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Ukraine hit Crimean airbase, so russia bombed a Ukrainian hospital
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Date: April 17th, 2024 7:45 AM Author: motley box office who knew these christian saviors from the east could be so brutal
pic of chopped up air defense system that costs about $600 million
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1780561156479856931 |
Date: April 17th, 2024 7:49 AM Author: motley box office missile strike on Chernigiv
https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1780510490659090913 |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:02 AM Author: trip honey-headed hall you should use ukrainian spellings for their own cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589569) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:25 AM Author: motley box office stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589584) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:36 AM Author: trip honey-headed hall no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589597) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:08 AM Author: clear parlour Rare TDNW win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589644) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:45 AM Author: Magenta tantric center elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589940) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:18 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall russia uses their imposition of the russian language on non-russians as a justification for the war, which resonates with american voters who have no understanding of the region and its history.
At every opportunity, non-russians should distance themselves from russian culture. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:21 PM Author: clear parlour No and fuck you. Your family isn't even from Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590320) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:32 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall actually nearly all of them are. you and i are ethnically identical. my family just left 2 generations earlier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590379) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:37 PM Author: clear parlour Moldova = Ukraine? Also, I thought you said your family isn't mixed at all while mine is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590405) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:41 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall Nearly all of my great-grandparents came from villages or cities in Ukraine. Just like your family, we're jews. I think the closest you come to admitting this is that your ancestors were "mostly jewish".
you're a funny little chameleon. For decades you said you were russian. Actually, you're jewish from soviet ukraine. And now, when it's beneficial to you, youre "ukrainian" but pro-russia just like many of your ukrainian brothers. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:56 PM Author: clear parlour I didn't even say mostly Jewish. I said some where Jews. I'm roughly half Jewish and for Jews it is on the wrong side. Even on my dad's side it is mixed.
Yes, culturally I've always been Russian. It isn't unusual for people from E. Ukraine to see themselves as Russian. This whole concept that they're different countries and peoples is a fairly new invention. The fact that my family is actually from Ukraine is only noteworthy recently because of the context surrounding the war, which involves people like you declaring boldly what "no Ukrainian wants."
I'm also curious as to why you are super eager to paint me as a superJew as though that's somehow a bullseye here. Zelinsky is Jewish, many in his government have Jewish roots, many on the Russian side have Jewish roots (Prigo was part Jewish too). Particularly if you're including part Jews like me that covers a huge number of people. Zhironovsky was part Jewish. Why would me being part Jewish be somehow meaningful here?
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:01 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall i'm just pointing out the little games you play with your own ethnicity and identity.
i think it's entirely irrelevant but for your insistence, as you've done throughout this thread, that your ethnicity gives you special insight and, in fact, makes your arguments correct. It's also funny to hear someone with your background and views claim to represent any significant portion of the ukrainian public opinion.
you can get away with that here because no one knows better.
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:11 PM Author: clear parlour They're not really games. I'm mixed. I've never claimed to be Jewish, for example, I've always said I'm part Jew. That aspect of my identity has never meant much to me but XO is hung up on it so I'm always transparent. With Ukraine, it is relevant to the topic. So when people like you say "no Ukrainian would ever think X" I absolutely chime in and say "hey, we're all from Ukraine and we don't agree" and that's relevant. Your response is to attempt character assassination and to dismiss my response because I'm too Jewish or too Russian or whatever. In reality, none of that is relevant because many in Ukraine are part Jewish or culturally Russian or whatever. By the way, Are Reptile is also from Ukraine. My wife is from Ukraine. Are all people from Ukraine aligned with us? Of course not. But we're not "misrepresenting Ukraine" by stating what we actually think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590554) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:25 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall See here you are just lying.
Most of the time you invoke your ethnicity (or implicitly by raising the other person's) before anyone else mentions it to discredit them.
Just like literally in this thread you call TDNW a latino from boston or asking Live free or die which part of ukraine he's from.
You're a snake.
It's just like how you laugh when someone invokes "international law" but then pretend to care deeply about "war crimes" because a drone killed a russian soldier in the battlefield. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:31 PM Author: clear parlour Quote where I'm lying.
"Most of the time you invoke your ethnicity (or implicitly by raising the other person's) before anyone else mentions it to discredit them.
Just like literally in this thread you call TDNW a latino from boston or asking Live free or die which part of Ukraine he's from."
LFOD loves to call me a Jew as the beginning and end of the argument and mentioned that he only spoke Russian until the war, implying that he is in fact Ukrainian. So I'm very curious as to which part of Ukraine he is actually from.
TDNW isn't Ukrainian and has no connection to Ukraine but happily makes bold statements (like you!) that all Ukrainians x, y and z. He also brings up ethnicity all the time (as do you).
"You're a snake."
Are you sure that you're not?
"It's just like how you laugh when someone invokes "international law" but then pretend to care deeply about "war crimes" because a drone killed a russian soldier in the battlefield."
International law is a complete joke. War crimes are evil. These two statements are not in contradiction. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:42 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall What makes something a war crime? which body of law would that be?
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:50 PM Author: clear parlour Treaties, though in reality both sides disregard them in every single war (including the US). Which is why international law is a complete joke.
My argument for why these war crimes are evil and counter-productive has nothing to do with the sanctity of international law. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:07 PM Author: motley box office snoot pushed in your shit in this subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591022) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:08 PM Author: clear parlour Only if the metric is "the most glibness wins." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591027) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:11 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall I didn't say anything glib here and TDNW hates me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591042) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:15 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease the debate could have been between kamala and trump and tdnw would say kamala pwned. the debate begins and ends with "who supports ukraine" with tdnw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591055) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:20 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591219) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:12 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease sorry, you lose. tdnw, unbiased referee, has decided. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591048) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:17 PM Author: motley box office this wasn’t even my subthread, you got damn retard
tmf is indeed a shapeshifting Jewish snake who switches his identity however he wants to support his specious arguments |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:26 PM Author: clear parlour You make it sound like anyone is unaware of my background. I have done nothing to hide being part Jewish or being from E. Ukraine or being mixed or being culturally Russian since I started posting here in 2003. So I don't know how I'm a "shapeshifting Jewish snake" when I've been completely open about my background, though I'll note to you just as to Dupa that in no way is this background remotely weird for people in E. Ukraine. It is, in fact, totally standard there. If you look at the history of people in that area it becomes obvious as to why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591236) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:54 PM Author: motley box office I’m sooo Ukrainian and I know what they all think but I identify as russian and btw I’m totally 100% American
gas yourself, you rat |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:37 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
Lol CR
You and Bloodacre have both been totally honest about who you are IRL (ethnically and culturally), and even though you're both kikes who deserve to die a fiery death in my book, as a human being and a man I can fundamentally respect that honesty for what it is.
Meanwhile, TDNW -- who has had more "reinventions" on this website than almost anyone else around -- is calling you a "snake" and insinuating that you're lying about your background when he's the one who has changed his backstory like three separate times.
It's all so tiresome with these ridiculous faggots. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: clear parlour Add LFOD as someone who likes to imply that he's Ukrainian but is unwilling to provide ANY details whatsoever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591477) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
LFOD has claimed he's a Polish American bro before. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:37 PM Author: clear parlour Apparently one that supposedly spoke only Russian before the war? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591892) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:30 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
You're both Jews, so fuck both of you.
Having said that, speaking as an American, whose opinion would I rather listen to when it comes to American politics -- a Jew whose family has been here since the 1920s, or some African guy born in Zimbabwe who came here a few years ago to work as an adult? Well I mean, again first of all fuck them both and I hope they both die, but I would at least grant that the American Jew has a reasonable basis to hold strong and informed personal opinions about American politics (even if I'd like to see him shoved into an oven), while the African should just entirely shut the fuck up and go back to Zimbabwe.
See if you can figure who is TMF and who is TDNW in that analogy. |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 11:39 AM Author: trip honey-headed hall Yeah for sure, you are definitely right that the only 2 people who have opinions on this issue are TMF and TDNW and between them, TMF has closer ties to Ukraine and therefore his opinion is the correct one.
Accordingly, it is definitely accurate that Ukrainians actually hate being independent and actually just want to be part of Russia because they, in fact, view themselves as Russian.
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Date: April 18th, 2024 12:44 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
Nice strawman, but the point wasn't that TMF's position is the only one with real popular support, the point was that TDNW specifically should really just shut the fuck up because it's laughable for him to have a "strong personal opinion" on this topic no matter how you slice it and no matter what that opinion is.
Also, you seem mad. Stay mad IMO. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:23 PM Author: motley box office nobody gives a fuck
plenty of russian speakers are fighting for Ukraine to kill these orcs. spelling ain’t got shit to do with it |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:10 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall People in Ukraine know that. I know that.
But the propaganda war launched by Russia is that Speaking Russia equates to being Russian.
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:11 PM Author: motley box office fuck them
tell them it’s like accusing GW of being a traitor for speaking English while fighting the English. telling a vatnik in perfect russian that you mean to kill all invaders is pure joy |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:08 AM Author: clear parlour Why? They're all going to be Russian cities again anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589643) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:09 AM Author: motley box office tmf standing on the rubble of a hospital in ukraine: welp, orcs, we did it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589649) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: clear parlour The whole country that will be known as "former Ukraine" is going to be flattened before this is over. It sucks but that's where the war is. Ukrainians don't hesitate before murdering Russians and blowing up whatever they can so not sure why Russians would play it differently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589856) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:43 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant Ukraine also subtly threatened to attack America if we don't give them more weapons.
It didn't work. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:02 AM Author: Histrionic sanctuary voyeur ljl that hohol nigga is chief foreign affairs correspondent for WSJ, he's ukrainian born and obviously partisan. ljl @ western kike media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Trofimov |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:26 AM Author: motley box office how does this affect the fact that this video exists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589585) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:28 AM Author: Histrionic sanctuary voyeur because other info online says it was a hotel where hohol trash military was meeting incl a lt general u stupid faggot retard
he's clearly just giving biased BS |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:29 AM Author: motley box office here's a video from inside the hospital
https://x.com/maksymeristavi/status/1780533255936037003 |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:39 AM Author: Histrionic sanctuary voyeur lol who cares? hohol trash puts militay furks everywhere, there soldiers in the hospital if that is even a hospital or a real video. i dont care, all hohols are military targets and shld be annihilated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589601) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:10 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant This means Ukraine is winning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590091) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:19 AM Author: dark irate bawdyhouse 2 nearly-obsolete missiles and Russia's vaunted S-400 couldn't even protect itself.
Meanwhile Patriots shooting down hypersonics like it's NBD. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:27 AM Author: motley box office the US has ~1500 ATACMS that are obsolete and we have sent like 30 lmao
probably 20+ have already been use because the Ukrainians have to treat them like gold |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:59 AM Author: Bateful menage If the Ukraine war proves anything its that international law is a joke and is only relevant to law nerds LARP’ing as warriors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589622) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:01 AM Author: Histrionic sanctuary voyeur it ALWAYS was a joke because the US doesnt follow intl law, its all made up bullshit. why/how is the US able to bomb somalia, pakistan, syria, yemen, etc regularly and no one even cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589630) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:08 AM Author: Bateful menage All things considered, the US goes out of its way to hit lawful targets. This is easier to do when you have total air superiority and youre fighting musbros from the middle ages.
The russians dont even attempt to show restraint in their targetting. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:05 AM Author: motley box office also proved that the israeli lobby focused on the right things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589641) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:13 AM Author: Anal Milky Pervert just like Hamas rats, the Ukraine orcs hide their soldiers inside hospitals, schools, etc. Not very smart! |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:15 AM Author: motley box office this city is like 600km from the frontlines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589670) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:46 AM Author: Anal Milky Pervert retarded hahols shouldn't be housing soldiers, etc. in hospitals and schools like Hamas rats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589744) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:46 AM Author: motley box office yeah someone should tell them that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589745) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:54 AM Author: Anal Milky Pervert Too bad you fled Ukraine! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589768) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 9:59 AM Author: Anal Milky Pervert Strike by the Russian Armed Forces on the deployment point of the AFU in Chernihiv
In the morning, Russian troops launched an attack on Chernihiv, targeting the Profspilkovyy Hotel on Shevchenko Street in the northeastern part of the city. The building partially collapsed after being hit by missiles.
Despite Ukrainian attempts to portray the incident as an attack on civilian infrastructure, the facility was actually used for military purposes. This is evident from the army beds seen in the destroyed hotel in the photo, as well as footage showing the evacuation of wounded individuals in uniform.
Coordinates: 51.5057554, 31.3385851
Preliminary information indicates that the building was housing personnel from the 5th separate communications regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. While the exact number of enemy casualties is not yet confirmed, activists from the Kyiv regime reported a significant loss of Ukrainian forces. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:35 AM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589895) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:27 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i suppose the irony is lost on tdnw that he's jerked off to combat porn of people dying but now he's clutching his pearls about this. tdnw, humanitarian poaster, first day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589864) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:34 AM Author: clear parlour This. A million times this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589890) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:39 AM Author: motley box office lol @ comparing invaders getting got and civilian hospitals being hit by ballistic
even you russiacucks cant be this soulless.. or can you? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:43 AM Author: clear parlour No one thinks you have anything resembling a soul. You've been giddy over dead Russians since day 1 and all despite having no actual ties to the region. You're not Ukrainian or Russian or any of that. You're some Latino mix from Boston that likes to talk about "mongrels" as though he's some Aryan poster child. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589928) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:44 AM Author: motley box office (guy who rooted for the war to start and calls for Ukraine to be razed to the ground because they want nothing to do with you)
very deranged asiatic culture you got there |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:49 AM Author: clear parlour I rooted for Ukraine to sign the peace agreement before the war started and then ASAP after it started. Now it is too late.
Also, what Ukrainians "want" is totally irrelevant. Before the country was locked down anyone who could flee did. Now those who haven't yet are trapped in the country. They can't leave, they can't even vote. All they can do is get rounded up and sent to die. To add insult to injury, foreigners like you speak for them. Note that I could say "us" - my family is actually from Ukraine. Not that I take offense that you paint me as some native Muscovite. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:52 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease a good friend of mine was born in crimea. his thoughts echo yours, and so does his entire family. i went on vacation with him last weekend and he was said the war is over and it's demonic that the west won't compromise, all this is doing is allowing ukranians to die until the inevitable conclusion to the war is finally allowed to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589995) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:07 AM Author: clear parlour My family is from Kharkov, second largest city in Ukraine. The city has historically been a Russian city, though over time many ended up leaving and moving outside of Ukraine as the Ukrainian nationalists pushed hard on the city. Many of us would simply not feel safe going back if the city is controlled by the current regime. For the eastern and southern part of Ukraine, the perspective of my wife and I aren't uncommon at all. Are Reptile is also from E. Ukraine and I've definitely seen the crazed "kill them all" attitude irl as well.
"he was said the war is over and it's demonic that the west won't compromise"
This was the story from day 1. There was a peace agreement ready to be signed and the only reason Ukraine didn't sign it is because Boris Johnson showed up and promised Zelinsky a mountain of gold and dreams of total victory over Russia if he didn't.
"all this is doing is allowing ukranians to die until the inevitable conclusion to the war is finally allowed to happen."
Correct. But the reality is that "pro-Ukrainian" Westerners don't care at all about Ukrainian deaths. In fact, if Ukraine loses they would prefer that Ukrainians die in a massive bloodbath. Their worst case scenario would be Ukrainians surrendering and Russians working to integrate the region back into the country and rebuilding, with videos of people saying how much better peace is than war was. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:18 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease my friend's family was born in a crimean town similar to Pripyat that was designed to support a nuclear power plant that was canceled after chernobyl. i can't remember the name of the town but perhaps that gives you enough info to know it.
he's not even very vocal about the ukraine war. it actually took him a while to open up to me about it, because he's found discussing it with most americans leads to the black/white good guy versus bad guy thinking like tdnw. but since becoming good friends with him i've talked to him and his family about it because i'm curious to get perspectives untainted from media propoganda on both sides.
every one of them has said exactly what you've said. i'm not sure, but i think they may have even immigrated originally because of fear of ukranian nationalists. their position is basically: "our area of ukranian *IS* russia." the speak russian, it's culturally russia, etc. and their predictions and thoughts on the war have all come true. so i'm inclined to believe them here as well. unless the west begins intervening more directly, which they as of yet seem unwilling to do, the war is over. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:35 AM Author: clear parlour "he's found discussing it with most americans leads to the black/white good guy versus bad guy thinking like tdnw"
100%. It is very, very hard talking about it and I constantly get dragged into conversations about it. Staying quiet is extremely tempting. The media has been very effective in making it "Russia = Hitler, Ukraine = 'the good guys'".
"i'm not sure, but i think they may have even immigrated originally because of fear of ukranian nationalists"
This was very common. My uncle is now in Russia, for example. He was the last relative that stayed in Ukraine. When Ukraine became independent (1990-1991, not sure when they counted) they had something like 60-65 million people. Before 2014 they had 42 million (so roughly 1/3 of the country already left). Today they have something like 25 million (12 million left, millions live in land now held by Russia and not leaving, a ton dead too). When I lived in Moscow there were a ton of Ukrainians also living there. So many that various Ukrainian words were cool. People on the street recognized my accent and could immediately pinpoint that my family was from E. Ukraine, many correctly even guessing Kharkov. Even many Russian politicians are from Ukraine (Russian nationalist Zhirinovsky was actually from Ukraine).
"our area of ukranian *IS* Russia."
That is common. There's also a big push back to what was essentially a forced Ukrainization of the east. My wife's dad was furious at me within 20 minutes of meeting me because I dared call a subway station the new name the Kiev government imposed on it (I had no idea that it was called something else before).
"unless the west begins intervening more directly, which they as of yet seem unwilling to do, the war is over."
But there's no actual way for the West to intervene in a way that leads to a happy ending for the Ukrainian nationalists. Russia will just keep ramping up as well. For Russia this is Russian land. For the West this is "an area of geostrategic importance." The former will always beat the latter. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:45 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease "But there's no actual way for the West to intervene in a way that leads to a happy ending for the Ukrainian nationalists. Russia will just keep ramping up as well. For Russia this is Russian land. For the West this is "an area of geostrategic importance." The former will always beat the latter."
sure, that's what i was implying with the "as of yet seem unwilling to do." if the west was going to intervene more directly it would have been a long time ago. the time for that has passed and everyone knows it. and allowing this to continue is just wasting lives, which as you point out the "pro-ukraine west" doesn't really care about.
this is similar to the final days of vietnam. the west is staying in an unwinnable war primarily because they don't want their prestige to be damaged, and the lives delaying the inevitable result costs doesn't seem to concern many. i suppose like it vietnam their is a hypothetical nuclear intervention where we glass russia and then the ukranian nationalists can have ukraine. of course, that's ridiculous and unthinkable. which is why we should just press peace negotations asap. if we're not going to put up an actual fight (and we shouldn't) then we should move to the next stage. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:55 AM Author: clear parlour Absolutely, but the problem with the peace negotiations idea is that the best peace deal could have been worked out before the war or in the first days of the war. The pro-Ukrainian side would basically have to admit that they wasted hundreds of thousands of lives to end up with less. And Russia won't even accept a peace deal without a ton of concessions from Ukraine at this point (I suspect pretty much everything E. of the Dnepr + Odessa). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590245) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:45 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
If I had a nickel for every time I got called a "fucking retard" and told to "just shut the fuck up" by an angry stranger on the internet after I said that Ukraine: Russia :: Mexico : America and then asked them whether America would ever allow Mexico to politically re-align with China, I would be a very rich man right now.
Granted, I've never had a single person ever actually explain to me in simple words *why* I'm sure a fucking retard to making that analogy and posing that question.
But yeah, apparently, that's a VERY retarded analogy, for reasons. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:25 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall wow that's crazy. i literally live with ukrainians and have hundreds of ukrainian friends.
They disagree with you, TMF and your crimean friend. odd case. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:29 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease idk if you're being glib for glibness sake as you often like to do or if there is some substance behind this.
i'm not saying i'm right or that my ukranian friend and his family are right. from the beginning this, and most other things, are impossible to get an objective sense about from media because of the propaganda on either side. i'm just relaying one data point that i know is not being spun for political reasons. i am not purporting that their ideas are correct -- i am certainly not qualified to opine on ukranian history. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:32 PM Author: clear parlour Ukrainians have never been a politically monolithic people. Anyone who watched Ukrainian politics to ANY degree should be aware of that. The difference is that I am not claiming that my domestic Ukrainian political view is the only one that exists. I suspect that the Crimean friend would also agree (though, within Crimea like 90%+ agree with us, while in Lvov like 90%+ would disagree). For some reason you, like TDNW, seem to think that there's exactly one perspective on Ukraine and that no Ukrainians would ever disagree. That's bullshit. The #1 destination for Ukrainians to flee to has been Russia. The largest political party before the color revolution bullshit was the Party of Regions (many of their politicians got outright murdered by Ukrainian nationalists, btw). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590372) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:38 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall As i've pointed out before you attempt to misrepresent the political divisions in pre-war Ukraine.
To be clear, there was no support whatsoever for any part of Ukraine to be annexed by Russia.
The political division was essentially people who wanted to be more economically aligned with Russia vs the West (EU and the US).
Very clearly, the population was more in favor over aligning with the west so much so that even Yanukovych ran on a platform of entering into the economic agreement with the EU. The maidan followed after he abruptly canceled the deal. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:49 PM Author: clear parlour "To be clear, there was no support whatsoever for any part of Ukraine to be annexed by Russia."
Really? So if there was a free and fair election in Crimea on whether Crimea stayed in Russia or went back to Ukraine, how do you think it would go? No glib bullshit, just answer the q. It would go the same way in Donetsk, Lugansk, etc. In a real free and fair election I'm not even sure which way Kharkov would go.
"Very clearly, the population was more in favor over aligning with the west so much so that even Yanukovych ran on a platform of entering into the economic agreement with the EU. The maidan followed after he abruptly canceled the deal."
That's not exactly how it went. He wanted economic agreements with both. It was clear the EU wasn't ok with that and their term was basically no economic agreement with Russia. Russia then upped their offer to be significantly more attractive than the EU's offer. Then when the EU didn't enhance their offer he took Russia's offer. At that point a color revolution kicked in (similar to color revolutions that kicked in in all sorts of super convenient places for Western governments). Yanukovich, being a shithead, fled instead of working to control the situation. Then we ended up with a bunch of Ukrainian nationalists in charge which meant an inevitable total war with Russia which is where we are today.
If the West wanted peace in Ukraine they would have 100% encouraged Ukraine to take BOTH agreements and trade openly with both the EU and Russia. But that didn't help them "fight Putin and Russia" and they didn't really care if it would lead to the destruction of Ukraine since it wasn't really ever about helping Ukrainians. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:46 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
"Well ackkkkshually, I know a BUNCH of Americans, and they ALL hate Donald Trump and agree that America's current gun laws are insane and that white supremacy is a huge problem. That's what America is ACTUALLY like." -- German Shitlib smugly explaining what America is REALLY like to his fellow German friend, and invoking his own extensive experience living and working with Americans in Boston for five years. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:47 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease if you believe that russia is some evil state and the invasion is 100% unjustified, then you'd also have to recognize that the young men dying have been pressed and propagandized into fighting an unjust war. so, yes, i think it's pretty evil for someone with your POV to celebrate their deaths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589957) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:50 AM Author: clear parlour He hates Russian men because when he lived in Russia (which, he did!) Russian women preferred them to him. Now he wants them to all die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589982) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:52 AM Author: motley box office LMAO
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-men-erectile-dysfunction-2012-1 |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:54 AM Author: clear parlour Makes your failure to get laid in Russia even sadder! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590001) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:55 AM Author: motley box office LMAO! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590010) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590024) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:16 AM Author: Anal Milky Pervert devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590113) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:49 PM Author: Shaky boyish set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591465) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:51 AM Author: motley box office "they are prethed," lisped the russiacuck
lol @ your fake empathy for these mindless ghouls who destroy everything in their path and none for the actual victims
odd case |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:53 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease link to me celebrating ukranian deaths? as you were typing this i was responding above lamenting them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589999) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:55 AM Author: motley box office no, you're lamenting that Ukraine wont just submit to the genocidal russian boot
maybe stop trying to be some moral big hearted humanist. it's very unconvincing |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease you can criticize my position but at least it's consistent. your positions are completely incoherent and unprincipled. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590022) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:58 AM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590033) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:00 AM Author: motley box office youre way out of your element. Ukraine is fighting because to lose to get slaughtered and sent to camps anyways
you just think they should save the lives of orcs that are "pressed" into service lol
get off your high horse |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:03 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease Date: April 17th, 2024 11:00 AM Author: Trump is the Lib Killer (TDNW)
youre way out of your element. Ukraine is fighting because to lose to get slaughtered and sent to camps anyways
i'm out of my element? this is completely unhinged.
"putin is literally hitler! he's going to put ukranians in concentration camps!"
wtf are you talking about?! |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:04 AM Author: motley box office you're either trolling and not arguing in good faith or you are just this plain ignorant about the topic
good luck russiacuck |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:18 AM Author: clear parlour (guy who isn't Ukrainian lying through his teeth and pretending like he's actually from Ukraine)
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:17 AM Author: clear parlour "Ukraine is fighting because to lose to get slaughtered and sent to camps anyways"
This is a total lie. Tons of videos of Ukrainians in lands Russia took taking Russian passports and living happily. Ukraine slaughters them when they retake the land. The only people who get "sent to camps" are Azovites and Kraken types that get captured, because they're war criminals that think like you.
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:37 AM Author: Anal Milky Pervert "Ukraine" is a literal death cult (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590172) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:39 AM Author: clear parlour The government and their supporters for sure. But remember that most people there have zero choices and are there only because they didn't have the ability to leave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590179) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:58 AM Author: clear parlour Here's the real irony here. Pretty much everyone pro-Russian feels pretty bad for Ukrainian deaths, especially since many are either at the front or even in Ukraine because they are prevented from leaving by the government. Meanwhile, you don't gaf. You want all Russians to die because you hate Russians. Not because of Ukraine or because you're Ukrainian (you're not Ukrainian, you have no real ties to Ukraine, you talk shit about all Slavs) but because you're an asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590031) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:02 AM Author: motley box office im against invader scum. you support them cuz youre a loser who thinks ttt russia is some great country
also you have a hideous wife and you wagecuck in order to live in a florida swamp |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:02 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease this is somewhat of a civil war to them since they share ancient cultural, linguistic, etc. ties. although this fact seems to be lost on tdnw who, as a american of latino heritage, is fine just drawing a red line down a map. regardless of how actual ukranians, the people who he proports to support and speak for, feel about the matter themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590048) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:03 AM Author: motley box office lol, if only you had a clue as to how stupid you sound
poor russiacuck |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:09 AM Author: clear parlour Not even somewhat. This is 100% a civil war. Many Russians at the front have Ukrainian family and many Ukrainians at the front have Russian family. They were the same country in recent memory. Most Ukrainians actually speak Russian as their first language and you see that in many videos, especially when they become scared or panicked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590086) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:21 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease of course, tdnw falls back on his old "you're wrong stupid" conclusory bullshit. meanwhile you're family is ukranian and my opinion is based on speaking with several native ukranians. i'm sure the issue is very nuanced and ukranian nationalists have legitimate reasons for fighting. but it's just the objective truth that those on the front are strongly culturally linked to russia, to the point where for many it's the same culture. so idk how tdnw can just say "no" to that when that's how so many actual ukranians feel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590141) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:52 AM Author: clear parlour Keep in mind, for many "Ukrainian nationalism" is really just a proxy for Westernism. Many that support it think that if they win everyone will be rich like in Germany (they LOVE Germany and imagine that everyone is wealthy there and drives a BMW) or Sweden. By the way, these people exist in Russia too, of course. But there's been enough anti-Russia hate out of the West that in Russia they're now a tiny minority. In Ukraine they're also losing their steam as reality has started to set in - pretty much everyone has dead or seriously wounded family or close friends from the war, in many cases several or more. One guy I knew from Kiev was liveblogging his mandatory conscription on an approximately weekly basis. The updates got worse and worse. The last one said almost everyone from his original territorial defense unit was dead. He was one of the last survivors and he was getting sent back. Then we never heard from him again. I remember arguing with this guy about politics. I told him back in 2008 that I was worried that this was heading towards a war with Russia. Him and others said that I was nuts and that it would never, ever happen and that whatever Ukrainian politics was like, Ukraine isn't going to fight Russia because everyone would die. He used to like to speak in Ukrainian and when I mentioned it he thought I was offended that he liked to speak Ukrainian, so he said he would only speak Russian if I preferred. That's Ukrainian politics in a nutshell. I had zero issue with Ukrainian back then and told him that. It was just a regional dialect, I could understand it fine. In our Kiev office people would have conversations where some spoke Russian and some spoke Ukrainian and it was nbd. Hilariously, when I arrived there I pissed off a bunch of people because I refused to discuss politics and they decided that this was because I was a pompous asshole (one was yelling "oh look, this guy is from Moscow and before that from the US! He isn't Ukrainian and doesn't have to discuss Ukrainian politics, it has nothing to do with him!"). They didn't actually care that I was pro-Russian, back then the largest political party in Ukraine (the Party of Regions) was pro-Russian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590231) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: motley box office lol @ you riding on the coattails of a trip to Kiev 15+ years ago
you’ve really got your finger on the pulse of the country lmao |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:11 PM Author: clear parlour I lived there more recently too, but Kiev was more interesting because it was a more mixed group than in Kharkov. But more importantly, my family is from Ukraine so our connections aren't just based on some trip or whatever. They didn't start with a trip either. None of that is true for you though. You aren't from there, you have no family there. If the entire country died you would say it is "sad" and then go back to watching whatever bullshit you watch. I have no idea why you think you're somehow qualified to speak for Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590299) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:11 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease you know tdnw is dun hurr when he just repeats the same conclusory bullshit and adhoms. if you had anything intelligent to say to rebut pumo's position you would have said it. but, of course, you don't, so it's just "lol russiacuck", etc. etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590300) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
So which Ukrainian city do you currently live in, TDNW? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:10 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease it's obvious to anyone paying attention that this is the case. i know that there are some "real" ukranian nationalists where this is more than just about westernization and i was trying to be charitable by calling it "nuanced" than what it obviously is and has been from the beginning -- a proxy war over western influence.
just like every fucking war involving the west since ww2. vietnam, syria, afghanistan, iraq... you would think by now people would realize this but no, we seem to have a limitless tolerance for swallowing propaganda that this is actually about protecting the people in those countries, despite that fact millions die and we wind up losing anyway. as you point out, one side is fighting for their way of life and one is fighting for geopolitical reasons, and those stakes are just mismatched. it's why we can't hold down afghanistan and why israel can't hold down gaza.
but, the west did accomplish it's goal! the purpose was to weaken our "enemy" russia. we made them have some pain in getting what they wanted. and, hey, it's just another example of where we only had to sacrifice billions of dollars and millions of foreigners lives to do so. usa! usa! |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:12 PM Author: High-end titillating turdskin man where did you learn so much about eastern europe? i really wish I had your insight. do you think you could teach me, gunner?
you're like so deep and wise. its like you just "get" stuff without even worrying about details. one day maybe i'll be smart like you. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:17 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i don't assert to know that much about eastern europe. notice that i'm relying on positions from friends from the region and admitting that there are ukranian nationalists where this is beyond just westernization.
what i am an expert in is western geopolitical policy. even if ukranian nationalists were 100% justified, our support of them would not be based on that. the west's support has nothing to do with eastern european politics. we're using them as tools. that's it, and that's how it's always been.
notice how we never significantly engage in bloody african conflicts where geopolitical issues aren't at stake. why do you suppose we are so concerned with ukraine but not conflicts where western influence isn't at stake? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:22 PM Author: clear parlour Why don't you tell us what part of Ukraine you're from. I did that above. Your turn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590329) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:25 PM Author: High-end titillating turdskin Do you really want to get into details, jew? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590340) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:27 PM Author: motley box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590353) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:33 PM Author: clear parlour The details of where you're from? Yes, you should do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590385) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: clear parlour Real Ukrainian nationalism is generally associated with Western Ukraine (Galicia) and they have a unique history. The population density is also quite a bit lower there so the number of people who fall into the "genuine Ukrainian nationalist" and not just Western proxy types is actually pretty small. They definitely exist though. Zelinsky constantly made fun of them in his show.
"but, the west did accomplish it's goal! the purpose was to weaken our "enemy" russia. we made them have some pain in getting what they wanted"
It is a really narrow view. Yes, Russia lost a lot of lives and what they get from Ukraine will be of lesser value than if it was all intact. But Russia has rearmed. They have moved MUCH closer to China in a very real way. The impact of this cannot be overstated. Russia has upped their alliance with Iran and North Korea too. Any possible move towards the West is now unthinkable within Russia. Many of the people that have been cheering Russian deaths have been people who showed up during the Yeltsin years claiming to be friends of Russia and many Russian liberals have seen that a lot of the anti-Russian rhetoric is specifically made to apply to them too. The US sanctions regime has been permanently damaged. So I would argue that while Russia has had some costs, the damage to the US and the West is significantly worse. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:23 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i'm being factitious, i'm certainly not qualified to say whether russia is worse or better off. only that our goal from the beginning was to cause russia some pain and weaken them. we did that, but perhaps it backfired and they are ultimately stronger for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590335) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:35 PM Author: clear parlour I think you accurately summarized what our establishment earnestly believes and their goals. It was just a terrible idea from day 1. Incidentally, Trump actually called this out many years ago to scoffs from the establishment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590393) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:39 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i've pointed this out to TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG several times, yet for some reason he continues to bare the TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG moniker. my position on this is virtually identical to trump's and always has been, yet TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG just accuses me of being a retarded russiacuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590421) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590519) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:05 PM Author: motley box office Trump sent deadly weapons to Ukraine when Obamacuck didn’t
he prevented russia from invading earlier
and he has said that if russia doesn’t agree to a peace deal then he will send more aid to Ukraine than they have ever had
how are you similar again? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:18 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease ""I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know Putin very well, even better. And I had a good relationship, very good with both of them. I would tell Zelenskyy, ‘No more. You got to make a deal.’ I would tell Putin, 'If you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to [give Ukraine] more than they ever got if we have to.' I will have the deal done in one day. One day," Trump responded."
and your position here is that him telling ‘No more. You got to make a deal' is that that deal would be a return to pre-2022 borders?
i know you don't actually believe that trump is a big ukraine supporter. you should just go back to not responding when i point out that your moniker makes no sense considering your primary issue is ukraine. i mean, why do you think the MAGA right is so against more aid? why did trump propose that this aid be in the form of a loan?
it's funny how you accuse tmf of being a shapeshifting kike but then just lie when the facts don't support you. if you sincerely believe trump is pro-ukraine you're even dumber than i thought. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:27 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591237) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:55 PM Author: motley box office I never mentioned 2022 borders retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591325) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:01 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease so you agree with me that russia and ukraine should make peace, and ukraine will have to cede some territory? if so, what are we even discussing here? that's been my position the whole time.
expecting a comprehensive answer here where tdnw clearly lays out his position rather than his good ole non-sequitur + insult one-two combo. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:12 PM Author: motley box office you’re too misinformed to see the thing as a whole so there’s no point in engaging you
bottom line is that Ukraine is a rational actor, if you don’t think so then you’re a stupid russiacuck so join tmf and nsams |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:16 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease "expecting a comprehensive answer here where tdnw clearly lays out his position rather than his good ole non-sequitur + insult one-two combo."
i can't believe that i said this is what you'd do, and instead of just not responding, you literally come here and do it. holy shit dude. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:23 PM Author: motley box office you’re too poorly informed to educate you on this medium
hth |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:25 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i just asked what peace deal you thought trump was referring to. that literally requires no information about the conflict whatsoever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591433) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: motley box office funny how you think nothing requires any more information than you already think you have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591576) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 6:29 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease still waiting on the peace proposal you think trump would insist Ukraine take that doesn't include cedeing territory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591597) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 11:12 AM Author: slate fighting university Why are you so stupid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47592831) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 11:29 AM Author: motley box office ?
mike johnson confirmed that trump is a 100% Ukrainemo |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:31 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall you don't give a flying fuck about ukrainians or ukraine.
if you did, the easy answer is russia can just go home. but you've never once advocated for that. russia is the aggressor and the invading force. It's very convenient to say "man all this death is just really intolerable, i wish the ukrainians would just compromise and give up 1/2 their country so all this death can come to an end." |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:36 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease what kind of position is that? that's the easy answer? that's nonsense. you might as well be watching hitler invade austria and saying "wow, that big meanie! he should quit it!"
we're talking about the reality of the situation. yeah, sure, it would be real swell if russia just packed up and left. it would also be real nice if i could legally compel all women to fellate me. sadly, i don't see a pragmatic way to accomplish either of those. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:16 AM Author: flatulent ruby faggotry library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590114) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:28 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall Russia being unjustified and evil doesn't necessarily mean the soldiers fighting on its behalf don't support it.
That said, celebrating anyone's death per se is evil. Here, it represents Ukrainian military success and progress toward victory. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:29 PM Author: motley box office pussy faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590362) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:32 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i wonder how much actual informed support an 18 year old soldier can give who has, at least from the wests view, been propagandized to their entire lives? if the west's description of russia is accurate, these young men are being tricked into dying for something they are being lied about. i wouldn't say that's actual support. and i think in that scenario their deaths are tragic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590381) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:35 PM Author: motley box office most russian invaders are 30-50 and are the absolute refuse of humanity
just like the russiacucks that support them invading europe |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:44 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall if yo ucare about all the innocent 18 year olds, maybe your position should be "russia should just go home".
I don't hear you saying that. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:48 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease i think we should peacefully resolve our issues and that war is brutal, inhumane, and stupid. it would be darn swell if russia would just leave ukraine and they could both just return to the negotiating table and iron out their issues in good faith.
there. now can we get back to discussing reality? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:03 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall ok so the reality is that the death would end if russia left. the rest of the world has the means to make that happen and they should.
your turn. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:07 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease the death will also end if there is peace. the west does not have the means to force russia to leave because they do not have the political will to use their resources to do so. being that your solution is impossible, we should encourage a peaceful resolution.
your turn. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:53 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall I disagree and believe that there does exist the political will required to defeat russia. given that you are wrong on this issue, i suppose we agree that russia should leave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590761) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:55 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease would you like to make some sort of wager? you believe this conflict will end with a return to the pre-2022 borders or russia losing territory?
so far i've been right. the political will has not existed. you're the one asserting that something will change in the future. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:40 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall No i don't want to make a bet. I think the correctness of either of our positions is dependent in large part on whether a ukraine aid bill can be passed. It does look like that is likely to happen despite your reference to political will. With increased support for Ukraine in Europe specifically from France, Germany, UK and Poland (despite tensions last year), i do think the resources will be provided to again change momentum in their favor.
This would coincide with the delivery of long awaited fleet F-16s.
I may be wrong, but my goal isn't to pwn people and feel like i won a debate. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:49 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease that's fine. i don't proport to know the future either. however, i think a lot of aid has been given already, and more aid isn't the type of thing i think will turn the tides in the war.
the fact that this aid bill has been hotly contested and still hasn't passed is exactly the type of window into *why* i don't think that the west has the political will to stop russia. and, being that i don't think this will turn the tides, is exactly the type of thing that i believe will unnecessarily prolong the conflict and result in more deaths. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:58 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall i guess we'll just have to see what unfolds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590990) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:58 PM Author: clear parlour We will indeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590995) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:14 PM Author: clear parlour "ok so the reality is that the death would end if Russia left"
It would also end if Ukraine surrendered. It would also end if the borders were opened and everyone anti-Russia left to the EU. It would also end if Zelinsky said "haha, just kidding, I'm a comedian after all. Sorry if I took the joke too far." |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:43 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant The article says Ukraine has no air defense and Russia can bomb anything it wants to freely. That's why it's so outrageous that they hit a hospital! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589924) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:04 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590062) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:41 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
TDNW: "LOL Russia is so fukt, they're almost out of ammo for the 20th time and they're down to fielding 50 year old drunken ex-cons waiving rusty shovels around. This is just pathetic."
Also TDNW: "Wahhhhhhhh, OMG look at all this horrible destruction that the Russian army just somehow managed to inflict 600kms deep into Ukrainian territory, this is so ridiculous and horrible wahhhhh fuck you, you evil orcs!"
And he never even spots how insanely contradictory his own "positions" are. Almost as if he's actually just a short angry retarded brown man, or something. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:40 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant Good. Ukrainians don't need medical care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589913) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:44 AM Author: dashing azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589936) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:46 AM Author: motley box office u mean that time hamas bombed their own hospital and claimed the israelis killed 500 people?
lol @ hamascucks. not sure who is more despicable and ghoulish between you and the russiacucks |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:49 AM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease lmao you are beyond hope. i wonder if suppressing this cognitive dissonance causes you any anxiety at all, or if you're just too dumb to understand that these are fundamentally incompatible ideas to hold at the same time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47589967) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:53 AM Author: motley box office i dont even know who you are, so your thoughts dont concern me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590000) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:05 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant TDNW thinks dead babies in Gaza are 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590066) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:51 PM Author: Shaky boyish set To be fair,
Yeah but that's totally different, the Palestinians are "terrorists" while the Ukrainians are "freedom fighters." Learn to read, retard. Idiot! |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:48 AM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant Ukraine claims 16 dead and 61 wounded now. The real numbers must be huge.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31239 |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:30 PM Author: flesh cruise ship therapy the both-siderism in this thread is off the charts. Russia parks artillery outside of towns and levels them. They fire missiles into residential areas of dense cities far from the front. They did Bucha. They torture those who do not submit to their rule. We're talking tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians killed and millions displaced. Children removed to Russia and "re-educated". I won't even get into what they do to their own soldiers. The Russians are barbaric. This country needs a new red scare. Put people like TMF and gunnerat under oath and make them own this publicly. Let their employers hear their support for fascism. Remove this fuckers from government agencies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590365) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:34 PM Author: motley box office Cr
russiacucks are insane trash people and they need to go back |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:34 PM Author: High-end titillating turdskin See, gunner has an inner wisdom that allows him to see /through/ those things. He's a big picture guy. He is really above such small minded thinking.
Also he can't really afford to take a position that is not XO-approved as he is a newfag. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:46 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease what? i get routinely lambasted for a lot of my positions here. i stood with lynn conway ffs. and i've been here for over 15 years. this criticism is bizarre.
i'd also like to note that you and tdnw are rushing to give LTM 180s and CRs. at this point i think he's actually running a retard schtick. but even if he's genuine, perhaps you should consider whether your views aligning with his is a good or bad thing. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:49 PM Author: flatulent ruby faggotry library tbf 15 years poasting is still noob territory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590475) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:25 PM Author: High-end titillating turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590606) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:08 PM Author: motley box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591029) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:52 PM Author: Shaky boyish set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591486) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:36 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591890) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:37 PM Author: clear parlour "This country needs a new red scare."
This is much more revolting than anything I've ever said in my life. Imagine honestly lamenting that McCarthyism doesn't make a comeback. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:39 PM Author: flesh cruise ship therapy I'm not talking about anything as bad as McCarthyism. Just a dash of that is needed. Enough with these fuckers justifying crimes against humanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590414) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:39 PM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant You thought it was better for Ukrainians to die than to have Russian passports.
You own these deaths.
All of them.
On both sides. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: clear parlour The main "Red Scare" was McCarthyism. And you're fucked in the head.
"Enough with these fuckers justifying crimes against humanity."
(guy proposing actual crimes against Americans) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:44 PM Author: flatulent ruby faggotry library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590444) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:54 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease LtM has moved on from his thoughtful moderate schtick and now is just pure shitlib. of course, the freedom loving right wing populists like tdnw and lfod are openly supportive of this. i guess without regard to that their glorious leader trump would also be blacklisted, considering we both have the same position on ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590492) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: flesh cruise ship therapy I am a radical centrist. I do not simply take the center position on an issue. Here, no one with any moral fiber could justify Russian actions or claim that Ukraine is not worthy of support. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590516) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:02 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease radical centrists don't advocate for putting people on trial for their political views. you have to wait until the actual radicals do that and then say "oh i don't like that, but i understand why they did it! those views are bad!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590527) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:16 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590573) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:10 PM Author: motley box office you reds should be thrown into the sea, not put on trial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591041) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:02 PM Author: clear parlour "Radical centrists" do not lament the lack of government political persecution, as you just did with wishing that we had a "Red Scare" LTM. That's just being an insane shitlib. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590530) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:09 PM Author: motley box office *holds hand to your sloped russian Jew brow*
“It’s afraid!” |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:38 PM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant There's no hypocrisy at all. Babies are dying because Ukraine followed the advice of people like you and TDNW. I told you shitheads how to avoid all this two years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590412) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:52 PM Author: flesh cruise ship therapy Unfortunately there's no avoiding it. Putin has some stupid 19th-century worldview and he's bent on conquest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590483) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:01 PM Author: clear parlour Fun fact: Putin has never launched an unprovoked "war of conquest" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590524) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:02 PM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant That's why he's bombing hospitals in Russia right now. He's just crazy like that. It would suck to go the hospital in Russia right now. Much better to go to the hospital in Ukraine from 2022 - present. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591363) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:00 PM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant Everywhere in Russia this isn't a problem. People are only dying because they took your advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591352) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:56 PM Author: Sepia concupiscible piazza weed whacker agreed.
but how can we have the moral high ground when we support genocidal Israel? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:58 PM Author: flesh cruise ship therapy I am against Israel's actions in Gaza, but I think Russia has far less justification for its invasion and behavior. Bad or misguided policy on one front does not justify closing our eyes to Russian human rights abuses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590504) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:14 PM Author: clear parlour "but I think Russia has far less justification for its invasion and behavior"
I lolled irl at this one. Tyft. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:27 PM Author: clear parlour By the way, I lol at the fact that you think that anyone who dares question US policy in Ukraine should be outright persecuted but other areas are just fine. In reality, the support for persecuting anyone that questions US policy on Israel is much stronger and would happen long before the McCarthyist bullshit you yearn for made a revival. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590906) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:53 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease no, you don't get it, ltm just wants to suppress opinions *he* disagrees with, and there is no possibly way that could ever backfire in ways he didn't anticipate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590976) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 2:54 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590977) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:42 PM Author: motley box office he wanths to suppreth opinionths
I know nothing about you as a poster but you strike me as a huge fag |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:58 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease well i suppose you win this debate because you added lisping sounds. i'm not surprised you don't know who i am, we've had this debate several times, but your cognition is obviously pretty impaired. i mean, you also seem to think we're still living in cold war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591156) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:07 PM Author: motley box office this is a hot war, you fucking retard. we are just the only ones on the planet not ready for it
are you a gook? |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:21 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease it's a hot war involving two countries not named the united states. and i'm not particularly worried about russia considering they haven't managed to take ukraine in two years. probably not ready to launch a land invasion in the us.
no, i'm nearly 100% western european. ok, now you go. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:57 PM Author: motley box office russia and china are on full war footing and shitlibs like you are lamely saying “well they didn’t touch us soooo..”
you’re a low t fag, so even if you aren’t gook you might as well be
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:07 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease ok, so to be clear, you agree we're not at war and you've declined to answer about your genealogy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591383) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 6:25 PM Author: motley box office lol, we are 100% at war except we think we can just sit this one out
I’m 100% western european, you mongrel |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 3:24 PM Author: clear parlour We can easily walk away from Ukraine with zero consequences.
You are 100% a liar. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:04 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall cr. the correct positions are pro-ukraine, pro-palestinian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590537) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:15 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease the correct position is: "the us doesn't have the responsibility or the moral authority to intervene in foreign conflicts that have nothing to do with us." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590571) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:17 PM Author: clear parlour I'll also add: or the background to make calls on who is right or wrong. All of these conflicts have roots that go back longer than the US has even existed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590578) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:22 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease might as well throw in "the us's history of imperialism has been an unmitigated disaster for the peoples of those countries, and if we truly cared for those people we should allow them to govern themselves." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590596) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:30 PM Author: flatulent ruby faggotry library so much this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590629) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:52 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590755) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 1:01 PM Author: trip honey-headed hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47590525) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:13 PM Author: motley box office great thread
hilarious to see tmf freak tf out when Red Scare was mentioned
he needs to go back |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:16 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease ...to ukraine, you mean?
meanwhile, aren't you literally a latino who immigrated?
odd use of "he needs to go back" here. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:18 PM Author: motley box office my roots go back 4+ generations
tmf is a devious ratface who serves globohomo and putin, so he needs to go back |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:53 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease ...to ukraine? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591141) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:07 PM Author: motley box office yeah he should. his own people would know what to do with him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591201) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:29 PM Author: clear parlour Uh-huh. "On my grandma's grandpa's side, one guy immigrated from Ireland back during the Potato Famine. Ignore the rest that immigrated from Guatemala."
Also, lol @ describing someone who opposes NATO expansion as being the REAL supporter of globalhomo. What a joke. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: motley box office you suck globohomo dick as their in house, and you rant on xo for mongrel russia to invade Christian Europe
you’re a regular Charlemagne |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 8:34 PM Author: clear parlour Are you drunk or something?
Date: April 17th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: Trump is the Lib Killer(TDNW)
you suck globohomo dick as their in house, and you rant on xo for mongrel russia to invade Christian Europe you’re a regular Charlemagne |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:31 PM Author: clear parlour Mostly in that some guy who is claiming to be a "radical moderate" that opposes all sorts of neocon things suddenly declaring that anyone who disagrees with him on a particular issue needs to be purged is bizarre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591246) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:00 PM Author: motley box office it’s not anyone, it’s insidious rat faces like you who never should have been allowed to come to the US who need to be sent packing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591353) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:11 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease it's crazy that you try to make this a jewish issue when jews love american imperialism and the leader of ukraine is a jew. you can scream kike and rat-faced all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that like 80% of the MAGA right, and trump, are against endlessly funding to ukraine and want a peaceful resolution asap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591396) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:13 PM Author: motley box office I did t mention jews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591402) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:17 PM Author: Ruddy Cracking Property Mad Cow Disease were you talking about rat faced guatemalans? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591416) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:24 PM Author: motley box office (guy who hasn’t seen tmf and Mandy’s pics) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591431) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:29 PM Author: clear parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47593137) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:30 PM Author: Anal Milky Pervert He's talking about his in-laws (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47593141) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:30 PM Author: clear parlour Hilariously, this applies even more to you. And unlike my wife and I, you and yours contribute absolutely nothing back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47593140) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 3:01 PM Author: motley box office yeah leeches like you two have added a lot to America lmao
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Date: April 18th, 2024 3:25 PM Author: clear parlour Correct. Meanwhile your wife (a recent immigrant) and you (someone who didn't pay taxes even before) are a massive net loss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47593304) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 3:27 PM Author: motley box office lololol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47593314) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 5:05 PM Author: Excitant yapping legal warrant This isn't even being mentioned in the New York Times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591371) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: twinkling odious space rach, can you sticky this thread as a containment zone for future slavic jewfight wastelands? tyia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47591617) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 5:44 AM Author: motley box office cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518626&forum_id=2#47592626) |