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My landlord is saying natural gas isn't included, but lease says it is (TSINAH)
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:36 PM Author: scarlet thriller home How should I approach this? He's a nice guy, but natural gas is pretty pricey right now. When I asked him, he said it isn't included in the rent.
Relevant lease provision:
1.5.2 NATURAL GAS
Landlord will provide natural gas to the Property and the cost is included in the Base Rent.
Also relevant:
1.5.3. HEAT
Heat is not provided separately from other utilities. The cost of heat is included in the utility costs (natural gas, electricity, or heating oil, as provided) necessary to run the heating system, and will be paid by the party responsible for the applicable utility." |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:00 AM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma LOL. The "Relevant lease provisions" don't even support you as much as you think they do...
"1.5.2 NATURAL GAS
Landlord will provide natural gas to the Property and the cost is included in the Base Rent."
Yes bitch boi, it just says LL will provide it to the Property. It doesn't necessarily say you can turn it on or what amount you can consume.
"1.5.3. HEAT
Heat is not provided separately from other utilities. The cost of heat is included in the utility costs (natural gas, electricity, or heating oil, as provided) necessary to run the heating system, and will be paid by the party responsible for the applicable utility."
It says "necessary to run the heating system" - it doesn't say you can use it to heat your house. And what the fuck does "party responsible for the applicable utility" even mean. At best it's completely ambiguous. And, as always, what I assume you really want (unlimited winter heating even if the LL spends more than you pay on rent) is completely unreasonable.
JFC, ur literally the worst. |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:32 AM Author: self-centered useless trailer park This is coherent and accurate. No way this is the IRL KTJ.
It's 100% Deranged Penguin |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:59 PM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma (bitch boi) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565166) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:56 PM Author: Big bisexual house reading party lol @ this absurd sophistry. what kind of TTT 'lawyer' doesn't know the phrase contra proferentem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565917) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2022 1:02 AM Author: Deranged Step-uncle's House just pay your bills faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45572533) |
Date: November 29th, 2022 11:38 PM Author: abnormal really tough guy nowag Woah there we have to time our content properly, tonight is spaceporn threading and tomorrow is going to be benzo threading. Can you put a pin in your next landlord meltdown until Thursday? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561915) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:40 PM Author: Deep stock car national security agency Shouldn’t a lawyer know how to deal with this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561924) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:41 PM Author: scarlet thriller home I know how to deal with it in the legal sense. What's the best way to avoid unnecessary animosity etc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561928) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:44 PM Author: Deep stock car national security agency Point out the provisions in a nice way and if they don’t agree escalate a bit. If they still don’t agree keep escalating, but always adhere to what the contract says. Mention the remedies if it gets to that point. I feel like shitlawyers go into everything guns blazing but you can get basically what you want just being rational and firm ime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561947) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:42 AM Author: Pea-brained national hominid Really gay and womanly advice above. Go in guns blazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562161) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:44 AM Author: milky jew emergency scotus cert? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562165) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:48 AM Author: Pea-brained national hominid Mini trial on the merits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562180) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:12 PM Author: bateful sound barrier Declaratory judgment action in Plantation Key, Florida. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45564952) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:55 AM Author: Deep stock car national security agency Moast people on this site’s lives are in shambles. Just trying to help out. But keep doing you Nippon Professional Baseball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562200) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:41 PM Author: territorial parlour You're 10 seconds from turning that bitch on day and night until he's bankrupt aren't you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561933) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:45 PM Author: milky jew makes me think of the sopranos writers’ room drumming up ideas around season 5 or so. “here’s one: what if ANOTHER never-before-mentioned associate with deep ties to the family is released from prison and is rankled by what they perceive as the unfairness of tony’s rise to power?” |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:12 PM Author: bateful sound barrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45564956) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:46 PM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood The landlord is required to make sure that there are operational gas lines running into the house. He is not responsible for paying the bills for the gas.
The fact that this is not obvious to you, shows that you are really looking hard for ways to screw over your landlord. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:47 PM Author: scarlet thriller home Are you ESL?
The previous provision:
1.5.1. Electricity
Tenant will arrange and pay for the cost of electrical service for the Property directly to the service provider. The name of the Property's service provider is: DTE. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:49 PM Author: milky jew is he refusing to give you ANY natural gas or just all the natural gas you could possibly consume over the entire life of the lease? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561969) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:58 PM Author: abnormal really tough guy nowag CQ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562004) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:50 PM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood The lease is drafted like s*** and is vague. But it is completely insane to think that the parties intended for the landlord to cover heating costs when that is completely outside of the norm in Michigan.
If you want to use the poor drafting to Jew.your landlord.out.of.some money, go for it. But dont pretend you're not being a depraved immoral unethical kike. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:52 PM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma cr
and TSINAH and his HOG have plenty of fat reserves to keep them warm through the winter. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:54 PM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood Despite my.position ITT I like TSINAH and think his GF is attractive and def not a hog. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561989) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:01 AM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma he asked you if you are ESL and he's probably going to destroy this poor LL's life. But go on liking him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562021) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:03 AM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood Assuming we're sticking to the topic covered ITT -- He's just going to negotiate $50 off his lease / months. It's a shit kike move but not gonna ruin anyone's life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562029) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:03 AM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma is he? is that really his MO?
and given that Michigan is super cold and gas is very expensive, wouldn't the gas bill be like $500 a month? |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:05 AM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood He's not gonna get the landlord to agree to that.
If it goes to court, judge will 10000% take landlords side.
TSINAH only has the threat of a nuisance lawsuit. |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:07 AM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma TSINAH needs to stop clogging up the court system with such lawsuits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562043) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:08 AM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood I fully support all of his other lawsuits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562048) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:45 AM Author: mauve mediation Also, if this was the first time you tried to JEW a landlord, I might be on your side, but this is the 6th time AT LEAST. Fuck man. Grow up. Pay your shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562171) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:28 AM Author: scarlet thriller home It's a Zillow lease, by the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562315) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 8:55 AM Author: bossy low-t bawdyhouse mood 180. Sue Zillow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562776) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:25 PM Author: Angry jade filthpig business firm Fuck Zillow. Rape them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565802) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:02 AM Author: Pale jewess fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562025) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:05 PM Author: vengeful galvanic mother lease agreements are contracts, brother if its written in and everyone signs off on it, its what it is |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:50 PM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma Oh look, societal parasite already having issues with his new landlord.
Ur a filthy fucking pig TSINAH. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 11:53 PM Author: territorial parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45561979) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:05 AM Author: Apoplectic Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562033) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:10 AM Author: Clear laughsome casino ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562068) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:11 AM Author: mewling theatre useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562073) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:18 AM Author: Spectacular elastic band clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562278) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 8:40 AM Author: Talking piazza sandwich Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562746) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 10:16 AM Author: misunderstood pocket flask private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45563207) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:05 AM Author: Clear laughsome casino ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562035) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:11 AM Author: mewling theatre useless brakes lemme guess TSINAH, you pay $600 a month on rent and got your first gas bill for like $400 and expect the landlord to stomach this cost, among various others, even though it would mean him literally losing money to have the privilege of renting to you.
Am I close? |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:28 AM Author: misunderstood pocket flask private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562122) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:24 AM Author: scarlet thriller home I pay $2600/month and noticed this lease provision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562299) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:25 AM Author: arrogant electric pervert locus Lease isn't worded great. I've always been responsible for the NG in the midwest. Would be unusual to have the LL responsible for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562114) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:39 AM Author: marvelous church building I actually think this is great TSINAH, as you are using THE LAW IN ITS UNDISTURBED GREATNESS
Boart needs to stop cocksucking boomers
I would attempt to negotiate first |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:49 AM Author: Cerebral Magical Becky Did you have to set up a gas account in your name? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562184) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:25 AM Author: scarlet thriller home No, and I in fact can't because the gas account is in his name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562301) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:08 PM Author: vengeful galvanic mother the plot thickens... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45564930) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 12:56 AM Author: Jet Kitchen you should see if you can get blacklisted from renting in every state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562211) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:26 AM Author: scarlet thriller home Enjoy another six months of probation tomorrow, pauper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562306) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 8:11 AM Author: Jet Kitchen not really an issue when you don't drink and have a valid rx for all ur drugs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562679) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 5:51 PM Author: scarlet thriller home My mistake, enjoy another three months probation, pauper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565677) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2022 12:39 AM Author: Jet Kitchen bald guy says what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45572490) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:30 AM Author: Maize stage Who signs a lease without knowing for sure who pays for heating costs? lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562322) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:39 AM Author: passionate crystalline old irish cottage wrinkle why do you always have landlords dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562338) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 2:28 AM Author: scarlet thriller home We are buying in a year or so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562428) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 4:00 PM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma yeah sure. I'm sure banks can't wait to loan to you. I mean it worked so well with Discover right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565175) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:53 AM Author: self-centered useless trailer park Landlord now thinks that all lawyers are this kike-ish and will never rent to one again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562369) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 2:20 AM Author: scarlet thriller home What's kikish about this? I'm just trying to follow the rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562418) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 8:53 AM Author: scarlet thriller home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45562773) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 9:58 AM Author: scarlet thriller home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45563114) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:02 PM Author: Drab talented antidepressant drug I’m betting there’s some other provision TSINAH is hiding from the board which contradicts his interpretation of clauses 1.5.2 and 1.5.3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45564901) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:06 PM Author: blue demanding temple roast beef Why not just skip all the crap and just stop paying rent again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45564923) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 3:59 PM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma no no, he's not like that. there's a reason he should not be forced to pay rent and he must document it. he is not at all doing this because he's a parasite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565165) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 4:09 PM Author: fragrant crackhouse lettuce $2600 a month should include gas especially if gas is in the landlords name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565227) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 4:58 PM Author: odious twinkling uncleanness Moral hazard, TSINAH would keep the place at 82. Landlords don’t pay gas unless you’re in a shitty efficiency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565431) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 5:52 PM Author: scarlet thriller home I keep the house at 68-72 except at night (65). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565682) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 5:51 PM Author: scarlet thriller home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565680) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 5:55 PM Author: ivory mildly autistic idiot incel this seems pretty clear cut - just direct his attention to the lease agreement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565694) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:26 PM Author: Angry jade filthpig business firm Cr. And act like this was the obvious understanding and play dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565808) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:27 PM Author: henna liquid oxygen garrison Clause 1.5.2 and how it works with clause 1.5.3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565813) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:29 PM Author: ivory mildly autistic idiot incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565818) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:41 PM Author: scarlet thriller home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565860) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 7:24 PM Author: Drab talented antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45566017) |
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Date: March 13th, 2023 11:14 PM Author: Copper nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#46048503) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:44 PM Author: dashing sanctuary roommate This had better all end with a good fart joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45565873) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 9:17 PM Author: rose athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45566470) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 9:15 PM Author: irradiated frozen love of her life friendly grandma REMINDER at the absolute degeneracy of this board in 2022. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45566467) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 10:11 PM Author: Hairraiser Bbw Property We need a script that prevents TSINAH from calling anyone else a pauper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45566643) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 10:40 PM Author: Turquoise crotch stead Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45566749) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 10:39 PM Author: charismatic chrome station That landlord’s name? Albert Einstein. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5244319&forum_id=2#45566745) |