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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:16 PM Author: opaque kitty location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071764) |
Date: November 18th, 2023 4:18 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band any foreign policymo who was against the Ukraine bullshit is going to be fairly cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071769) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:28 PM Author: opaque kitty location he predicted the Ukraine war years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071798) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:53 PM Author: Contagious orchestra pit What does he argue against re: Ukraine? I thought his point was that Russia was acting 1) in accordance with realist principles and 2) in response to US/NATO expansion, not that the US shouldn’t now involve itself.
And even though he says NATO’s eastward expansion led to the war, does he actually take the step to say NATO shouldn’t have expanded? He seems more descriptive than prescriptive whenever I see him speak. |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:54 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band he constantly says it shouldn't have expanded and that this was a predictable result (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071885) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:00 PM Author: Contagious orchestra pit I’ve seen him say second point, not the first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071905) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:04 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band he regularly cites the statements from the 90's and says Bush was a retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071917) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:08 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested some random poster is pwning you repeatedly and you’re too stupid to realize it
Lmao |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:27 PM Author: Contagious orchestra pit He cites both those things to support his thesis that the Russian invasion is NATO’s fault, but isn’t that different than saying NATO was wrong to expand? In any event I don’t know how a realist goes about apportioning “blame” for a war without losing his realist status. Aren’t all countries operating under amoral, power maximizing calculations at all times?
Do you think NATO expanding eastward aligns with Mearsheimer’s theory of offensive realism or do you think NATO’s expansion shows the theory is wrong? |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:34 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested don’t hold your breath waiting for Chang, I mean hank, to answer any of these questions. all he knows how to do is regurgitate vatnik talking points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072253) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:36 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band this is ridiculous, of course he is saying that NATO should not have expanded as it yields no benefit and starts a costly war that was entirely avoidable, no one has yet stated a single benefit of NATO expansion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072255) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:36 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072258) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:40 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band still nothing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072277) |
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Date: November 19th, 2023 1:52 AM Author: Crawly Diverse Bawdyhouse For Jews, Russia did terrible things to their grandparents and great grandparents. NATO expansion is revenge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47073376) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:21 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081055) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:36 PM Author: impertinent saffron hospital pozpig his work with walt on the israel lobby was great and he's been largely correct with regard to how the ukraine conflict would play out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071812) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:44 PM Author: Rebellious Alcoholic State Cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071834) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:47 PM Author: Dashing slap-happy rehab lol no he thought Russia would take over the country easily (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071843) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:48 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071848) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:49 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band I recall him saying that the russian invasion force was obviously too small to even contemplate that but they could easily win in the end (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071859) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:52 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested so he was right about the first part and wrong about the second (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071873) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:53 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band they are winning and never went all in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071881) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:56 PM Author: Rebellious Alcoholic State Cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071893) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:02 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested why won’t they go all in? it’s existential for them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071909) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band because they never wanted to conquer and occupy Ukraine, they wanted to destabilize it politically and push back NATO, job done so far, the West is already sick of this and will not be continuing past the election cycle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071912) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:06 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested Lmao
Date: November 18th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: hank_scorpio
because they never wanted to conquer and occupy Ukraine, they wanted to destabilize it politically and push back NATO, job done so far, the West is already sick of this and will not be continuing past the election cycle
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:07 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band I honestly can't believe you actually think the horseshit you say you do, it's astounding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071932) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:08 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested I’m just quoting your stupidity here, chang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071941) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:10 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band absolutely no one who isn't a retard disagrees with what I said, it is only controversial to delusional people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071949) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:11 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested Date: November 18th, 2023 5:10 PM Author: hank_scorpio
absolutely no one who isn't a retard disagrees with what I said, it is only controversial to delusional people
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071949) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:06 PM Author: floppy hyperventilating filthpig gas station hank is fairly credible on Ukraine he said Kiev would fall in 2 days which proved to be true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072149) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:33 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072245) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:34 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band you guys really do live in imaginationland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072251) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:20 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081048) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:04 PM Author: impertinent saffron hospital pozpig he said ukraine would be "wrecked" and everyone would be a loser in the end, seems right to me. he also said he didnt expect russia to take the whole country, just the donbass and maybe some additional parts of eastern ukraine. close enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071918) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:10 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested okay so he was completely wrong about both?
Lmao |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:12 PM Author: impertinent saffron hospital pozpig last i checked the country has experienced severe damage from two years of war, so point one seems accurate, and russia is occupying 20% of the country, so 2 for 2 for prof john in my book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071965) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:22 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested yes, and this would have been avoided by…?
oh I guess you didn’t think that far ahead. or you’re a bitchboi who thinks that being submissive guarantees peace |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:24 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band agreeing to Russia's primary demand, you can't be that dense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072029) |
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Date: November 19th, 2023 2:58 AM Author: Cracking sneaky criminal school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47073433) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:30 PM Author: impertinent saffron hospital pozpig just read mearsheimer, he made his views very clear:
"The United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process—a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win." |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:34 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band but then Russia would be marching through the streets of Paris! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072064) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:36 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested oh yes, a prosperous and neutral Ukraine that has zero agency of its own but somehow fends off a future Russian attack!
why didn’t they think of that |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:37 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band as opposed to a ruined Ukraine with no agency of its own that fails to fend off a Russian attack that happens immediately? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072260) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:38 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested lol this is such a nonsensical gooky response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072266) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:40 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band its an observation of the current reality, idk wtf you're high on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072279) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 6:42 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested open your squinty eyes and we'll talk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072283) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:21 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081054) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:20 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081049) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:19 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081046) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:49 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested “Just let big countries take over small countries at will.”
*smirks scholarly* |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:50 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band no, don't provoke big countries into invading small countries for no good reason was his point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071860) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:52 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested ok so we just disagree about what “provoke” means and what defines “no good reason”
other than that yeah I’m totally a realist too haha |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:54 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band what exactly is the interest of the US in the political alignment of Ukraine? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071884) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:01 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested I could go on an on about this but you’re a dyed in the wool Russiacuck so you’re hopeless
also, gbtc |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band so you can't come up with even one simple reason? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071914) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:07 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested gbtc gookboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071931) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:07 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band go walk through a minefield in eastern ukraine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071934) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:09 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested I’d rather send money to kill Russian mongrels
your slant eyed cousins are next. watching them drown on the Taiwan strait will be full of lulz |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:10 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band idiots like you are the reason civilizations collapse under the weight of the retards they let live out of their own earlier success (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071955) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 5:12 PM Author: blathering sable chad idea he suggested 🥢 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071960) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:22 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081060) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:21 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081056) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 7:12 PM Author: ivory fear-inspiring ceo Please go to Ukraine before Russia nukes it. The world would be better off that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072392) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:22 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081064) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 4:57 PM Author: Frisky Boyish Chapel he's good on Israel/zionists, but i looked into him and i think he's an open-borders nut with a lot of other nutty views outside of being based on Jews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47071895) |
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Date: November 18th, 2023 7:06 PM Author: chartreuse lascivious lay Same argument made here for almost 2 years now. But what the hell...
A country is either sovereign or its not. Russia had already blocked NATO and likely EU succession with 2014 nonsense. The 2022 bullshit was not justified or good for either the rus or Ukraine.
Usual suspects upthread taking seeming pleasure in suffering is horrible. Russia will lose more from this war than Ukraine. Neither country can afford the demographic results of this war but Ukraine will be flooded with EU/US money for a long time to come which will help it bounce back.
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Date: November 18th, 2023 7:07 PM Author: Apoplectic demanding elastic band Ukraine is not sovereign and now is so reliant on the supposed aid it will never be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47072380) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 12:22 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47081067) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:56 AM Author: Rebellious Alcoholic State Cuckold it isnt obvious this has had any economic impact on russia, unlike ukraine. but that is still a stupid way to measure this.
ukraine has committed suicide. hundreds of thousands of ukes are dead. millions more have fled east or west. it is demographically over.
there may or may not be be some sort of blob on the map labelled ukraine 50 years from now, but it wont be inhabited by ukrainians. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 11:53 AM Author: filthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5446423&forum_id=2#47082160) |