lunch with associates to hear their concerns (and takes notes!)

A few months will pass, a few marathon deals will happen, you'll have to re-schedule a vacation but you'll tell yourself that that is to be expected.

About a year in, a couple of your classmates will crack and start talking about how much the job sucks. They'll very likely have gone to Yale Law School. You'll joke that they couldn't hack it when they leave the firm for a clerkship, or an academic position or to go to a firm in another city.

Things will go on in this pattern and you'll notice the fact that you're working a lot harder than your friends who went to "peer" firms. At first you'll be proud of this and brag about it, but after a while you'll find yourself downplaying it. At least when you have the time to get out and socialize with your law school friends.

Something will happen: a partner will scream at you, a senior associate gunning for partner will blame you for her mistake, the partner will tell you that the trip to Europe your spouse meticulously planned just won't be able to happen (he'll be really sorry and will tell you a funny story about the exotic vacation he missed or cut short). Doesn't matter what, but you'll get really pissed and you'll start to take some of the 4 or 5 calls from headhunters that you'll receive every day at that point (vultures spell blood). They'll give you the names of firms that you laughed on in the days when you posted on the XOXO board, but you'll find yourself looking into them. The headhunter will encourage to just listen to their offer and you'll consider doing so. But you won't leave because then you'd have to give up your business cards. And stop wearing the shoulder bag. And the bonus is only x months away so you'll start thinking about it then.

Until one day you won't be able to take it any more and you'll find yourself arranging to meet with people from a lightly regarded firm for a position in their New York office. And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you.

And you don't believe any of this will happen, but I suggest you print this out and keep it in the top desk of your drawer so late at night when you're feeling sorry for yourself, you can add to the list of reasons to be miserable this fact: someone told you this was going to happen and you thought that person was crazy.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872237)





Date: October 27th, 2006 8:37 PM
Author: honk if you are nigger

Great post, very accurate I think.

And why do Sullivan people always carry those bags around? Is it required or something?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872343)





Date: April 15th, 2008 7:27 PM
Author: Patrick Hamm's drippy dick

S&C does not make associates cancel vacations.

They may abuse associates, but even they have their limits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#9633655)





Date: October 27th, 2006 9:18 PM
Author: markflynn

this doesn't sound so bad. there are millions (ok, maybe not millions, thousands) of people going through the same experience. at least this guy has some prestige that seems truly to make him happy and isn't in it just for the money.

also, PSA: many people initially love their jobs, then hate their jobs and then leave them. lawyers are not special.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872625)





Date: October 27th, 2006 9:27 PM
Author: LeiTTTer ("ah yes, the bob loblaw law blog")

fantastic post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872691)





Date: October 27th, 2006 10:42 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Noted and printed.

I actually don't think you are crazy. But I do think you are misguided if you believe that the same progression of misery would not just as likely befall me at any other big law firm. And as you mention, when it does, the fact that I endured that misery at a firm as well regarded as S&C will leave me with plenty of options when deciding where to go to dry my eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873179)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:31 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

"But I do think you are misguided if you believe that the same progression of misery would not just as likely befall me at any other big law firm. "

tiNtcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875567)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:47 AM
Author: Vic Tayback's Sweaty T-Shirt

i stopped reading at escutcheon. i don't like words that can be interpreted as either a coat of arms or a shiny shield for a shower implement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874084)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:30 AM
Author: Esaias

"And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you."

i think i'll be OK. i'd never hang out with anyone who posts here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874343)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:27 PM
Author: Calm

lurvely. odd spell for smell though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875820)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:35 PM
Author: LaBomba (toiysam@yahoo.com)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875850)





Date: October 28th, 2006 9:54 PM
Author: rk982 (now $20,000/year more legal advice)

One of the greatest xoxo posts ever; perfect, canonical, devastating, every bit as good and important as Renada's great UChicago post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6877863)





Date: October 28th, 2006 10:13 PM
Author: shimano

But is it any better elsewhere in the V10?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6877970)





Date: October 29th, 2006 1:44 PM
Author: rk982 (now $20,000/year more legal advice)

No. If you read this as a post about S&C you're badly missing the point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880417)





Date: October 29th, 2006 2:41 PM
Author: *.*.*

But the post doesn't apply to Cravath, which doesn't take literals :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880652)





Date: October 30th, 2006 12:42 AM
Author: rk982 (now $20,000/year more legal advice)

Freudian typo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6884414)





Date: October 29th, 2006 1:58 PM
Author: loafer

a half-notch below, i think; not quite as well written or as feverish but still devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880498)





Date: October 29th, 2006 9:34 PM
Author: 

LInk?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6883128)





Date: October 28th, 2006 10:05 PM
Author: Gene Parmesan

LOVE IT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6877934)





Date: October 29th, 2006 12:23 AM
Author: PrestigeWhore

Mostly true, though S&C associates who've managed to stick around for 3-4 years place very well.

However, for the next few graduating classes, the mid-levels at most of these firms are going to be laterals. Ya'll better get over the superiority complex when your boss ends up being a new york law grad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878660)





Date: October 29th, 2006 1:49 PM
Author: MindTheGap76 (is semi-retired)

Juuuuuuuuust in case:

Date: October 27th, 2006 8:17 PM

Author: Mason27

Subject: Congratulations!

Based on your reaction to getting the offer, this is probably the best thing that could have hever appened to you. I encourage you to enjoy the summer and take accept their offer as nothing in the world will cure you of your prestige obsession quicker than some time at S&C.

During orientation, they'll give you an S&C shoulderbag and you'll wear it with the S&C logo facing outward so any other commuters in the know can see it and you'll just know that they're either impressed or envious. And that will make you happy and proud. And then you'll try to figure out the best way to ensure that you're sworn in as soon as possible after receiving your bar results because then you'll get the box full of business cards that say "Sullivan & Cromwell LLP" with your actual name underneath. You'll be giddy at the thought of casually passing one (mid-conversation) to some acquaintance from undergrad you've lost touch with.

You'll start working and you'll notice that there are an awful lot of "Farewell" emails and someone will tell you that the farewell emails can only contain 4 names at a time per firm policy because the partners decided sometime in 2004 that emails indicating 6 or 7 people were leaving the firm in a two week period might cause some unhelpful whispering. You'll talk to a midlevel associate who is super-psyched to work at S&C and you'll find out that he (not a lot of shes) lateralled from some firm that frankly you would never have considered working for (too TTT for you). When you get back to your office, this will trouble you a bit, you'll wonder if your own escutcheon is being blemished by the presence of this type of person (i.e., non-elite) at your S&C. But that feeling will pass as you'll find plenty of other like-minded first years who equally relish the prestige as you you head for a drink at Ulysses (shoulderbag logo facing outward).

Then you'll get staffed on your first big deal and you'll work late night after late night and then on the weekend and on to the next weekend and then on to the weekend when you had planned to go to a friend's wedding. And you won't go because the work has to get done and you have dues to pay (or so you'll be told). You'll get a little bit upset about this turn of events, but the arrival of those business cards will soften the blow.

You'll meet more and more laterals from firms that you would never work for (some you've never even heard of). You'll note in the farewell emails that some of the junior and midlevel associates leaving S&C are going to those very same firms. Survival of the fittest you'll say. But late at night, when the air conditioning clicks down from a barely perceptible hissing sound to complete silence, these things will bother you. But you'll tell yourself you're just tired and frustrated and anyway you have work to do.

You'll have lunch with Rodge and he'll tell you that business is good and that he's listening to associates' concerns about quality of life issues. You'll notice that some of the senior associates visibly roll their eyes at each other when this comes up, but you won't mind that much because, really, what other firm's managing partner regulalry has lunch with associates to hear their concerns (and takes notes!)

A few months will pass, a few marathon deals will happen, you'll have to re-schedule a vacation but you'll tell yourself that that is to be expected.

About a year in, a couple of your classmates will crack and start talking about how much the job sucks. They'll very likely have gone to Yale Law School. You'll joke that they couldn't hack it when they leave the firm for a clerkship, or an academic position or to go to a firm in another city.

Things will go on in this pattern and you'll notice the fact that you're working a lot harder than your friends who went to "peer" firms. At first you'll be proud of this and brag about it, but after a while you'll find yourself downplaying it. At least when you have the time to get out and socialize with your law school friends.

Something will happen: a partner will scream at you, a senior associate gunning for partner will blame you for her mistake, the partner will tell you that the trip to Europe your spouse meticulously planned just won't be able to happen (he'll be really sorry and will tell you a funny story about the exotic vacation he missed or cut short). Doesn't matter what, but you'll get really pissed and you'll start to take some of the 4 or 5 calls from headhunters that you'll receive every day at that point (vultures spell blood). They'll give you the names of firms that you laughed on in the days when you posted on the XOXO board, but you'll find yourself looking into them. The headhunter will encourage to just listen to their offer and you'll consider doing so. But you won't leave because then you'd have to give up your business cards. And stop wearing the shoulder bag. And the bonus is only x months away so you'll start thinking about it then.

Until one day you won't be able to take it any more and you'll find yourself arranging to meet with people from a lightly regarded firm for a position in their New York office. And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you.

And you don't believe any of this will happen, but I suggest you print this out and keep it in the top desk of your drawer so late at night when you're feeling sorry for yourself, you can add to the list of reasons to be miserable this fact: someone told you this was going to happen and you thought that person was crazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872237)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880444)





Date: October 29th, 2006 3:04 PM
Author: MonkeyFace

did you go in house this May to a major IBank? If so, I think I know you (don't worry, I won't out you)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880811)





Date: July 21st, 2007 10:45 AM
Author: Jim Anchower, Esq.

this is my favorite xo post EVAH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#8415577)





Date: September 26th, 2007 3:30 PM
Author: lawcamper

MASON 27 is a DEMI-GOD.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#8692518)





Date: April 15th, 2008 6:03 PM
Author:           

someone mentioned this in the WOW post, thought i'd bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#9633214)





Date: May 30th, 2008 1:52 AM
Author: HNIC Obama\'s slaveselling Kenyan ancestors

i wonder what became of sullcrom_dot_com

chances he's still there, two years later?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#9841555)





Date: June 4th, 2008 9:59 AM
Author: Lathamite

Bump for the summers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#9856778)





Date: October 27th, 2006 11:43 PM
Author: DJ Khaled (doug@nationallawschool.net)

I pwn3d the hell out of a shitty brief written by two S&C attorneys last month. Frankly, I was shocked at the poor quality - don't be the guy that diminishes the firm in the eyes of its inferiors. Ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873609)





Date: October 27th, 2006 11:46 PM
Author: honk if you are nigger

If it's any consolation, you probably didn't pwn them. You're just too TTT to realize that they cock-slapped you back to the bottom of the Vault list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873626)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:26 AM
Author: DJ Khaled (doug@nationallawschool.net)

Guess the judge was TTT too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873936)





Date: September 26th, 2007 3:57 PM
Author: $9 Beer Night

what the hell is sullivan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#8692628)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:12 PM
Author: [officially retired from this disgusting hellhole]

What was your hardest interview question?

Also, obligatory "banking pwns law"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871130)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:34 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I didn't encounter any hard interview questions at any firm I went to - they just don't ask you tough questions. Maybe they do in banking interviews, but not law firms. Because the screening interviews are so short, they provide little opportunity for probative questions, and interviewers tend to just yawn their way through a day of 20 interviews and pick a handful of the best transcripts at the end of it. Then, once you get to the callback, they are more concerned about recruiting you (as there is typically a presumption that you are qualified at that point) so nobody wants to be a dick and ask tough questions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871214)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:45 PM
Author: [officially retired from this disgusting hellhole]

LOL

Lawyers are tards

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871276)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:58 PM
Author: ___________

bankers have to ask questions because they recruit history and econ majors who are taught zero about banking. law school is a pretty fair judge i guess of how well one knows the law or legal theory, so they dont need to ask questions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871584)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: valen2

law school doesnt teach you anything about the practice of law, you learn more in 11 weeks as a summer than you do in 2 years of law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871724)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:30 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Yes, but how well you are able to learn and do in law school (i.e., your grades) serve as a pretty reliable predictor of how well you will be able to learn and do at a law firm. Thus, they have reliable information on which to base a decision without asking any tough questions. The same cannot be said of an i-bank interviewing a liberal arts major.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871779)





Date: October 27th, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: Mr.Tubby

I doubt this.

Everyone knows the legal doctrine and can apply it well enough (anyone above the median at a T14 anyway). Issue spotting and being able to crank out a good paper in time span of 3 1/2 hours is a different skill.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873421)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:18 PM
Author: Subotai, thief and archer

List the aspects of your personality that you believe were pros or cons to you getting the job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871157)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:41 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I am a very cool and sociable person. I found that interviewers found this to be very refreshing. They are used to meeting with unbelievable losers during these interviews. Either interviewer is cool and are relieved to finally meet somebody they can actually talk to, or they are similarly losers and revert back to middle school tendencies and try their best to impress me and get me to like them too. Either way, when I leave, they are left with the impression that I am somebody they would like to work with, which is what their decision really boils down to (presuming you have the grades).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871251)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:48 PM
Author: DarthLeiter

Well, its obvious you're cool and sociable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871289)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:53 PM
Author: .... ............. .. ...........

definitely. what part of the interview did you most show off your coolness and sociability? the part where you told them how awesome and prestigious you are? or the part where you told them you'd be taking questions on your awesomeness and prestigiousness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871552)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:55 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

The whole thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871565)





Date: October 29th, 2006 9:57 AM
Author: Summa

LOL

Macho always setting people straight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6879663)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:19 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

what aspects of the prestige of Sullivan will get you through the months of 80 hour weeks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871165)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:21 PM
Author: Subotai, thief and archer

The prestigious aspects....duh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871176)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:29 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Credited.

But more to the point, there is no chance I am working months of 80 hour weeks. Its just not realistic. An occasional 80 hour week? Maybe.

Semi-regular 70 hour weeks will likely suck a lot, but I anticipate that knowing that I am at the top of the legal profession and will essentially have the freedom to choose whatever I want the next step in my career to be will help me get through it for a couple of years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871197)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:36 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

"Semi-regular 70 hour weeks will likely suck a lot, but I anticipate that knowing that I am at the top of the legal profession and will essentially have the freedom to choose whatever I want the next step in my career to be will help me get through it for a couple of years."

litigation or corporate? If corporate, you are at the top of the legal profession, and the bottom of the finance profession, so it isn't too exciting. If litigation, you can get similar training in any major market with considerably less hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871219)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:39 PM
Author: donaldt

"bottom of the finance profession"

143

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871233)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:40 PM
Author: tankengine

except that it's true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871245)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:59 PM
Author: WhateverDood

except that it isn't. You aren't in the finance profession if you are corporate lawyer. That is as dumb as saying an analyst at morgan stanley is at the top of the legal profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871594)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:41 PM
Author: DarthLeiter

True corporate lawyers have to deal with the fact that they are not the main professional talent involved in the deals that they are working on. They also make less $$$ than the bankers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871249)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:44 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

"bottom of the finance profession"

This is funny. And I agree. Corporate lawyers make no sense to me - why go into debt just to be doing less glamorous financial work than you could have done right out of college?

I want to do litigation, and specifically securities litigation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871269)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:47 PM
Author: morgancity (REIGNOFTERRORPWN3D!!!)

DOCREVIEWPWN3D!!!

Have fun being the most junior person on their team of 25 lawyers in In re IPO Sec Litig.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871283)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:48 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

so then what are these great exit options? I understand corporate, because half of corporate lawyers want to be bankers or in business, but if you are in litigation you aren't going into business. There is big time securities litigation all over the place, not just NYC. Where are you going to exit to anyway, another lawfirm or in house as an inhouse litigation expert?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871287)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:48 PM
Author: tankengine

you'll be doing lots of glamorous work as a 1st year on a securities litigation case.

there's no doc review what so ever on securities litigation cases, none at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871288)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:55 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Who said anything about glamorous work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871323)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:57 PM
Author: tankengine

"why go into debt just to be doing less glamorous financial work than you could have done right out of college?

I want to do litigation, and specifically securities litigation."

you did, you made the implicit distinction between less glamorous financial corporate work and impliedly more glamorous securities litigation, and all the glamorous doc review that goes along with it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871340)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:05 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Work on reading comprehension.

I said that the financial work you do as a corporate lawyer is less glamorous than the financial work a recent college grad does (at, say, an i-bank).

I drew no comparison between the glamor of first year associate corporate work and litigation work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871392)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:44 PM
Author: Gene Parmesan

Sullivan for lit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871518)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Yep. They're very good at the lit I think I want to do, and they are strong across all practice areas and have a big international presence, which were both important to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871561)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:38 PM
Author: DarthLeiter

You will work 80 hours a week at Sullivan, sometimes 90, sometimes more.

Your prestige is tempered by your credulity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871232)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:39 PM
Author: 2elle

"and will essentially have the freedom to choose whatever I want the next step in my career..."

I've never understood this thinking. Why not just figure out where you want to be and go there?? Why pick a firm for its exit strategy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871237)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:40 PM
Author: donaldt

gotta pay your dues, like everyone else, just that high-end corporate lawyers have to go to law school first

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871244)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:51 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

"Why not just figure out where you want to be and go there? Why pick a firm for its exit strategy?"

This is like asking: Why go to law school? If you know you want to be a lawyer, why not just start at a law firm?

Well, firms won't hire you without a legal degree - you won't consider you qualified to work for them until you have been trained in this regard. And the better school you come from, the more likely the more competitive firms will want you.

The same logic applies for the next step in one's career (at least mine). The jobs I would like to end up doing wouldn't hire me straight out of law school. They will hire somebody after three years of BigLaw experience, and will be more likely to do so if they have been trained at a better firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871309)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:58 PM
Author: 2elle

I assume that if someone can get a job at Sullivan that same person could get a job at any boutique firm he wanted. Instead, OP will go through three years of misery at Sullivan for the prestigue and move on to the firm that he should have chosen to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871346)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:06 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Boutique firm is one option. In-house i another option. Justice is another option. There are lots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871399)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:17 PM
Author: 2elle

so did you bother applying to any of these options? did they actually tell you that you need a few years of BIGLAW experience in order to qualify?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871432)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:18 PM
Author: LeiTTTer ("ah yes, the bob loblaw law blog")

shh, don't make him think. the biglaw lemming herd pauses for no one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871435)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:22 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

First, let's take a step back. This is for a summer position at this point. I will certainly be exploring my options after the summer, and will be asking myself and many others the very questions that you raise. My sense at the moment is that you have many more options after a few years of BigLaw experience than you do at graduation.

At the very least, a summer at a firm like S&C will look good coming out if it turns out I'm wrong and I decide to do something else directly after graduation. So either way, I am happy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871446)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:22 PM
Author: MagisterLudi

"I assume that if someone can get a job at Sullivan that same person could get a job at any boutique firm he wanted."

Not true. Sullivan is fairly prestigious and selective, but they take a lot of bodies. Smaller boutiques might be more selective or they might take very few people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871447)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:45 PM
Author: Gene Parmesan

"I assume that if someone can get a job at Sullivan that same person could get a job at any boutique firm he wanted."

bold

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871523)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:55 PM
Author: WhateverDood

A-1 Bold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871563)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: loafer

overly so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871759)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:36 PM
Author: Great Teachar Onizuka

Will this job worsen or improve your self-esteem issues?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871222)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:55 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

It has improved my self-esteem. But it may well worsen my self-esteem issues by confirming that I require success such as this to make me feel good about myself. Only time will tell, I guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871321)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:57 PM
Author: Great Teachar Onizuka

that's a refreshingly honest answer. good luck and i'm sure you will succeed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871339)





Date: October 27th, 2006 5:07 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871403)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:37 PM
Author: Moderately Bad Person (why won't you shut up?)

NYC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871225)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:56 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Yes, NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871330)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:50 PM
Author: DarthLeiter

I think this guy is flame. Look at how everyone is just tearing into him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871297)





Date: October 27th, 2006 4:50 PM
Author: tankengine

either that, or he's dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871302)





Date: October 29th, 2006 2:08 PM
Author: loafer

yeah it's strange. by most traditional xoxo standards he is a shining success story, and yet one person after another piles on to express horror at his prospects. are we going all softbatch and work-life-balancy here and turning away from our collective belief that prestige is a bitter but essential medicine? or is it just envy speaking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880532)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:01 PM
Author: QuickQuestion

yeah i have a question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871604)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:02 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Shoot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871609)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:15 PM
Author: QuickQuestion

1. where did you go to law school (range?)

2. what was your gpa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871670)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:21 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Do not want to give out any personal information.

My school/rank were good enough to get me an offer from S&C (but you knew that already) and 5 other v10s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871715)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:22 PM
Author: QuickQuestion

actually, i didnt know. im not very interested, and only asked because im bored and waiting to go out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871721)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:30 PM
Author: durhambd

the prospect of working with people like you makes me want to rescind my acceptance at s&c.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871776)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:32 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Cool. Look forward to working with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871788)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:14 PM
Author: firm

Should I take Cravath over Sullcrom? Do you perceive any difference in hours worked at these two firms? I'd imagine it'd be fairly easy for me to lateral to Sullcrom from Cravath whereas it'd be a lot harder the other way around?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871663)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:27 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Your assessment is probably accurate. Cravath historically does not hire any laterals (though I have heard rumors that they have started to do so). I don't know that it would be "fairly easy" to lateral to S&C, but I may be wrong about that.

As for hours, I think you will work slightly more at Cravath, but that the difference will be largely negligible. From what I hear, you will definitely work a lot more over the summer.

As far as I'm concerned, a Cravath v. S&C decision should probably come down to how comfortable you are with being handcuffed to a single partner at Cravath. If you are ok with the risks associated with that system (or even prefer it) and you can handle working first year associate hours over the summer, I would choose Cravath. If either or both of these things bother you, I would choose S&C. Everything else seems pretty comparable between the two, with these minor potential drawbacks being weighed against the minor bump in prestige.

Either way, you can't really go wrong. Good luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871758)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: loafer



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871766)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:24 PM
Author: kundu
Subject: Dinged at Cadwalader?

enjoy your TTT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871736)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Laughable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871765)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:36 PM
Author: kundu
Subject: the fact that you seem to think I was serious is disturbing...

but then again, on this board everything is TTT except HY and Wachtell...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871817)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:32 PM
Author: firm

Did you get an offer from Davis Polk and would you have taken it over S&C?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871787)





Date: October 27th, 2006 6:34 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I did, and as I chose not to take it, no.

I didn't buy their nice guy schtick for a second and neither should anybody else.

That being said, it is of course a great firm. I just thought S&C was better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6871800)





Date: October 27th, 2006 8:26 PM
Author: Mexico

Excellent choice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872282)





Date: October 27th, 2006 8:40 PM
Author: faceless

S&C is a TTT in decline... sorry.

Wouldn't be surprised if they shut down some of their overseas offices. My impression is that they would be nothing if it wasn't for Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872360)





Date: October 27th, 2006 8:45 PM
Author: loafer

if anything it is cravath that is in decline relative to S&C

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872399)





Date: October 27th, 2006 9:01 PM
Author: faceless

True.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872512)





Date: October 27th, 2006 8:41 PM
Author: David Carr (Hooray for abortions!!)

whats the pay package like?

list base, any bonuses that you may receive and allowances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6872366)





Date: October 27th, 2006 10:59 PM
Author: Anonymoose

How does it make you feel to be in the presence of someone obviously more prestigious than you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873275)





Date: October 27th, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

A little bit intimidated, to be honest.

But this intimidation is tempered quite a bit by the fact that I am only in the internet presence of such a person. If you and I were in the same room IRL, I would fear and revere you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873419)





Date: October 27th, 2006 11:29 PM
Author: Anonymoose

TITCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873524)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:03 AM
Author: loafer

do you feel the same way in the presence of someone at wachtell?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873725)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:16 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Being intimidated in the presence of somebody more prestigious than you is not a universal trait. I just know it to be one that I possess. This, of course, played into my deisre to end up at as prestigious a firm as possible (so as to minimize the amount of people in whose presence I would find myself intimidated).

So it's entirely possible he does not get intimidated in the presence of a Wachtell lawyer, though in his position, I would.

And knowing him to be more prestigious than I (and experiencing the concommitant intimidation), I would not readily attribute this trait to him, as it is one that I see as a weakness in myself and would thus not assume that my prestige superiors possess it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873838)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:58 AM
Author: loafer

but i wasn't talking to you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874157)





Date: October 27th, 2006 11:39 PM
Author: BigTuna
Subject: tell us more about the decision

i heard that partner contact at S&C is horrible - thoughts? what other firms were you considering?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873581)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:10 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I was only seriously considering DPW and Cleary.

Partner contact means little to me, and even if it didn't, I see no reliable way to obtain truthful information about this metric, or many others for that matter. This is the type of thing you have to experience yourself, not something you can get from talking to others. People at various firms will tell you whatever they want you to think because they are recruiting you, and even seemingly neutral parties (friends you know who work there and will shoot straight with you, for instance) can not be relied upon because most of these things are completely subjective and depend largely on the personality of the individual assessing them. For example, a very introverted person may say that partner contact sucks at S&C, when he would probably have the same gripe about any other firm had he ended up there instead.

So, basically, I determined that relying on information like that (whether promulgated by other firms or insiders "in the know") was foolish. So it came down to prestige, both firm-wide and within the practice areas that interest me, taking into account perceived prestige within the larger legal community, quality of clients, etc. These metrics are much easier to objectively verify. A firm's clients are a matter of fact, and reputation and prestige are subjective assessments that can be objectively measured (i.e., by Vault, C&P, etc.).

Weighing these factors, I arrived at S&C pretty easily.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873779)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:12 AM
Author: shimano

mildly suspicious this is flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873801)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:19 AM
Author: tankengine

it's the ghost of aaron nagano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873866)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:21 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Why do you say that? What about my response do you disagree with or think is so outrageous that it could be flame?

I believe I chose wisely. Others may think there is some value in searching out reliable information on these metrics, and that's fine. I'm not concerned with them. I was asked about how I made my decision, and I answered truthfully, while providing what I think (and hope) is useful information for others similarly situated.

Oh, now I see why you think its flame. I was being honest and trying to be helpful. Thats a no-no around here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6873885)





Date: October 28th, 2006 12:54 AM
Author: Vic Tayback's Sweaty T-Shirt

do the mountains make you think of Busch beer? i don't think i could work at a firm whose website reminds me of Busch beer. i prefer blinding websites. blinding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874134)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:18 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I'm a Natty Lite man, myself, so it doesn't bother me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874288)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:22 AM
Author: Vic Tayback's Sweaty T-Shirt

are you 16?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874306)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:10 AM
Author: BigTuna

no, that sounds legit to me. so between DPW and S&C you were able to objectively decide that S&C was materially better than DPW in the practice groups you were interested in and overall, putting aside all other factors that you found unreliable (partner contact, "niceness," etc)? good for you. was just curious as i'm still trying to sort firms out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874251)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Correct. That's what I was able to do. But I realize that not everybody is capable of that, which is completely fine. I am really just trying to present an alternative to all the people who say you should really just look for "fit" and "culture" and how well you get along with the people because I think those are impossible to get any meaningful sense of during the recruiting process.

If I had one piece of advice that I would stress over all others, it would be not to buy the "niceness" routine (from DPW or anybody else, for that matter). It simply cannot be true, and even if it were, I can't see how it would possibly improve your quality of life in any meaningful way.

In fact, I consider "niceness" to be a slight drawback. I would rather have a partner or senior associate be blunt about what exactly is wrong with my work than spend the whole time walking back to my desk wondering how far I missed the mark because whoever was giving me feedback was trying to be nice and soften the blow. Some people say the nice-guy reputation just means they use nicer words and calmer tones when they chew you out. I don't see this as the problem. The problem is the hazy expectations that comes when one tries to be kind with their criticism.

So, as a firm, you can either always strive to be nice and get shittier and less consistent work, or you can tell your attorneys everything they do wrong, so they can fix it and improve in the future. I'd rather work for the latter. And I honestly think that any firm worth shit would rather be the latter - hence my skepticism that any firms actually fulfill the nice guy role that some purport to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874356)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:56 AM
Author: BigTuna

yeah, i agree with you that finding "your own" method of looking at firms is important. i am trying to isolate those things that are important to me too.

i was asking about partner interaction because i had an associate there tell me that he doesn't know partners at all. i found this odd and was wondering if you had picked up on this while going through the recruiting process. i know it's an individual thing and not a firm thing, but thought i would throw it out there and see what you thought. if you don't like it, just throw it back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874405)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:08 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

It sounds like you are going about things better than most people I know.

I agree with the things you have identified as important, and I too place a lot of importance on them. As far as I'm concerned, the sole purpose should be finding the place that will help you become the best lawyer possible (as you say). The quality of your ineractions with supervisors, etc. is a big part of that. But as I have said, I don't think there's any meaningful or reliable way to predict that from going through recruiting. So if this dimension (and other similar ones) are largely a crapshoot (and thus as likely to be good or bad at one firm as the next), I figured I'd base my decision on things I could know with some certainty - prestige, practice area strength, clients, etc.

It's funny, most of the people I spoke with at S&C were actually quite pleased with their experiences with partners. But I put very little faith in these assessments, for the reasons I have discussed. I would have done the same had the assessments been negative. While a negative assessment may seem more readily believable (what incentive do they have to lie about a bad aspect about the firm?), you can't ignore that these things are mostly driven by the individual (as you recgnize) and can do little to tell you how you might actually experience that aspect of the firm.

Anyway, it sounds like you are going about things the best possible way. I wish you luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874432)





Date: October 28th, 2006 3:04 AM
Author: BigTuna

thanks, i wish you luck. i'm still debating, but maybe i'll see you there.

thanks for your insights during the recruiting process, i appreciate it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874570)





Date: October 28th, 2006 11:55 PM
Author: PrestigeWhore

"If I had one piece of advice that I would stress over all others, it would be not to buy the "niceness" routine (from DPW or anybody else, for that matter). It simply cannot be true, and even if it were, I can't see how it would possibly improve your quality of life in any meaningful way.

In fact, I consider "niceness" to be a slight drawback. I would rather have a partner or senior associate be blunt about what exactly is wrong with my work than spend the whole time walking back to my desk wondering how far I missed the mark because whoever was giving me feedback was trying to be nice and soften the blow. Some people say the nice-guy reputation just means they use nicer words and calmer tones when they chew you out. I don't see this as the problem. The problem is the hazy expectations that comes when one tries to be kind with their criticism. "

This is typical logic I hear for rejecting a firm with a culture, but corporate cultures are a real phenomenon and there is no reason to think they can't exist at a law firm. Just look at some of the mergers that have bombed because the corporate cultures didn't mix - it is a real thing. To say "it cannot be true" is just an ignorant statement, as well thought-out as it might be. A lot of people, both working there now and alumni, really seem to believe that it has a better working environment than other firms.

Davis Polk is a top quality law firm that is just as successful at S&C. To assume that there is some inefficency because associates don't get criticized enough or that partners waste time trying to figure out how to break it nice to you is silly. It isn't about "hazy expectations" - they have very high expectations and everyone knows that. The question is - do they throw a phone at you (actually happens at Cravath), or do they tell you you screwed up - say it is OK that you screwed up - and help you fix the problem? You can be very clear about your expectations without being obnoxious or dismissive of the person's intelligence.

Congrats, though, on your choice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878520)





Date: October 29th, 2006 2:12 PM
Author: loafer

so very credited. abuse is never desirable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880550)





Date: October 29th, 2006 2:17 PM
Author: Mexico

Abuse is definitely a huge drawback. Thing is, the great majority of people at S&C are actually nice and polite, as I'm sure people are at most firms. Applicants shouldn't draw upon the conventional wisdom too much in making their decisions, as it is quite flawed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880564)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:34 AM
Author: Incorrect

Are you a virgin?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874353)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:38 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I suppose this is where the tough-guy poster (me) is supposed to assert that he fucks so many hot chicks that it would make your head spin.

I don't. But I have had intercourse before. With another person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874362)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:42 AM
Author: Incorrect

Congratulations on that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874373)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:46 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

Thanks. I feel good about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874381)





Date: October 28th, 2006 3:56 AM
Author: loafer

"With another person"

what an odd way to phrase it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874689)





Date: October 28th, 2006 9:41 PM
Author: David Krieg (Harvard, hopefully.)

Yeah. Pretty vague. According to Singer, apes are persons. Maybe pigs, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6877777)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:07 AM
Author: Advocate

what made you decide to go the Biglaw route and not non-profit (i.e. National Lawyers Guild, ACLU, and etc).

Do you feel any guilt that you are working for a firm that represents clients such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers?

Did you do it mostly because of the money factor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874430)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:14 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

I am actually quite interested in non-profit or public interest work, and I think something along those lines may well be my next step after after a stint in big law. I just believe I can get better training at a big firm with lots of resources, which I think is the most important thing to a young legal career, regardless of what you want to do long-term.

Why should I feel guilty about that?

Money was not a motivating factor for me. I do not pay tuition, and thus have incurred no debt, and I have plenty of personal money to live comfortably without a high paying job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874445)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:20 AM
Author: Advocate

How is working for Sullivan going to prepare you for the ACLU? Sullivan mostly represents corporation and business firms that has nothing to do with civil liberties. I think you're a bit idealistic if corporate law will help you with civil liberties and constitutional litigation.

Overturning the death penalty in the courts does not equal helping corporations make a bang for their buck. HTH!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874462)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:25 AM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

First of all, I am doing litigation, not corporate.

Learning how to litigate big cases (discovery, etc.) is a skill that can be transferrable. Presumably working on securities litigation will help teach me how to litigate a case, which is what public interest legal organizations do a lot of.

Many other legal skills (research, writing, etc.) are also transferrable, and learning and honing them under very smart people for very demanding clients is certain to help.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6874477)





Date: October 29th, 2006 2:15 PM
Author: loafer

"Presumably working on securities litigation will help teach me how to litigate a case"

no more than studying the alphabet will make you a better writer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6880557)





Date: September 26th, 2007 3:44 PM
Author: any major dood

awful analogy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#8692573)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:20 PM
Author: this is the



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875509)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:20 PM
Author: this is the

Golman Sachs benefits America and the world far more than the ACLU does. Your question is backwards; one should feel guilty working for the ACLU.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875511)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:21 PM
Author: QuickQuestion

?

Edit: now, come on, you can't really believe this. This claim just can't be adequately justified.

Edit (2nd): plus, it's Goldman not "Golman."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875514)





Date: October 30th, 2006 8:42 AM
Author: this is the

NAMBLA isn't really helping America. And I don't want to hear some treatise on the nobility of robust speech. It's freaking gay kiddie porn.

I honestly believe that helping companies grow, participate in the market, etc. does more good for America than clogging the gov't docket with cases for terrorist muslims and gay molesters. I don't think that's so far fetched.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6885348)





Date: October 30th, 2006 8:43 AM
Author: this is the

I'm glad you told me it's Goldman. I really thought it was Golman. I've been spared from certain humiliation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6885350)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:40 PM
Author: loafer

they make more money, but the ACLU's victories create a lot of positive externalities -- so while the ACLU doesn't make as much, it might still promote more social welfare

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875619)





Date: October 29th, 2006 12:31 AM
Author: David Krieg (Harvard, hopefully.)

Profound.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878694)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:32 PM
Author: shimano

this is getting ridiculous.

could someone give some real reasons why one's life will be so much worse at S&C versus STB or DPW or Cleary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875574)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:34 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

It won't. But I wouldn't go to any of those places to be a litigator.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875589)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:35 PM
Author: shimano

oh ok. that "congratulations!" post freaked me out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875593)





Date: October 28th, 2006 1:37 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

Well, it's probably accurate. It'd be accurate at the other firms you mention too though.

If I were a young litigator, there are probably 15-20 firms I'd go to before any of em.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875602)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:23 PM
Author: shimano

and for corporate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875806)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:36 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

For corporate, I actually think there's a difference in the substance that the top NY places perform and real differences in exit options based on things like relationships with important banks, etc. You're just not going to have the same opportunity at, say, a chicago firm or the DC office of a national firm or whatever. Litigation is litigation though, and for junior people smaller cases can be a lot better experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875863)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:25 PM
Author: MagisterLudi

What are these 15-20 firms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875814)





Date: October 28th, 2006 2:34 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

Let's see. Off the top of my head, I think youre better off at:

Quinn Emmanuel, Munger, Irell, Williams & Connolly, Covington, Gibson Dunn, Arnold & Porter, O'Melveny (some offices), Debevoise, Paul Weiss, Kirkland (maybe)

That's just off the top of my head. These are places that, from what I gather, you're actually going to get real litigation experience, will actually be challenged to perform, will be encouraged to sharpen your skills with pro bono work, and won't exactly stain your resume in the process.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6875848)





Date: October 28th, 2006 9:18 PM
Author: sullcrom_dot_com

"Quinn Emmanuel"

Maybe. Certainly very good lit - can't argue with that. But too small for my tastes. Especially in NY.

"Munger, Irell"

Don't want to live on the west coast. Ever. Seriously, ever.

"Williams & Connolly, Covington, Gibson Dunn"

Sure, if you want to be in DC and do appellate work. And anybody who interviews with their DC office and believes they will be doing a lot of appellate work is an idiot.

"Arnold & Porter, O'Melveny (some offices)"

See above, but far less prestigious and even more stupid.

"Debevoise"

This has to be a joke.

"Paul Weiss"

Good point. Very legit at litigation. But a true one trick pony. Not that impressive of a firm overall.

"Kirkland (maybe)"

Maybe not. Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6877668)





Date: October 28th, 2006 9:36 PM
Author: Gene Parmesan

"""Williams & Connolly, Covington, Gibson Dunn""

"Sure, if you want to be in DC and do appellate work. And anybody who interviews with their DC office and believes they will be doing a lot of appellate work is an idiot. "

Hilarious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6877741)





Date: October 28th, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

Does W&C even have an appellate specialty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878502)





Date: October 29th, 2006 12:11 AM
Author: Gene Parmesan

it's primarily a trial place. which accounts for only a small part of the stupidity of the post i responded to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878601)





Date: October 29th, 2006 3:34 AM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

What's prestigious about being a 5th year associate who's never taken a deposition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6879440)





Date: October 28th, 2006 11:50 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

Hey, suit yourself. You'll never be a great litigator, but at least you'll get the beach bag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878496)





Date: October 29th, 2006 12:01 AM
Author: RangerRick

Paul Weiss has a rep of being powerhouse litigators

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6878545)





Date: October 29th, 2006 3:58 PM
Author: morgancity (I WAS IN THE POOL!!!)

In the real world, all of the places I listed have that reputation. Only a law student obsessed with the Vault would go to S&C over any of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6881103)





Date: October 29th, 2006 8:18 AM
Author: kundu
Subject: You are going to fit in so well at S&C

I can just tell by the sound of your posts.

Your first friend will be the S&C 2nd year associate who interviewed at my law school. He talked for about 5 minutes in a Thurston Howell-ish accent about how great everything is at "Esh and Shee," and spent the rest of the time talking about baseball. Insecurity and frattishness oozed out of every pore, and he usually maintained a kind of forced, studied modesty, but you could see that he just couldn't contain his pride every time he remembered where he worked. He was happy as a pig in shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6879584)





Date: October 29th, 2006 10:03 AM
Author: BIGLAW2b

If it helps, I summered at S&C and hated it, so much that I declined their offer and went to another V5.

STAY AWAY FROM S&C. The hours are shitty. Offices are shitty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6879676)





Date: October 29th, 2006 9:28 PM
Author: firm

You mentioned hours being a concern -- did you end up going to DPW instead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#6883087)





Date: May 22nd, 2007 11:32 AM
Author: Curt Schilling, MVP

Wonder how this dude is doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#8152168)





Date: July 21st, 2007 10:49 AM
Author: Hazelrah (http://xoxoreader.blogspot.com/)

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=465648&mc=165&forum_id=2#6350865 ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=514098&forum_id=2#8415585)