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Intermittent Fastmos DONE here: 91% higher cardiovasc disease in these weirdos

Benjamin Ryan @benryanwriter Study finds bad news for in...
Ocher Metal Corn Cake
  03/18/24
Eating over less than 16 hours a day?
gold sticky hell feces
  03/18/24
That's correct, Doctor Penis.
bipolar chad
  03/20/24
Nutritional studies are ultra flame. These two chongs fro...
Crawly wrinkle
  03/18/24
speaking as the kind of fitness-minded dipshit who has exper...
Rough-skinned big senate
  03/18/24
They didn't even control for weight at any time, ever. The s...
Aromatic plaza
  03/18/24
time restriction is mostly just a method of caloric restrict...
marvelous hall mad cow disease
  03/18/24
...
Rough-skinned big senate
  03/18/24
Probably one of those things where 3 people had hear attacks...
Anal azn
  03/18/24
n=20,000
smoky chest-beating partner stage
  03/18/24
And out of 20,000 people how many do you think keel over and...
Anal azn
  03/18/24
it's a real correlation that will persist over larger sample...
smoky chest-beating partner stage
  03/19/24
"it's a real correlation that will persist over larger ...
Anal azn
  03/19/24
You think over 8–17 years in a 20K person study w/medi...
Stirring gaming laptop
  03/19/24
I noticed that's literally the only sample statistic they gi...
Aromatic plaza
  03/19/24
Are you aware you're reading a press release, not even the a...
Stirring gaming laptop
  03/19/24
I've been doing this for ten years, dis veddy veddy bad
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/18/24
Keep it up brother. In fact, double down. You can maek it.
Lavender Area
  03/18/24
Fuckin' A. Imma try a 4-hour window for the next 10 years. ...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/18/24
Almost as if it's mostly genetic and none of this shit matte...
Tan Mood
  03/18/24
Or just eat healthy food in normal amounts, and don't do wei...
bright generalized bond potus
  03/19/24
I do this and currently have quite high blood pressure, but ...
contagious pungent space roommate
  03/18/24
Hate to keep sucking your cock so much with amiable replies,...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/19/24
fuck man, I've been in the mid 130's, but then I quit checki...
contagious pungent space roommate
  03/19/24
Looking back at my data set, I would average about 135/79 ex...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/19/24
damn bro, that is walking heart attack territory, maybe lay ...
contagious pungent space roommate
  03/19/24
I believe I've mentioned this before, but I'm 100% natty and...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/19/24
I keep a zyn in all day
contagious pungent space roommate
  03/19/24
I propose a pact whereby we both agree to get colonoscopies ...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/19/24
I've made a doctor appointment in a month, but I'm worried i...
contagious pungent space roommate
  03/19/24
Okay I'll probably just wait and then do whatever your docto...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/19/24
50? lol grampa you arent fooling anyone.
Ocher Metal Corn Cake
  03/19/24
real science is 100% dead, all that's left is the rotting co...
Drab Pea-brained Striped Hyena Liquid Oxygen
  03/18/24
Barbara O'Neill is still kicking
vibrant tripping theater stage death wish
  03/18/24
...
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/18/24
imagine being stupid enough to believe that only eating once...
carmine chapel
  03/18/24
...
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/18/24
People who go on diets are more likely to die from fat-relat...
Aromatic plaza
  03/18/24
...
smoky chest-beating partner stage
  03/18/24
...
Disgusting Police Squad
  03/18/24
...
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/18/24
Numbers skewed by disco fries
Onyx orchestra pit faggotry
  03/18/24
earth needs to take a huge shit soon
exciting patrolman
  03/18/24
Fasting is the only way to live, brothers. Don’t let t...
histrionic slippery hairy legs reading party
  03/18/24
Hey libs what do the stats look like for fatasses who just k...
Aromatic plaza
  03/18/24
...
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/18/24
I noticed that when I broke a fast my heart would beat reall...
Chestnut costumed church building degenerate
  03/18/24
it's probably healthy to do occasionally but like anything e...
contagious pungent space roommate
  03/18/24
*eyes bug out of head*
fear-inspiring corner
  03/19/24
I ate mac and cheese for dinner and my bpm went from 70 to 1...
fear-inspiring corner
  03/19/24
sure jew
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/18/24
IF is flame bc it’s literally just having an early din...
razzle-dazzle sepia skinny woman
  03/19/24
It preserves outstanding musculature well into one's middle ...
vivacious flickering cruise ship
  03/19/24
can we get venn diagram of how many "intermittent fast&...
Violet Nudist Den
  03/19/24
Perinium sunning tp
bronze offensive goyim candlestick maker
  03/19/24
And ice baths
Glassy Charismatic Property Pistol
  03/19/24
Pretty sure there are a bunch of mouse model studies that sh...
territorial mildly autistic jewess
  03/19/24
Similar “studies” also show that the vax is tota...
Curious Ruddy Forum
  03/19/24
...
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/19/24
everybody who posts twitter links here should be castrated
sapphire bawdyhouse preventive strike
  03/19/24
one sec need to find a link
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/19/24
https://twitter.com/TheWiggles/status/1765968235260948779
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/19/24
MODS
sapphire bawdyhouse preventive strike
  03/19/24
disco fries the orc is gonna die
Racy Burgundy Whorehouse Depressive
  03/19/24
You will also die, pumo.
histrionic slippery hairy legs reading party
  03/19/24
...
Sable Telephone Doctorate
  03/19/24
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Tan Mood
  03/19/24


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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:52 PM
Author: Ocher Metal Corn Cake

Benjamin Ryan

@benryanwriter

Study finds bad news for intermittent fasters who eat only within 8 hours daily:

▶️91% higher risk of death due to cardiovascular disease

▶️No lower risk of all-cause mortality

In those with cancer, eating over >16 hrs/day linked to lower mortality.

https://eurekalert.org/news-releases/1037544?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIvOFBuXsAAwEJy?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/benryanwriter/status/1769816047081623806

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505702)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:21 PM
Author: gold sticky hell feces

Eating over less than 16 hours a day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505816)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:26 AM
Author: bipolar chad

That's correct, Doctor Penis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47509216)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:21 PM
Author: Crawly wrinkle

Nutritional studies are ultra flame.

These two chongs from Shanghai University didn't do anything except look at some SPS pre-existing databases for info. People who "did IF" are those who completed two unverified self-reported eating diaries covering one day each and apparently reported eating during an 8-hour window. Zero control for caloric intake, bodyweight, or a billion other factors that would actually influence your likelihood of dying from heart disease.

“Although the study identified an association between an 8-hour eating window and cardiovascular death, this does not mean that time-restricted eating caused cardiovascular death.” said senior study author Victor Wenze Zhong, Ph.D., a professor and chair of the department of epidemiology and biostatistics at the Shanghai Jiao Tong University School of Medicine in Shanghai, China

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505817)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:36 PM
Author: Rough-skinned big senate

speaking as the kind of fitness-minded dipshit who has experimented with all kinds of fasting and other weird dietary shit, i am skeptical of IF but also LOLed when i saw the methodology for this trash 'study.'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505868)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:32 PM
Author: Aromatic plaza

They didn't even control for weight at any time, ever. The survey methods as described sounds weak af. Actual quote:

"Factors that may also play a role in health, outside of daily duration of eating and cause of death, were not included in the analysis."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506019)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:23 PM
Author: marvelous hall mad cow disease

time restriction is mostly just a method of caloric restriction. if you manage to overeat during that window, you're not really 'fasting' at all; you're just digesting food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505823)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:36 PM
Author: Rough-skinned big senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505872)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:25 PM
Author: Anal azn

Probably one of those things where 3 people had hear attacks in one self-reported group and 2 in the other, so they declared a 91% increase in cardio deths

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505830)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:38 PM
Author: smoky chest-beating partner stage

n=20,000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505875)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:48 PM
Author: Anal azn

And out of 20,000 people how many do you think keel over and die from a heart attack dumbass?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505895)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:20 AM
Author: smoky chest-beating partner stage

it's a real correlation that will persist over larger samples, you retard. it's just that people who are attempting a diet are not equally healthy as people who are not http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505878

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506758)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:38 PM
Author: Anal azn

"it's a real correlation that will persist over larger samples, you retard"

Its not. Something like 70% of scientific studies CANNOT be reproduced.

They did one study. They sorted people into 2 groups. If you randomly sort people into different groups, and then look for differences - you're going to find some fucking differences.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508682)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:58 PM
Author: Stirring gaming laptop

You think over 8–17 years in a 20K person study w/median age 50 only five people died from a heart attack?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508878)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:19 AM
Author: Aromatic plaza

I noticed that's literally the only sample statistic they give you. They don't even tell you what percent of the 20,000 reported any sort of fasting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506179)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:00 PM
Author: Stirring gaming laptop

Are you aware you're reading a press release, not even the abstract, let alone the actual paper?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508885)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:25 PM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

I've been doing this for ten years, dis veddy veddy bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505831)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:30 PM
Author: Lavender Area

Keep it up brother. In fact, double down. You can maek it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505847)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:55 PM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

Fuckin' A. Imma try a 4-hour window for the next 10 years.

TBF is gonna be so pissed at my beach-jogging videos from 2033.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506093)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:32 PM
Author: Tan Mood

Almost as if it's mostly genetic and none of this shit matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505851)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:30 PM
Author: bright generalized bond potus

Or just eat healthy food in normal amounts, and don't do weird shit like fasting or nocarb or whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508161)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:32 PM
Author: contagious pungent space roommate

I do this and currently have quite high blood pressure, but lol just fucking lol if that is the part of my lifestyle that gets me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505854)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:00 AM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

Hate to keep sucking your cock so much with amiable replies, but this is me too. I've been checking my BP over the last few weeks at random times and have an average of 140/82/54.

Feels like a life-ending stroke is imminent. How to make it to 50?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506103)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:22 AM
Author: contagious pungent space roommate

fuck man, I've been in the mid 130's, but then I quit checking because fuck that

I feel like staying hydrated is noticeably a difference maker in terms of how I feel, if not actually helping me, but who the fuck knows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506182)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:24 PM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

Looking back at my data set, I would average about 135/79 except for one Tuesday at 9:20 a.m. in early March when I got a 159/96. I forget what was going on then. Maybe I had been reading some really insulting Voodoo Child posts or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508145)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: contagious pungent space roommate

damn bro, that is walking heart attack territory, maybe lay off the juice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508157)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:37 PM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

I believe I've mentioned this before, but I'm 100% natty and always have been. I think the culprit is that I maintain a near-fatal nicotine level around 16 hours/day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508180)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:41 PM
Author: contagious pungent space roommate

I keep a zyn in all day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508192)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:47 PM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

I propose a pact whereby we both agree to get colonoscopies and go on BP medication within a year. No reason we shouldn't make it to 80 at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508197)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:52 PM
Author: contagious pungent space roommate

I've made a doctor appointment in a month, but I'm worried it's all fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508207)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:55 PM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

Okay I'll probably just wait and then do whatever your doctor says.

Don't forget to post it pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47508210)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:31 AM
Author: Ocher Metal Corn Cake

50? lol grampa you arent fooling anyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506623)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:33 PM
Author: Drab Pea-brained Striped Hyena Liquid Oxygen

real science is 100% dead, all that's left is the rotting corpse such as this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505857)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:47 PM
Author: vibrant tripping theater stage death wish

Barbara O'Neill is still kicking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506066)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:54 PM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506088)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:38 PM
Author: carmine chapel

imagine being stupid enough to believe that only eating once a day is bad for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505874)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:54 PM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506089)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:40 PM
Author: Aromatic plaza

People who go on diets are more likely to die from fat-related diseases, so libs assume diets are causing the diseases. The EPAH method of analytic reasoning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505878)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:43 PM
Author: smoky chest-beating partner stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505886)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:04 PM
Author: Disgusting Police Squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505944)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:52 PM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506081)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:43 PM
Author: Onyx orchestra pit faggotry

Numbers skewed by disco fries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505887)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:03 PM
Author: exciting patrolman

earth needs to take a huge shit soon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505939)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:05 PM
Author: histrionic slippery hairy legs reading party

Fasting is the only way to live, brothers. Don’t let them get you down. Let’s not eat until Sunday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47505951)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:27 PM
Author: Aromatic plaza

Hey libs what do the stats look like for fatasses who just keep eating 24/7? Do they still get classified as COVID deaths when they die of renal failure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506004)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:52 PM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506082)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:41 PM
Author: Chestnut costumed church building degenerate

I noticed that when I broke a fast my heart would beat really hard and my blood pressure would go up. Didn't seem healthy or normal since my bp isn't normally high.

Reminded me of starving people dying when they are given a lot of food. Don't think having your body veer from feast to famine is healthy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506048)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:43 PM
Author: contagious pungent space roommate

it's probably healthy to do occasionally but like anything else overstresses shit when done daily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506050)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:46 AM
Author: fear-inspiring corner

*eyes bug out of head*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506340)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:35 PM
Author: fear-inspiring corner

I ate mac and cheese for dinner and my bpm went from 70 to 130

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47509096)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate

sure jew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506079)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:00 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle sepia skinny woman

IF is flame bc it’s literally just having an early dinner. I don’t even consider it a real thing. It’s just “not being a grazing fatass”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506108)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:10 AM
Author: vivacious flickering cruise ship

It preserves outstanding musculature well into one's middle age, IME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506150)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:17 AM
Author: Violet Nudist Den

can we get venn diagram of how many "intermittent fast" followers also did perineum sunning and alkaline water?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506172)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:34 AM
Author: bronze offensive goyim candlestick maker

Perinium sunning tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506628)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:40 AM
Author: Glassy Charismatic Property Pistol

And ice baths

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506642)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:37 AM
Author: territorial mildly autistic jewess

Pretty sure there are a bunch of mouse model studies that show mice living longer on IF. The problem with science and studies is that all of them conflict with one another

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506462)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:38 AM
Author: Curious Ruddy Forum

Similar “studies” also show that the vax is totally safe for your heart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506637)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:51 AM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506671)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:38 AM
Author: sapphire bawdyhouse preventive strike

everybody who posts twitter links here should be castrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506638)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:51 AM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate

one sec need to find a link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506673)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:52 AM
Author: Sable Telephone Doctorate

https://twitter.com/TheWiggles/status/1765968235260948779

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506678)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:07 AM
Author: sapphire bawdyhouse preventive strike

MODS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506951)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:52 AM
Author: Racy Burgundy Whorehouse Depressive

disco fries the orc is gonna die

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505968&forum_id=2#47506676)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:47 AM
Author: histrionic slippery hairy legs reading party

You will also die, pumo.

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