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Date: October 19th, 2023 4:38 PM Author: Curious home
Wait it's illegal to send a scout to your opponent's games? Wtf that's asinine
I'm on team Harbaugh
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46957724) |
Date: October 19th, 2023 9:01 PM Author: Magenta lay generalized bond
What's a neutral knowledgeable take on this?
Even if true, this seems way less problematic than than the Astros.
Like its legal to find the signals on video (which is provided to everyone), but you can't send one person to be one of the 60,000 people in the crowd?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46958922) |
Date: October 19th, 2023 9:03 PM Author: cruel-hearted effete toilet seat water buffalo
The rules say you cannot scout future opponents IRL and it seems like they have evidence of Michigan coaches/people associated with the team doing exactly this. Him claiming he was "unaware" and didn't direct it isn't going to pass muster.
Bill Belichick 2.0.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46958925) |
Date: October 20th, 2023 11:01 AM Author: Mauve Stain Box Office
Michigan has a shocking and unprecedented 180 (not in the XO sense) turnaround in their program.
Now we know why
Stupid rule, maybe. But it's clear it actually does help and provides an advantage.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46960584) |
Date: October 20th, 2023 11:53 AM Author: Orchid Laughsome Sandwich Twinkling Uncleanness
seems to be a big difference between *scouting* and *sign stealing*
scouting would mean that the opposing coaches know that when Ohio State is in this formation, in this down and distance, and put that man in motion, they always run play X.
sign stealing, meaning that when a sideline coach shouts Arkansas that means its the cardboard sign held by player 10, and if that cardboard sign has a picture of Lee Corso, its their fake punt play.
Iow, intentionally intercepting communications from opposing coaches to opposing players seems wrong as fuck and should be banned.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46960843) |
Date: October 23rd, 2023 3:22 PM Author: big flushed abode
Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the last three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.
It's uncertain who was funding the purchases. Stallions makes $55,000 per year, according to the University of Michigan's Website. But the operation included thousands of dollars in ticket sales and the cost of travel to the stadiums.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38727023/u-m-staffer-bought-tickets-11-schools
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46972693)
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Date: October 24th, 2023 9:59 PM Author: Magenta lay generalized bond
The whole thing seems a little silly. "Oh he bought tickets to this game"...along with literally 100,000 other people.
I understand there is a rule against it, but ESPN is treating this like its some major scandal which is bigger than the fact that the #1 NCAA basketball team killed someone last year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46978902) |
Date: October 25th, 2023 1:04 PM Author: big flushed abode
Stalions claimed to have a Google document between 550 and 600 pages long that he managed daily, containing a blueprint for the Wolverines’ future. He referred the document as a movement more than a plan, dubbing it “the Michigan Manifesto.”
https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/25/michigan-connor-stalions-texts-stolen-signals
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46981335) |
Date: October 25th, 2023 7:42 PM Author: thirsty bateful persian reading party
lol they're fucked. They have the payments, the people being sent, video of the guy right next to all the coaches, video of their reactions to any signals being used.
Only question is if they get decimated this year or if it waits until after the year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46983402) |
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Date: October 26th, 2023 10:28 PM Author: Black party of the first part corner
“Most recently, the Washington Post reported Wednesday that an outside investigative firm first tipped off the NCAA last week to Michigan’s sign-stealing scheme, presenting officials with documents uncovered from computers maintained and accessed by UM coaches that outlined the system, including travel schedules and expenses for future trips.”
What do we think this ‘outside investigative firm’ is? And how did they have access to provide these tips?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46988698)
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Date: October 29th, 2023 7:29 PM Author: big flushed abode
CONTRACT MASTER MEN: Michigan withdraws its contract extension offer from Harbaugh.
https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/jim-harbaugh-michigan-contract-sign-stealing-21d5e1b6
The Wolverines’ title chase this year put him in line for another raise. Michigan recently had made an offer that would have made Harbaugh the highest-paid coach in the Big Ten, before the school pulled it once the sign-stealing allegations rocked the school, the person said.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#46996919) |
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Date: October 31st, 2023 1:04 PM Author: cruel-hearted effete toilet seat water buffalo
HaHaHa!
There is NO CHANCE Harbaugh survives this.
Was a Friday night game. Michigan played on Sat at home.
Poor Central Michigan coach is probably going to get fucked over this too.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#47003760) |
Date: November 1st, 2023 2:41 PM Author: big flushed abode
NCAA literally targeting Harbaugh lmao, with how it amended Bylaw 11.2.1.1 and how it interacts with Bylaw 9.2
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/even-if-unaware-jim-harbaugh-can-be-held-responsible-by-ncaa-for-michigan-sign-stealing-scandal/
Even if Jim Harbaugh knew nothing about the ongoing sign-stealing scandal at Michigan, the Wolverines coach could be held responsible, according to a newly altered NCAA rule.
A semantic change in the NCAA's coach responsibility bylaw all but assures Harbaugh will be found culpable if evidence is found of wrongdoing in the case involving analyst Connor Stalions.
The language in Bylaw 11.2.1.1 was changed in January. Previously, the rule stated a head coach "is presumed to be held responsible for the actions of all institutional staff members." It was changed to read, "a head coach shall be held responsible for their actions and the actions of all institutional staff members."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5430916&forum_id=2#47008116) |
Date: November 2nd, 2023 1:03 PM Author: Mind-boggling insecure office
Weird how Michigan started doing a lot better once this cheating scheme started.
Michigan fans better hope they win it all this year because some really lean years are about to follow.
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Date: November 4th, 2023 4:08 PM Author: pearl learning disabled becky shrine
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Date: November 6th, 2023 2:25 PM Author: big flushed abode
Depends on how deep the conspiracy theory hole you go.
1. Was he working up a proof of concept for better way to steal signs at field level as opposed to up in stands (seems weird).
2. Several former Michigan staffers are on CMU staff, they knew Stalions, did one of them say "yeah cool hyuk hyuk come watch Sparty."
3. Some shots with the right glare suggest he's wearing Ray Bans with a camera lens in the upper right corner.
https://twitter.com/LateKickJosh/status/1719492426182598889
I mean I don't buy (3) but... this story is hilarious lmao
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Date: November 6th, 2023 4:30 PM Author: Charismatic tan hospital bbw
i think the videos could be helpful with many hours of post-game analysis.
basically after every game, i assume stallions made an excel sheet listing each play and then had columns for each signal observed in a video, whether it was a hand signal from a backup qb or a sign with a picture of an nba player. then he'd look for patterns between the plays and the signs. he'd have to figure out which signals were dummies and which were real. with enough plays across enough games, it would be possible to identify some subset of signs and what they mean.
then he made a play sheet for gameday that summarized sign-to-play relationships. he'd look at the signs used across the field and see if they fell into previously recognized patterns. and if he felt confident about run or pass or screen or whatever, he'd let the DC know.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 2:59 PM Author: drab temple
Your poast was retarded so I responded in kind.
The NCAA penalty will be next to nothing. If the B1G is retarded enough to do something on its own UM has a TRO ready to go.
I would say there was no measurable benefit that UM gained from Stalions. Every program steals signs. Some programs, against B1G and NCAA rules, collude with each other to share what they've found out about upcoming opponents. Others go as far as to try to film other teams' practices. The net benefit of all of it is minimal to nothing. If there was anything of substance to be gained by sign stealing then teams would all use wristbands or the NCAA would have put mics in helmets 20 years ago. It's all nonsense.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 11:20 AM Author: drab temple
14-7 at half, UM outgains Rutgers by almost 200 yards and pulls starters in 4th quarter.
Sounds pretty similar to last week's OSU Rutgers Game?
I know you're an OSU alum but you can't be dumb enough to want to compare these two teams on eye test this year.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 10:39 AM Author: big flushed abode
Property records indicate that he purchased a $485,000 house near the Michigan campus in Ann Arbor in March 2022, shortly before his stint with the Marines ended. Not long after he moved in that spring, dozens of old vacuum cleaners appeared on his front porch. The unsightly stash peeved neighbors and sparked the interest of the homeowners association, which sued Stalions for allegedly operating an appliance refurbishing business out of his home in violation of its bylaws.
Stalions fought back and represented himself in Washtenaw County Trial Court. In a letter written in response to a summons in October 2022, he wrote:
“I suspect that whoever has chosen to sue me either 1. doesn’t like the fact that I am a veteran; or 2. is a Michigan State fan and knows I am a Michigan football coach and wants to draw my attention away.” He had one Spartans fan in mind—“someone named Jeff” who lived down the street and had a son attending Michigan State.
“He uncomfortably questioned me about Michigan football and what goes on in our building, giving me a bad feeling about him. He definitely seemed like someone who wants to distract me with unnecessary time-consuming things like this,” Stalions wrote.
Stalions said that he continued keeping long hours through the summer and fall of 2022, often spending “all 24 hours in the day at Schembechler Hall.” Before the Penn State game in October, he wrote that he slept there for two straight weeks.
As for the lawsuit, Stalions admitted to starting a limited liability company to sell restored items on Amazon, but said that he kept his inventory in a nearby storage unit. A judge ruled against him and ordered him to stop whatever business he was apparently running.
And those vacuums? Stalions sold many on Amazon with underwhelming results—several buyers complained of defective units with missing parts—that earned him a seller rating of 2.8 out of five stars.
https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/michigan-sign-stealing-connor-stalions-jim-harbaugh-776ecc37
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Date: November 7th, 2023 12:10 PM Author: drab temple
Who is you guys? Stalions and his parents? Yes, all his bullshit didn't do anything.
The stuff about OSU changing signs was reported everywhere. check your own shithole blogs like 11 warriors for it.
Last year in the B1G championship game UM knew that Purdue had their signs. You know what UM did? They went to fucking wristbands, in the middle of the game. This is what you do when you think someone has your signs. It's really fucking easy.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 12:37 PM Author: drab temple
I remember what they did to Tressel, who straight-up lied, multiple times, to the NCAA so that half his team didn't lose eligibility for the year. He'd get fired for that shit today.
Yes, the NCAA now holds a head coach accountable for anything and everything. Doesn't change the fact that, in reality, Harbaugh had no idea about Stalions. But honestly, who gives a fuck about the NCAA? It's completely toothless; just look at the recent Tennessee or UNC scandals. And yeah, had tattoogate happened today, Tressel would have had no need to lie about it and nothing would have happened.
If there's anything of consequence coming it will be from the B1G in the next day or two. And as far as that goes, I have no idea. Pettiti may very well suspend Harbuagh for the rest of the season.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 12:18 PM Author: big flushed abode
Okay, so basically what we know is this:
Stalions is one of these "Michigan Men" with some kind of autism and Bill Simmons OMG Sporth! pipe dreams. He figures out that sign stealing is great and figures out he's good at solving it. He then figures out he just needs to flagrantly violated a couple of rules--he live scouts and he records signs. This is a five-figure a year operation with a network of 60-ish people (just locals he hits up) to go to the game and record the sideline the whole time. The autist even sneaks onto the field at Central Michigan because one of his bros at Michigan is now a Chip and lets him do it. Meanwhile, he's autistically planning a 600 page manifesto, dreaming he can be the next Mike Leach as a non-FB bro to run a program, while "unlocking" the "secret sauce."
So the real key here is, how much did he tell? He clearly got repaid for all this shit, so did he just lie on receipts as "recruiting visits" and hope he wasn't caught? Did the coaches around him just assume, "Man it's military shit and this guy can see it at the beginning of the game and scraps of what he sees on the All 22 tape and the autist solves it all"? Or, did some of the coaches know, to some generic level of sketch, that shit was going down but they didn't want details? And what level of this shit before Harbaugh "lacks institutional control" or whatever bullshit phrase it is to get punished?
It's clearly an edge (degree to which unknown), but shocking circumstantial evidence that it's big (they go from 2-4 to one of the best teams in the country overnight; they cover the spread in 80%+ of B1G games; they get blown out in the CFP when teams switch signals).
Whatever, they'll probably run the table and get sodomized by Georgia in January who cares lmao.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 12:50 PM Author: Charismatic tan hospital bbw
funny to see the first signals published publicly are stolen michigan signals from 2020-2022
https://twitter.com/RJ_cfb/status/1721934657132900552?s=20
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Date: November 8th, 2023 1:39 AM Author: Multi-colored internal respiration lodge
My hope for this resolution:
1. With all this controversy, Michigan has the feel of a national championship team. I can already see the 30s for 30s. I hope that doesn't happen so Michigan continues its 70 run of title futility just for the lulz.
2. I hope Harbaugh and the program gets a slap on the wrist punishment as I expect so everyone hates them.
3. I hope their performance drastically drops off to how it was before they started cheating so everyone thinks the last 2 years of success was only because of the cheating.
It could all happen!
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Date: November 8th, 2023 3:51 PM Author: big flushed abode
Strength of schedule:
Marshall 108
Georgia Southern 109
App State 110
Michigan 111
Buffalo 112
UTEP 113
Old Dominion 114
James Madison 115
One is ranked #2 in AP, one is ranked #21.
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Date: November 9th, 2023 12:42 PM Author: Charismatic tan hospital bbw
a scholar speaks: https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/sign-stealing-and-the-antitrust-laws/
As anyone who follows college football is aware, the University of Michigan is under investigation from the NCAA and Big 10 Conference for “sign stealing”—gathering information on future opponents’ play signals. Given Michigan’s national title aspirations, the potential for sanctions is obviously bad news. Michigan has now fired back with evidence that three other Big 10 teams—Rutgers, Ohio State, and Purdue—shared Michigan’s signs. Tu quoque aside, it turns out that sign stealing isn’t prohibited by NCAA rules. Rather, the issue is whether Michigan (or other teams) violated NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1 that prohibits “off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season).”
Before turning to the antitrust issues raised by enforcement of that rule, let me make it clear that, although I am employed by the University of Michigan, I do not represent it. These comments are solely my personal opinion. Further, although I of course don’t want Michigan to be penalized, I also would not want the Maize and Blue, or anyone else, to get away with cheating. Fair is fair, and foul is foul.
But the “cheating” question goes to the core of the antitrust issue. As already mentioned, there apparently isn’t any rule about gathering intelligence on an opponent’s signs. If a school can do that by reading lips from a TV screen, more power to them. The relevant rule isn’t about the integrity of the game like 11 men on the field or ineligible receivers. According to MLive, the rule was adopted in 1994 “as a cost-cutting measure designed to promote equity for programs that couldn’t afford to send scouts to other games.” In other words, if Michigan has cheated, it has cheated on a financial rule rather than one concerning the game itself.
Enter antitrust law. In recent years, NCAA rules that limit economic competition by member schools have been in serious antitrust trouble. In 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously held that the NCAA’s enforcement of rules limiting member school compensation of student athletes up to the full cost of their education violates Section 1 of the Sherman Act. National Collegiate Athletic Ass’n v. Alston, 141 S. Ct. 2141 (2021). Six years earlier, the Ninth Circuit reached a similar decision regarding NCAA’s restrictions on student athlete name, image, and likeness rights. O’Bannon v. National Collegiate Athletic Ass’n, 802 F.3d 1049 (9th Cir. 2015). In the more distant past, the Supreme Court held that NCAA limitations on television broadcasting violated the Sherman Act. National Collegiate Athletic Assn. v. Board of Regents of Univ. of Okla., 468 U.S. 85 (1984). The common thread of these cases is that NCAA rules that limit member schools from freely determining how to allocate their resources can run afoul of the antitrust laws, even if (or perhaps because) those rules are designed to achieve intercollegiate economic parity.
To the extent that Bylaw 11.6.1 is intended to prevent schools from competing economically by determining how much to spend on their athletic programs, it runs squarely into Alston, O’Bannon, and Board of Regents. The NCAA or Big 10 might have a shot at justifying the rule as equalizing economic expenditures among member schools in order to promote competitive balance. The NCAA has made such arguments in the past, and in O’Bannon the Ninth Circuit accepted that promoting competitive balance may be a legitimate procompetitive justification in theory. The problem is that the courts have rejected the competitive balance justification in practice. See, Alston, 141 S. Ct. at 2152 (observing that NCAA had unsuccessfully attempted to justify its player compensation rules as promoting competitive balance); O’Bannon, 802 F.3d at 1072 (“We [] accept the district court’s factual findings that the compensation rules do not promote competitive balance.”). Anyone trying to justify Bylaw 11.6.1 as promoting competitive balance will have an uphill climb.
This is a bad time for the NCAA or Big 10 to be rattling antitrust cages. The courts are already grumpy with NCAA rules that limit economic competition, and the Justice Department has shown a heightened interest in antitrust issues in sports. The sign stealing scandal may be fodder for either jokes or righteous (hypocritical?) indignation for now, but it could unleash something that no one in the NCAA or Big 10 would want. Caveat emptor.
Daniel A. Crane is the Richard W. Pogue Professor of Law at the University of Michigan Law School.
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Date: November 10th, 2023 3:35 PM Author: big flushed abode
Sources: The Big Ten is expected discipline Michigan for the in the in-person scouting and ongoing sign stealing investigation and will prohibit Jim Harbaugh from being on the sideline until the conclusion of the regular season. He will be allowed to coach during the week.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1723075635185373448
lmao this is going to get TROed so fast and Michigan fans will be in win/win mode: beat Day without Harbaugh and gloat, lost to Day without Harbaugh and complain it's because B1G interfered.
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Date: November 10th, 2023 3:52 PM Author: big flushed abode
https://bigten.org/documents/2023/11/10//Correspondence_from_conference_to_institution_dated_Nov_10_2023.pdf?id=9450
Notably, the University’s November 8 response does not deny that the impermissible
scheme occurred. Instead, it offers only procedural and technical arguments designed to delay
accountability. The University also argues that because it believes that others are engaged in
decoding signs, there must be nothing wrong with the University’s activities. In addition to
impermissible activities of others being currently unsupported by facts, the University’s
culpability is not dependent on the actions of other institutions. Those assertions are more fully
addressed in Sections III and V below.
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Date: November 10th, 2023 5:08 PM Author: Diverse self-centered volcanic crater hall
The conference has a handbook the provides a lot of procedure before the commissioner can issue a punishment and a short sportsmanship policy that allows the commissioner to issue a punishment without a lot of required process. UM says the conference needs to follow the full slate of handbook processes. The conference says the sportsmanship policy provides the necessary authority without requiring it to go through the full process.
The conference is probably right here. I don't see how UM wins the TRO motion. Next time, don't agree to give a petty tyrant all that authority if you're going to get mad when he uses it.
Here's the sportsmanship policy. Any MFEs see a way around this for UM?
https://bigten.org/documents/2022/11/23/2022_23_Big_Ten_Handbook_Sportsmanship.pdf
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Date: November 11th, 2023 7:57 AM Author: Diverse self-centered volcanic crater hall
Complaint and motion are available here: https://www.on3.com/news/read-jim-harbaugh-michigans-complaint-against-the-big-ten/
The argument that the sportsmanship policy allows punishment only of Stallions or UM, not of Harbaugh, is somewhat persuasive and could win UM its TRO.
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Date: November 15th, 2023 6:24 PM Author: cruel-hearted effete toilet seat water buffalo
Very interesting that Harbaugh hasn't said 1 word about how he condemns what Connor Stalions did or is embarrassed by it.
I wonder why that would be. Seems like it would be an obvious thing to say.
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Date: November 16th, 2023 3:25 PM Author: big flushed abode
SIXIGAN LOLYERS roll over, give up.
https://x.com/ralphDrussoAP/status/1725248011553386757?s=20
The good news for them is B1G will stop investigating, but NCAA is still the big dog here.
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Date: November 17th, 2023 11:35 AM Author: big flushed abode
Michigan leaders were presented new evidence this week in the NCAA's investigation into its advance scouting scheme, sources tell @DanWetzel
& me.
The materials, presumably, have altered its approach. UM dropped legal action vs Big Ten. Today, it fired assistant Chris Partridge
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1725552752460197893
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Date: November 17th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: big flushed abode
Michigan athletics donor Tim Smith denies his involvement in the NCAA’s investigation into the university’s advance scouting scheme and believes that those in power are searching for a “scapegoat” to blame, he tells Yahoo Sports.
Smith, a Michigan alum and CEO of a Detroit-based engineering solutions company, said fans and university associates are identifying him as the Michigan booster who allegedly helped fund former UM staff member Connor Stalions’ in-person scouting and sign-stealing scheme. Yahoo Sports reported earlier Friday that evidence from the NCAA’s investigation, presented this week to Michigan, refers to an athletics donor — “Uncle T” — as having partially funded Stalions’ venture.
“I can give you good news,” Smith said during a 30-minute phone call with Yahoo Sports. “I don’t recognize being known as ‘Uncle T’ and I will refute that myself. I never funded Connor. To say I knew him is perhaps overstating it. I said hi to him. I’ve spoken to him more since he left Michigan to make sure the young man is OK.”
Smith is being targeted, along with Stalions, as a “fall guy” in the NCAA’s probe into the school, Smith said. Both of them are being “thrown under the bus,” he said. On Friday morning, for instance, officials from the school’s name, image and likeness collective, Champions Circle, dismissed Smith as a member, he tells Yahoo Sports.
He received the notification in text form.
“They didn’t even have the balls to call me,” he said.
They evicted him from the group “because they said that this could bring bad light to other members of the Champions Circle,” Smith said.
Smith has spoken to Stalions multiple times since he resigned from the university after news of the scheme emerged. Smith said that the two are not close and that he knew him “as well as any other staff person” in the university’s football program.
Stalions self-funded the sign-stealing effort by selling a home for more than $100,000, Smith said Stalions told him.
The alleged scheme in which Stalions operated has been described as an elaborate, multi-year system in which he bought tickets to games involving future Michigan opponents and then had associates — as many as 65, per the NCAA’s investigation — attend games to video a team’s play-call signals.
“People don’t understand why he would do it,” Smith said. “He paid his own way. It meant a lot to him and he was trying to do whatever he could (for Michigan).”
Smith said Stalions worked at the university long before he officially became an employee in 2022. Stalions, a graduate of the Naval Academy, paid his own way for flights to and from Ann Arbor in the preceding years before his full-time employment.
“He was taking leave (from the military),” Smith said. “He told me it was all him (paying for the scheme). That’s what he told me.
“I think there are people wanting to throw some people under the bus. ‘It’s all Connor and someone else!’ If Uncle T is me, I’m not aware that it is me.”
An online biography of Smith notes that he graduated from Michigan’s Ross School of Business and has over 30 years of successful international business experience in global automotive, technology and defense industries. He is currently CEO of Osirius Group, a company that provides automotive engineering solutions, defense security project design information technology optimization and cyber security and innovation services.
Smith and wife Jocelyn are longtime Michigan supporters, so much that Smith’s first words, the biography notes, were “Go Blue!”
Well before Yahoo Sports’ story published, Smith received a phone call Thursday night from his attorney asking if he was the now-infamous “Uncle T.”
Thursday was a busy day in Ann Arbor. The school dropped its legal action against the Big Ten over coach Jim Harbaugh’s three-game suspension when new evidence emerged, including the existence of “Uncle T” as well as the issue around linebackers coach Chris Partridge. Michigan fired Partridge on Friday, minutes before Yahoo Sports reported that the coach is believed to have destroyed evidence around the investigation. Smith said he’s been made aware that Partridge “told people not to talk,” as it related to the investigation.
On Thursday, Smith’s attorney was “being led to believe that, perhaps, there are some trying to create a fall guy narrative and maybe Uncle T was… My attorney called me and asked, ‘Is that f****** you?”
Smith has not spoken to anyone at Michigan or the NCAA about the investigation but would be happy to do so, he said. He said he has nothing to hide and he remains convinced that Stalions’ scheme broke no rules.
“If you read the rules, it’s not at all clear that any rules were broken,” Smith said.
https://sports.yahoo.com/michigan-booster-tim-smith-denies-being-uncle-t-who-allegedly-funded-connor-stalions-sign-stealing-scheme-202933063.html
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Date: January 16th, 2024 9:53 AM Author: big flushed abode
CONTRACT MASTERMEN THIS IS UR MOMENT
https://sports.yahoo.com/jim-harbaugh-remains-engaged-in-contract-talks-with-michigan-amid-nfl-swirl-142158946.html
Even as Jim Harbaugh meets with NFL teams about coaching opportunities, specifically the Los Angeles Chargers early this week, he remains engaged in discussions with Michigan about a contract extension that includes unusual termination clauses should he choose to stay in Ann Arbor, according to industry sources.
Specifically, sources said Harbaugh is seeking language that would grant him immunity from termination from any finding or sanction that could arise from multiple current NCAA investigations into the football program.
Harbaugh is also seeking a delay in the start date of the new contract to maintain a lower buyout that NFL teams would have to pay Michigan to hire him away. The buyout in his current contract dropped from $2.25 million to $1.5 million on January 11. Michigan is seeking that to rise to about $4 million in a new deal. Harbaugh has sought to have the new deal not start until Feb. 15, thus maintaining the lower, and more favorable, buyout number until after the NFL hiring cycle has concluded.
Harbaugh is seeking a matrix of fines be spelled out if there are any future NCAA violations as well as prohibiting the school’s athletic director from firing him “for cause” and instead having that decision, should it ever arise, rest in a three-member arbitration panel, sources said.
Harbaugh led Michigan to a 15-0, national championship season just over a week ago. He is a hot coaching commodity in the NFL, where he spent 14 seasons as a player and four as a coach (2011-14), leading San Francisco to a 44-19-1 record and a Super Bowl appearance.
Michigan has already offered to make Harbaugh the highest-paid coach in college football via a guaranteed six-year deal worth $11.5 million annually. There would be additional performance-based bonuses.
While the financial terms between the coach and the school are either fully or mostly ironed out, the termination language remains a sticking point.
Harbaugh and the football program are currently the subject of multiple NCAA infractions cases.
In December, the NCAA charged Harbaugh with a Level I violation for allegedly being less than forthcoming with investigators when questioned about a series of Level II violations incurred in 2020 and 2021. Additionally, the NCAA continues to investigate allegations of advanced scouting for the purpose of sign stealing that involves former staffer Connor Stalions.
Harbaugh served a school-issued three-game suspension to start the 2023 season for the first case. Meanwhile, the Big Ten suspended Harbaugh for the final three games of the regular season for the latter. More sanctions, and suspensions, are possible in both situations from the NCAA.
Harbaugh has sought to have his contract grant him immunity from termination for any violation stemming from those cases. It additionally spells out any penalty he may face should the NCAA rule him responsible in any future case. That would include specific fine amounts for any Level I or Level II violation.
He is also seeking to have any decision involving “for cause” termination — whether for NCAA violations or anything else — to be determined by a three-member arbitration panel rather than the school’s athletic director, a role currently held by Warde Manuel. Traditionally, for-cause termination of a coach would be determined by his direct supervisor. The athletic director would still be able to fire him for performance-related issues.
The arbitration panel is a system used by the university's president. It is common in university executive contracts, but not with coaches, according to numerous college administrators.
Harbaugh, 60, has spent nine years at his alma mater. Michigan has gone 86-25 during that stretch, including 30-3 the last three seasons when it won three Big Ten titles and made three College Football Playoff appearances. It defeated Washington last week for the school’s first national title since 1997.
The Chargers stated it interviewed Harbaugh for its head coaching position on Monday. Talks may continue into Tuesday, per industry sources. Seven NFL jobs are currently open, with speculation of potential openings still occurring in Dallas and Philadelphia.
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