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The General's Daughter: anyone see this movie?

Are Army generals this revered? The movie acts like he's Ame...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/29/24
That movie sucked dick, even with the n00d tits and cooter. ...
green state community account
  03/29/24
Lol What made it suck dick? I was perplexed by the premis...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/29/24
probably means something on a military base
beta carnelian party of the first part
  03/29/24
"One, two three and a quarter, I'm gonna fuck the gener...
sickened piazza
  03/30/24
Lt. Col is the highest you can expect to maek it without bei...
Fantasy-prone locus
  03/29/24
Thats generous considering that the law equivalent would be ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/29/24
unless you get busted down this pretty much impossible cuz i...
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
Captains and above can serve for 20+ even if passed over ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
they do make some exceptions for some O-3s who’ve been...
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
A 20 year captain that was not prior enlisted is rarer than ...
curious karate university
  03/30/24
...
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
There’s lots of former enlisted who make the jump to a...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
Charlize Theron was hot in that. And General's up until the ...
curious karate university
  03/29/24
The Generals Daughter was Leslie Stefanson: https://www.pint...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
That's so weird. I swore she was in that as the daughter.
curious karate university
  03/30/24
Weird schtick. Generals are very prestigious. There only 13 ...
pontificating giraffe
  03/29/24
There are more than 300 generals in the army and corps toget...
green state community account
  03/29/24
I’m only counting the ones with the rank “Genera...
pontificating giraffe
  03/29/24
He was a 3 star general The beginning scene has them in ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/29/24
My research tells me that there are 43 of these. Still very ...
pontificating giraffe
  03/30/24
And don't they max out at like $18k per month + BAH + other ...
trip cruise ship foreskin
  03/30/24
I don’t know anything about the military brother. But ...
pontificating giraffe
  03/30/24
only the top connected guys get that. the rest have to work ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
These guys aren't hurting for money but the pinnacle of thei...
trip cruise ship foreskin
  03/30/24
and after these generals retire they have to get weird jobs ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
link to biglaw partners getting 8k/mo in retirement? i mean ...
Fishy filthpig patrolman
  03/30/24
Why would someone retire from the law?
trip cruise ship foreskin
  03/30/24
https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Publications/Article/1325984/are-th...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/29/24
The NSA is never not headed by a General. All those Mormoncu...
Fantasy-prone locus
  03/29/24
i believe the general in the movie was a 3-star
beta carnelian party of the first part
  03/29/24
As a child. I only remember the rape scene
chestnut exhilarant corner
  03/29/24
i mean it wasn't rape-rape
supple ebony hospital
  03/30/24
i think the movie portrayed it as real "rape-rape"
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
ok fine, maybe it was rape-rape but it wasn't like rape-rape...
supple ebony hospital
  03/30/24
https://kids-in-mind.com/g/generalsdaughter99.htm During ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
okay okay, but that’s not rape-rape-rape type rape
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
Every time I see this title mentioned I keep thinking they m...
Fantasy-prone locus
  03/29/24
i remember it being pretty good, but i don't remember seeing...
Tripping Red Jew
  03/29/24
what made you think it was good? it was so obnoxious - she t...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/29/24
i don't remember it too well, but movies without happy endin...
Tripping Red Jew
  03/30/24
i mean women being gross sluts with daddy issues in the mili...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
i think i saw it once but remember nothing about it. if what...
Fishy filthpig patrolman
  03/30/24
did you remember even a general impression as to whether it ...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
i used to like movies when i was younger so i would have giv...
Fishy filthpig patrolman
  03/30/24
That was the huge plot flaw in "A Few Good Men" to...
Rose kitchen potus
  03/30/24
He was a Colonel, which is like a boot licking rank in The G...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
even the best colonel in the world will have to become a maj...
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
how is that a fatal flaw? if anything eh was too high rankin...
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
One of his direct reports suicided because he was ashamed of...
Rose kitchen potus
  03/30/24
that’s not why he killed self…watch again
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
...
pontificating giraffe
  03/30/24
lol the trailer has general stars flying across the screen i...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
USA loves their Generals and Admirals
turquoise whorehouse
  03/30/24
Are they on the level of celebrities and royalty?
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
royalty
turquoise whorehouse
  03/30/24
it's just milcuck propaganda
boyish sinister cumskin
  03/30/24
It kind of portrays the military as this evil powerful patri...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24
exactly what they want you to think it is
Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker
  03/30/24
I don’t know but I like that Jodie call. We used to ma...
sickened piazza
  03/30/24
Also, combat arms generals are likely more revered than some...
sickened piazza
  03/30/24
The general in the movie is named “Fighting Joe Hooker...
domesticated site circlehead
  03/30/24


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Date: March 29th, 2024 9:26 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

Are Army generals this revered? The movie acts like he's American Royalty.

This movie is bizarre. I always thought generals were like the equivalent of being a equity partner in biglaw.

Aka no one cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538198)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:18 PM
Author: green state community account

That movie sucked dick, even with the n00d tits and cooter. Jon Travolta is a fruit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538487)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:19 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

Lol

What made it suck dick? I was perplexed by the premise - as if being a General meant something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538494)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: beta carnelian party of the first part

probably means something on a military base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538500)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 1:45 PM
Author: sickened piazza

"One, two three and a quarter, I'm gonna fuck the general's daughter..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539691)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:45 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone locus

Lt. Col is the highest you can expect to maek it without being a good bullshitter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538568)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

Thats generous considering that the law equivalent would be maxing an officer out at CPT/LT (O-3) letting them serve for 18 years and then kicking them out with NOPENSION

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538588)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 2:41 AM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

unless you get busted down this pretty much impossible cuz it’s up or out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538889)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 2:45 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

Captains and above can serve for 20+ even if passed over

O3: 20 years of commissioned service (YCS)

O4: 24 YCS

O5: 33 YCS

O6: 35 YCS

https://www.rand.org/paf/projects/dopma-ropma/promotion-and-appointments/selective-continuation.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538894)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 11:06 AM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

they do make some exceptions for some O-3s who’ve been passed over but as a rule you will be forced out. most likely it would be down specialized job that can’t promote you but they don’t want to lose you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539268)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 5:10 PM
Author: curious karate university

A 20 year captain that was not prior enlisted is rarer than a handsome XO poaster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47540234)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 5:26 PM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47540273)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:34 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

There’s lots of former enlisted who make the jump to an O. Hence the O-1/3E paygrade to account for it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47540802)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: curious karate university

Charlize Theron was hot in that. And General's up until the 90s really did have tremendous power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538504)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:01 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

The Generals Daughter was Leslie Stefanson: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/669347563339742168/

Madelaine Stowe was the other chick (lol at a babe like her being in Army CID): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144214/mediaviewer/rm4179179008

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538621)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 10:01 AM
Author: curious karate university

That's so weird. I swore she was in that as the daughter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539149)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:41 PM
Author: pontificating giraffe

Weird schtick. Generals are very prestigious. There only 13 in the army. There are around 13,000 biglaw equity partners. So 1,000x more prestigious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538556)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:44 PM
Author: green state community account

There are more than 300 generals in the army and corps together.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538567)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:50 PM
Author: pontificating giraffe

I’m only counting the ones with the rank “General.” I forgot the movie, but I suppose he wasn’t a four star guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538582)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:52 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

He was a 3 star general

The beginning scene has them in tuxedos toasting him like he's the King of England. His aide, who is a Colonel commits blatant crimes/lies for him because he's such ROYALTY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538591)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:06 AM
Author: pontificating giraffe

My research tells me that there are 43 of these. Still very prestigious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538626)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:25 AM
Author: trip cruise ship foreskin

And don't they max out at like $18k per month + BAH + other incentives, so realistically they are probably making around $30k per month? However, they gotta put in 20+ years to achieve that, and then they only get it for a few years while they're active before going into the defined benefit plan and getting like $8k-10k a month in retirement? They may be prestigious but it's low income compared to a biglaw partner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538683)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:27 AM
Author: pontificating giraffe

I don’t know anything about the military brother. But I’m sure when they retire they can get sinecures on F500 boards and stuff if they want to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538691)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:28 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

only the top connected guys get that. the rest have to work for Rebellion Research or give speeches at the local American Legion for a free lunch and a $100 honorarium

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538695)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:32 AM
Author: trip cruise ship foreskin

These guys aren't hurting for money but the pinnacle of their career is earning about as much as some 25-YO associate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538708)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:27 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

and after these generals retire they have to get weird jobs for companies like "Rebellion Research"

https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5511024&mc=6&forum_id=2

https://www.rebellionresearch.com/2-star-general-john-f-hussey-to-join-rebellion-researchs-board-of-advisory-directors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538692)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:29 AM
Author: Fishy filthpig patrolman

link to biglaw partners getting 8k/mo in retirement? i mean millennials and genxers not boomers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538699)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:31 AM
Author: trip cruise ship foreskin

Why would someone retire from the law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538704)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:48 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Publications/Article/1325984/are-there-too-many-general-officers-for-todays-military/

There are approximately 900 Active-duty general/flag officers (GO/FOs) today of 1.3 million troops. This is a ratio of 1 GO/FO for every 1,400 troops. During World War II, an admittedly different era, there were more than 2,000 GO/FOs for a little more than 12 million Active troops (1:6,000).

The U.S. Army has 315 General Officers. Generals (O-7 to O-10) comprise 0.06% of the Army. There is 1 General for every 1600 Soldiers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538580)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone locus

The NSA is never not headed by a General. All those Mormoncuck "translators" take orders from the Army whether they realize it or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538585)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: beta carnelian party of the first part

i believe the general in the movie was a 3-star

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538587)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:46 PM
Author: chestnut exhilarant corner

As a child. I only remember the rape scene

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538576)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:28 AM
Author: supple ebony hospital

i mean it wasn't rape-rape

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538696)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:30 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

i think the movie portrayed it as real "rape-rape"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538703)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:32 AM
Author: supple ebony hospital

ok fine, maybe it was rape-rape but it wasn't like rape-rape-rape

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538707)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:38 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

https://kids-in-mind.com/g/generalsdaughter99.htm

During an extended rape scene, a woman is restrained, punched and raped; we later see her severely bruised and battered face with bloody, cut lips, and swollen, bloody eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538725)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 2:44 AM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

okay okay, but that’s not rape-rape-rape type rape

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538893)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:46 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone locus

Every time I see this title mentioned I keep thinking they made a movie based on this book written by a woman, and I have to remind myself that it's actually about an Ameirican general (i.e. boring):

"When it first appeared in 1987, the title story of this collection of stories by Nguyen Huy Thiep caused a sensation in Vietnam. Not since the Communist revolution had readers found as stark and compelling a view of their world as The General Retires offered them. Written in spare, succinct prose, it captures the despair of an old general who, after many years of devoted service to his country, is alienated by the emptiness of the society into which he retires and ultimately flees. Nguyen probes similar themes in the stories that follow, from Cun, the moving tale of a crippled beggar, to A Drop of Blood, a dark history of a family set against decades of war and revolution. With eight powerfully written stories--all available in English for the first time--and including an introduction by Greg Lockhart that traces the varied traditions of Vietnamese literature to the present day, this collection offers unprecedented insight into a society trying to overcome and understand years of pain and civil strife."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538577)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: Tripping Red Jew

i remember it being pretty good, but i don't remember seeing it on hbo, etc since it came out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538586)



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Date: March 29th, 2024 11:53 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

what made you think it was good? it was so obnoxious - she tries to get back her dad by fucking everyone and being a crazy bitch. the movie paints this as high drama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538594)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:03 AM
Author: Tripping Red Jew

i don't remember it too well, but movies without happy endings are usually better than those with

and what you describe is high drama

i'm not saying it was great or anything, but certainly worth a movie ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538622)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:10 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

i mean women being gross sluts with daddy issues in the military is pretty typical

the movie also had this cheesy lib message at the end that was basically "believe all women"

but what really did it for me was the notion that this could compose some kind of dramatic issue in real life. no one would give two farts about a general's daughter in real life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538633)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:19 AM
Author: Fishy filthpig patrolman

i think i saw it once but remember nothing about it. if what youre saying is true the guy you are replying to should slit his wrists and go to sleep forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538666)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:20 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

did you remember even a general impression as to whether it was a good or bad movie?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538672)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 12:22 AM
Author: Fishy filthpig patrolman

i used to like movies when i was younger so i would have given it a b- ten or fifteen years ago but i dont remember.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538678)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 3:08 AM
Author: Rose kitchen potus

That was the huge plot flaw in "A Few Good Men" too. I don't think Nicholson was even a General

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538908)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 3:13 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

He was a Colonel, which is like a boot licking rank in The General's Daughter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538912)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 3:23 AM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

even the best colonel in the world will have to become a major bootlicker if they want a star

the true hardcore never get above this rank and are okay with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538920)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 3:22 AM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

how is that a fatal flaw? if anything eh was too high ranking for company commander, but perhaps it has to be a colonel due to its unusually high profile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538918)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 3:43 AM
Author: Rose kitchen potus

One of his direct reports suicided because he was ashamed of dishonoring his boss. It just seemed a little over the top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538939)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 3:47 AM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

that’s not why he killed self…watch again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47538944)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 1:50 PM
Author: pontificating giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539704)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:47 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

lol the trailer has general stars flying across the screen in later scene changes. Madeleine Stowe also gazes awestruck at a 2 star rank insignia at 1:05

https://youtu.be/wpTAgkY-l74?feature=shared

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539125)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:55 AM
Author: turquoise whorehouse

USA loves their Generals and Admirals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539136)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:57 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

Are they on the level of celebrities and royalty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539141)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:58 AM
Author: turquoise whorehouse

royalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539143)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:59 AM
Author: boyish sinister cumskin

it's just milcuck propaganda

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539148)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 10:15 AM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

It kind of portrays the military as this evil powerful patriarchy though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539175)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 1:48 PM
Author: Fluffy Provocative Theatre Windowlicker

exactly what they want you to think it is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539701)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 11:36 AM
Author: sickened piazza

I don’t know but I like that Jodie call. We used to make up more x rated verses but that probably wouldn’t fly now with all the trannies and faggots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539313)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 1:44 PM
Author: sickened piazza

Also, combat arms generals are likely more revered than some random tranny quartermaster faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47539687)



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Date: March 30th, 2024 9:33 PM
Author: domesticated site circlehead

The general in the movie is named “Fighting Joe Hooker”, not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5510932&forum_id=2#47540799)