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SOCOM attrition rates published
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:08 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib *training attrition rate
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:10 PM Author: carnelian geriatric meetinghouse Poast/moniker synergy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46355941) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:11 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib How much attrition is just "yield protection" e.g. they're kicking out very high speed guys who will just move to another branch once they've punched their ticket? I think that if I joined the military I would be at risk of this because I'm such a physically/mentally strong candidate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46355948) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:48 PM Author: Hyperventilating wonderful marketing idea juggernaut This is not a significant attrition factor. SOF guys don't commonly switch branches (with the exception of Marines, because they get treated like shit by their CoC -- and even that is not especially prevalent).
Additionally, different selections are looking for different things, but afaik not one of them rejects people because they might have better options later. SOCOM would like far more SOF personnel than they can produce, which has led to lower attrition rates (especially for SFAS and the Q course) than cadre would prefer. There are plenty of examples of guys that probably should have made it who didn't, typically through shitty luck or cadre capriciousness, but I'm pretty confident that yield protection is not a driving factor in that. |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:26 PM Author: slippery institution death wish The 18X option functionally destroyed the SF pipeline. It’s nowhere near as elite as it was prior to that.
But with that being said, at least SF requires officers to have 3 years experience before selection, and Ranger Regiment requires a tour first as well. SEALs let officers commission directly into the MOS, which is part of why their selection process gets so wonky. If officers haven’t been forced to prove themselves somewhere first, they need to gut check them somehow. |
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Date: May 26th, 2023 9:13 AM Author: Hyperventilating wonderful marketing idea juggernaut It's funny you mention this. I had the chance to talk to an 18Z a few months ago who's been in since 2006, and he thinks the 18X program has overall been a good thing. He was JFKSWC cadre for a bit and he said upside was lots of high quality candidates to choose from, lots of guys with more overall life experience in the civilian world. Downside was that it's now a much longer process for non-18X dudes to get Q course dates, and SUT filters out a lot of otherwise great candidates because they could really benefit from line company time when it comes to basic stuff like PBO, machine gun theory, wheels and peels / controlling small elements, etc.
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:05 PM Author: carnelian geriatric meetinghouse You’re a Dick-sucking ass fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356132) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:06 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib Wow you're super mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356135) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:30 PM Author: carnelian geriatric meetinghouse Choke on a turd bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356220) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:12 PM Author: Scarlet yarmulke plaza That's exactly what's going on here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356151) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:15 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib THanks glad a real expert chimed in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356166) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:11 PM Author: glittery irate half-breed surprised at the attrition rate for SEALs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46355946) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:11 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib that's in BUD/S (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46355949) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:52 PM Author: slippery institution death wish Damn. SEAL officers are less culled than Army CA lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356096) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:53 PM Author: Hyperventilating wonderful marketing idea juggernaut It's incredibly difficult to even get into their pipeline. I know dude who got dropped for not meeting physical standards and he was in really impressive shape. They have such a low attrition rate because they are already heavily pre-selected at several phases before ever reaching BUD/S. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356101) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:00 PM Author: slippery institution death wish Lol. Check out page 18. SEALs are a bunch of quitters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356119) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:05 PM Author: Hyperventilating wonderful marketing idea juggernaut In my estimation, it's easily the most brutal entry level selection. I'm not surprised by those numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356131) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:21 PM Author: slippery institution death wish Every selection that you haven’t gone through sounds harder than the ones you have.
Remember basic training? Remember how everyone who went through basic would describe it like you spent 100% of your time being smoked, going through the gas chamber without a mask, rucking marathons, and shooting targets until you were a black-ops sniper. Then when you got there, 99% of your time was spent standing at attention in formation, mopping barracks floors, and doing the weakest PT you’ve done since middle school PhyEd class.
I’m sure RASP I was the same way. Ranger School was the same way. It’s in the interests of every pipeline graduate to make their pipeline sound superhuman. In reality, humans have to make it through these schools, and the humans entering the military aren’t as elite as they make themselves out to be.
Plus each pipeline/schoolhouse has their own factor they are optimizing for. BUD/S is famously physical, plus you’re cold and wet, but you get plenty of food and it’s not mentally challenging. Ranger School is spent starving and sleepless, but you’re just rucking. SFAS is notorious for being physically easier than Ranger School but requiring perfection on memorizing and performing small unit tactics, as well as being the most intellectually challenging. What’s challenging for one guy is not going to be the thing that challenges another. |
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Date: May 26th, 2023 9:20 AM Author: Hyperventilating wonderful marketing idea juggernaut Probably true to some degree, but I think the BUD/S attrition rate speaks for itself, especially given how physically difficult it is to get a BUD/S contract in the first place.
Only pipeline that seems harder is the AFSOC CCT pipeline -- two years, same pool PT as PJs, some difficult comms courses, and then all of the SUT stuff on top of that. |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:06 PM Author: Charismatic dun twinkling uncleanness This is true. Extremely difficult to get an officer slot at BUDS. That's part of the reason there are so many enlisted seals with college degrees. Also a lot (can't remember the % but it's high) of officer candidates come from the naval academy, and they screen the ever living shit out of the officers they send and the naval academy dudes have a really high pass rate IIRC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356532) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:56 PM Author: anal bawdyhouse since that NYT article came out I think all SEAL bros are juiced out of their minds now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356105) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:16 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib Interesting report, after the Yale guy turned blue and stopped breathing no one did CPR because no one knew how (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356170) |
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Date: May 26th, 2023 9:07 AM Author: Hyperventilating wonderful marketing idea juggernaut Yeah, this is fucking unbelievable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46357304) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:32 PM Author: Scarlet yarmulke plaza Explain MARSOC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356233) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM Author: Lemon house crotch Officer 5 year retention is low across the whole military because most only do it for a few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356315) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:49 PM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib The figures cited are five year rolling averages of attrition during BUD/S training (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356321) |
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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:26 PM Author: Cracking jew brunch I think I would've been happier in life if I did that for a few years then worked as a cop and retired at 40 and moved to Russia to live off my pension and write propaganda for russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46356604) |
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Date: May 26th, 2023 8:52 AM Author: Soul-stirring Aggressive Degenerate I’m pretty sure that at 18 I thought you needed to get a Fake white collar job to make any money and that real jobs where you do shit paid like $27k max in 1999 dollars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46357248) |
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Date: May 26th, 2023 8:15 AM Author: aromatic honey-headed range shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345948&forum_id=2#46357161) |