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Humans went through a cannibalistic stage in our evolution that's rarely discuss

Here's a recent article that makes passing reference to this...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
My theory is that fuckers was hungry.
vengeful faggotry
  05/09/23
We got really good at killing other animals. We went from be...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
Oh lord, shitlibs are clearly coming for the theory that thi...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
"The study has limitations. With just one zigzag engrav...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
& probably will again
Cracking twinkling uncleanness
  05/09/23
Hey libs, for thousands of years people lived just like peop...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
Look at this fraud hit-piece: "In simpler terms, if ...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
Hey libs, scratch that last question: it turns out there was...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
Our cannibalistic past did not end until about a hundred yea...
jet-lagged reading party
  05/09/23
I'm talking about obligate cannibalism. We see this in a lot...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  05/09/23
Cannibalism, or ‘Clickbait’? A recent study o...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  07/02/23
Libs now say it was done as a sign of respect. https://ww...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  03/18/24
chimps pretty regularly engage in cannibalism, right? Seems...
Exciting mother hell
  03/18/24
John Locke actually discussed this not flame. He thought it ...
sticky sanctuary roast beef
  03/18/24
over a long enough time span, I could buy that happening
Exciting mother hell
  03/18/24


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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:18 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Here's a recent article that makes passing reference to this. The first sentence is literally "[a]rchaeologists have long known about our cannibalistic past, but why humans who lived thousands of years ago ate each other has been unclear."

It's actually not totally "unclear" though. I haven't read this article yet (I'm about to), but the theory I've always liked best was that brains were a good source of fat, and that fat was hard to come by for early hunters. Protein was not a problem, but we weren't getting enough fat in our diet unless we ate brains. People are a good source of brains if nothing else.

https://www.newsweek.com/2017/09/29/engraved-bones-cannibal-rituals-england-skull-cups-paleolithic-648882.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291378)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:28 PM
Author: vengeful faggotry

My theory is that fuckers was hungry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291407)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:32 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

We got really good at killing other animals. We went from being eaten by eagles to eating the livers of every animal in sight:

https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

The problem is that antelope don't have a lot of fat, and we had not yet domesticated any crops that had high fat content. There also wasn't a whole lot of fat available from wild sources except grubs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291422)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:24 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Oh lord, shitlibs are clearly coming for the theory that this was done for nutritional purposes. This whole article is a flim flam effort to rebut that.

"After filleting and consuming dead bodies, these groups stopped to inscribe a design on the bones before sucking out the marrow, and then using the skulls as cups. In other words, a new study confirms, the practice of consuming humans was almost certainly not just for their nutritional needs."

CONFIRMS they say. This CONFIRMS that it was "more than about nutritional needs." I guess if a family says "grace" before eating dinner, that means they aren't really hungry? Is that the chain of reasoning here libs? Or if an ancient chinese pot is elaborately painted with images of rice fields, that meant people weren't starving to death for lack of rice in anyone's recent memory? Libs feel free to describe the CERTAINTY you now feel about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291398)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:27 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

"The study has limitations. With just one zigzag engraving among more than 100 bone fragments discovered at the cave, researchers can't prove their theory. The cut marks may have been made by one person in an idle moment."

ONE goddamn bone fragment out of "hundreds" was chiseled with this pattern? This is the evidence that CONFIRMS that humans did not eat other humans to get scarce macronutrients?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291405)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:33 PM
Author: Cracking twinkling uncleanness

& probably will again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291425)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:36 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Hey libs, for thousands of years people lived just like people in The Road. You couldn't trust ANY stranger you encountered not to kill you and eat you. You don't have to imagine a post-apocalyptic scenario where we are reduced to cannibalism, just look at our pre-apocalyptic history. No it wasn't "ritualistic." It was like this for like 25k years IIRC, lmao@ this being like some church ceremony.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291439)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:45 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Look at this fraud hit-piece:

"In simpler terms, if you find human bones in human poo, marks on bones associated with cooking, bones that seem to have been pounded open or cut into with a tool, or bones scattered rather than neatly placed, you can confidently conclude 'cannibalism'.

In this case, the researchers were able to tick boxes 2-5, missing out on human bones in coprolite, or preserved faeces."

https://www.sciencealert.com/archaeologists-find-humans-were-on-the-menu-in-ancient-spain

Well what if you were going after the brains specifically? what if people weren't really in dire need of muscle tissue or even marrow? How would you detect that in calcified poopoo?

PS, libs, while we're on the topic, have you looked into how much fat these people were eating and where the fuck they were getting it from if not brains? These people didn't have milk/butter unless it came from another human.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291465)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 6:51 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Hey libs, scratch that last question: it turns out there was enough cannibalism to leave detectable traces on tooth enamel. That's not something you'd get if it was a once in blue moon thing. This tooth enamel analysis is like looking at tree rings. You can see what an animal ate over the course of its life. In this case the one thing that stands out about this dood's tooth is that he ate people. The rest is up for grabs, but they are saying he definitely ate people. It's in the title where they call it "cannibal tooth."

https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/418044-ancient-cannibal-tooth-provides-oldest-ever-evidence-of-human-ancestors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291476)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 7:20 PM
Author: jet-lagged reading party

Our cannibalistic past did not end until about a hundred years ago.. you could still get tincture of mummy in drug stores in America in the early 1900s... Bone appetit!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291569)



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Date: May 9th, 2023 7:25 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

I'm talking about obligate cannibalism. We see this in a lot of other species, there's nothing really "unnatural" about it. What's really a mystery is how much of our history required us to eat each other out of necessity with some regularity. I buy into fat theory. The papers that discuss this topic will often talk about the abundance of other prey as somehow being relevant without taking macronutrients into account. Where would you find a lot of fat if you were a proto-human in Africa? Grubs were probably the staple source I'm guessing, but what if there are no grubs around?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46291583)



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Date: July 2nd, 2023 4:21 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Cannibalism, or ‘Clickbait’?

A recent study offered the “oldest decisive evidence” that our ancient hominid ancestors ate one another. But the field has a long history of overstating such claims, other paleoanthropologists note.

A piece of skull fragment on a black background. The fragment has five teeth.

A 3,500-year-old skull fragment found in Gough’s Cave, England. Scholars believe it belonged to a cannibalized person.Credit...Universal History Archive/Universal Images Group, via Getty Images

A piece of skull fragment on a black background. The fragment has five teeth.

By Franz Lidz

Published July 1, 2023Updated July 2, 2023, 12:33 a.m. ET

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Everybody’s quick to see a cannibal. The Romans thought the ancient Britons feasted on human flesh, and the British thought the same about the Irish. Not a few prehistoric finds have been attributed, evocatively if not accurately, to the work of ancient cannibals. In 1871, Mark Twain commented on the discovery of the bones of a primeval man who purportedly had been made a meal of by his peers: “I ask the candid reader, Does not this look like taking advantage of a gentleman who has been dead two million years?”

In today’s scholar-eat-scholar world of paleoanthropology, claims of cannibalism are held to exacting standards of evidence. Which is why more than a few eyebrows were raised earlier this week over a study in Scientific Reports asserting that a 1.45-million-year-old fragment of shin bone — found 53 years ago in northern Kenya, and sparsely documented — was an indication that our human ancestors not only butchered their own kind, but were probably, as an accompanying news release put it, “chowing down” on them, too.

The news release described the finding as the “oldest decisive evidence” of such behavior. “The information we have tells us that hominids were likely eating other hominids at least 1.45 million years ago,” Briana Pobiner, a paleoanthropologist at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History and first author of the paper, said in the news release. “There are numerous other examples of species from the human evolutionary tree consuming each other for nutrition, but this fossil suggests that our species’ relatives were eating each other to survive further into the past than we recognized.”

The discovery of a portion of the presumed victim threw into relief one of the questions that keep paleoanthropologists up at night: When do marks on a bone indicate cannibalism? Or, put another way, How much premodern evidence is needed to prove a modern theory?

Dr. Pobiner, an authority on cut marks, had spied the half-tibia fossil six summers ago while examining hominid bones housed in a Nairobi museum vault. She was inspecting the fossil for bite marks when she noticed 11 thin slashes, all angled in the same direction and clustered around a spot where a calf muscle would have attached to the bone — the meatiest chunk of the lower leg, Dr. Pobiner said in an interview.

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The 1.45-million-year-old hominid tibia fragment recovered from northern Kenya a half-century ago and studied recently by Briana Pobiner of the Smithsonian Institution. The magnified area shows cut marks.

The 1.45-million-year-old hominid tibia fragment recovered from northern Kenya a half-century ago and studied recently by Briana Pobiner of the Smithsonian Institution. The magnified area shows cut marks.Credit...Jennifer Clark

The 1.45-million-year-old hominid tibia fragment recovered from northern Kenya a half-century ago and studied recently by Briana Pobiner of the Smithsonian Institution. The magnified area shows cut marks.

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A 3-D model of the shinbone showing two of the numerous marks identified as cut marks.

A 3-D model of the shinbone showing two of the numerous marks identified as cut marks.Credit...Michael Pante

A 3-D model of the shinbone showing two of the numerous marks identified as cut marks.

She sent molds of the scars to Michael Pante, a paleoanthropologist at Colorado State University and an author on the study, who made 3-D scans and compared the shape of the incisions with a database of 898 tooth, trample and butchery marks. The analysis indicated that nine of the markings were consistent with the kind of damage made by stone tools. Dr. Pobiner said that the placement and orientation of the cuts implied that flesh had been stripped from the bone. From those observations she extrapolated her cannibalism thesis.

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“From what we can tell, this hominin leg bone is being treated like other animals, which we presume are being eaten based on lots of butchery marks on them,” Dr. Pobiner said. “It makes the most sense to presume that this butchery was also done for the purpose of eating.”

In the study, Dr. Pobiner wrote that cannibalism was one possible explanation for the defleshed bone. But her quotes in the news release sounded more definitive and, to the chagrin of colleagues, inspired headlines such as “YABBA DABBA CHEW! Cavemen were butchering and eating each other 1.45 million years ago, scientists say.”

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Some experts praised the findings. “Thoughtful and perfectly pitched,” said James Cole, an archaeologist at the University of Brighton. Others called Dr. Pobiner’s case for prehistoric cannibalism overstated, if only because she offered no proof that the flesh had been eaten. “If they are butchery marks, we cannot be confident about cannibalism,” said Raphaël Hanon, a zooarchaeologist at University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg.

“Clickbait,” said Tim D. White, a paleoanthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley, who is best known for leading the team that discovered Ardipithecus ramidus, a 4.4 million-year-old likely human forebear. “Even if they are eventually demonstrated to be both ancient and real, the simple presence of ambiguous scratches on an isolated fossil bone is not sufficient evidence of cannibalism.”

More often that not, verification of the practice is open to doubt. “Archaeologists and physical anthropologists try hard to make their fields ‘real’ hard science, but the further back you go, the foggier the data gets,” said Peter Bullock, a retired chief archaeologist for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. “Cannibalism is usually the sexy interpretation, and one I spent a lot of energy discounting. Why not a murder victim or the result of an autistic humanoid doing self-harm? Prove that’s not possible.”

Controversy over ancient anthropophagy, or cannibalism, has raged in academia for more than a century. In 1925, Raymond Dart, an anatomist at the University of the Witwatersrand, announced the discovery of a partial skull of an apelike juvenile excavated from a quarry in the town of Taung. He named the prehuman species Australopithecus africanus — the southern ape of Africa.

Largely from the look of the skull, Dr. Dart deduced that the child had died from a heavy blow to the head, and concluded that at least some australopithecines were “confirmed killers: carnivorous creatures, that seized living quarries by violence, battered them to death, tore apart their broken bodies, dismembered them limb for limb, slaking their ravenous thirst with the hot blood of victims and greedily devouring livid writhing flesh.” Scientists now suspect that the so-called Taung Child, who died 2.8 million years ago, was killed by an eagle or another large predatory bird, citing puncture marks found at the bottom of the 3-year-old’s eye sockets.

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Excavations at Gran Dolina in the Atapuerca Mountains of Spain. The remains of 11 individuals who lived here some 800,000 years ago displayed distinctive signs of having been cannibalized.

Excavations at Gran Dolina in the Atapuerca Mountains of Spain. The remains of 11 individuals who lived here some 800,000 years ago displayed distinctive signs of having been cannibalized.Credit...Pablo Blazquez Dominguez/Getty Images

Excavations at Gran Dolina in the Atapuerca Mountains of Spain. The remains of 11 individuals who lived here some 800,000 years ago displayed distinctive signs of having been cannibalized.

Scholars have long debated whether to accept routine, habitual cannibalism in human prehistory, or to deny that it has ever occurred in the human family tree. “If you’re fighting for survival, which our ancestors did every single day, any source of nutrition would have been beneficial,” said Dr. Pante. The polemic intensified in 1979, when William Arens, a social anthropologist, argued in his book “The Man-Eating Myth: Anthropology and Anthropophagy” that there was almost no reliable historical and ethnographical evidence for the custom of cannibalism, except in isolated, dire emergencies.

“Cannibalism has a sporadic revival whenever there are no anthropologists to observe it,” Dr. Arens wrote. He asserted that pretty much all accounts of cannibalism are hearsay, a propaganda tool by scholars of the British Empire to help tame the ignoble savage.

“Not much of Arens’ book stands today,” said Dr. White, the paleoanthropologist, “but it proved a useful heuristic device for its time and a challenge to those interested in the nature and extent of cannibalism in the recent and deep past.” Perhaps the book’s most lasting influence, he added, was to compel academics to raise the standards of their evidence and scholarship.

Since then, clear proof of systematic cannibalism among hominids has emerged in the fossil record. The earliest confirmation was uncovered in 1994 in the Gran Dolina cave site of Spain’s Atapuerca Mountains. The remains of 11 individuals who lived some 800,000 years ago displayed distinctive signs of having been eaten, with bones displaying cuts, fractures where they had been cracked open to expose the marrow and human tooth marks.

Among our other evolutionary cousins now confirmed to have practiced cannibalism are Neanderthals, with whom humans overlapped, and mated, for thousands of years. A study published in 2016 reported that Neanderthal bones found in a cave in Goyet, Belgium, and dated to roughly 40,000 B.C. show signs of being butchered, split and used to sharpen the edges of stone tools. Patterns of bone-breakage in Homo antecessor, considered the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, suggest that cannibalism goes back a half-million years or more.

Dr. Pobiner’s bone fragment specimen was retrieved by Mary Leakey, a British paleoanthropologist, in the remote desert badlands just east of Lake Turkana, then called Lake Rudolf, without an archaeological context of the fauna that was observed at the time of discovery. “Were there other cut-marked bones?” Dr. White said. “Were there stone tools? Have the investigators tried to return to the site to find the other end of the tibia?” He maintained that those details are critical to providing accurate inferences about past events.

So, when do marks on a bone indicate prehistoric cannibalism? “On a single bone, never,” Dr. White said. “Demonstrating that the scratches were made by a hominid using a stone tool is a methodological challenge. The larger challenge is to demonstrate that such evidence has anything whatsoever to do with cannibalism.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#46502141)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

Libs now say it was done as a sign of respect.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26134780-500-our-human-ancestors-often-ate-each-other-and-for-surprising-reasons/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=echobox&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1709544314

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#47505897)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:51 PM
Author: Exciting mother hell

chimps pretty regularly engage in cannibalism, right? Seems like something obvious to do that you'd need a damn good reason to give up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#47505901)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:53 PM
Author: sticky sanctuary roast beef

John Locke actually discussed this not flame. He thought it was weird that we enslaved people but didn't farm them for meat. He also thought there were parts of Peru where people had kids just so they could eat them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#47505907)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:55 PM
Author: Exciting mother hell

over a long enough time span, I could buy that happening

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5337719&forum_id=2#47505912)