completely unmoderated spaces wind up just being spam.

then lightly moderated places like xo are where are the people kicked off of the major platforms go. and you see how that turns out -- charles gets fired for mere association. the culture inevitably shifts to stormfront shit, because it's the only place it's tolerated, where MPC types eventually force all the quality people away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595197)

it's not market preference. tendrils slither in over time and change it from thing the founders and users never wanted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595232)

There was no “skinsuiting” of these companies—this is what they have always been the goals/purpose just had to shift as public discourse changed and the incompetence of jews and their various mud slaves increased

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595238)

the rub is that these people think the market is infallible and that the internet would always be open. so might as well let some private equity in, because you can always just create a new reddit or twitter. than BAM! either their creations were stolen from them (jack dorsey), they were evil autists all along (zuckerberg), or they join the club (huffman).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595252)

Go back to reddit mudkike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595256)

https://digg.com/

Anyway, didn’t Schwartz steal a bunch of scholarly work that wasn’t his and try to publish it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595262)

he wasn't trying to publish them for profit. the authors don't get JSTOR fees. he was trying to make public documents behind a paywall available to the public.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595283)

Monetization and growth ruined everything. People forget: the internet used to be nerdy. It was for nerds. Computers were cumbersome to deal with and stuff didn't always work exactly if you didn't know what you were doing.

The internet was a lot like XO. Not everyone was on it and it was mostly white and Asian men who were nerds IRL and the whole culture was fratty and chill.

As platforms expanded their user base they got more normie. The truth is that normies ruin everything because they're proles. They're fundamentally boring and unimaginative. Before Facebook in the 2010s Boomers weren't on social media at all. And Zuck didn't rope them in just so they could hang out together on a defunct Web 1.0 message board. He did it so he could sell them ads and get them to buy things. And the way he got boomers was he turned the site extremely political and boosted subthread wastelands which boomers got incredibly emotionally invested in arguing with their childhood friend from 50 years ago about Qanon. Imagine if Rach was boosting terrible nyuug threads because they made him a ton of money. This is the influence of monetization, and of stupid people having power because there are a lot of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595376)

it goes even further back than that. look at usenet and eternal september. before AOL forums were only populated by super fucking nerds, either in tech or on college campuses. then when AOL opened up the internet to the masses the influx of new users shitted everything up. that's most of us here -- nerds who got on the internet in the 90s.

the iphone was just a much more massive version of that. before that to use a forum you'd have to be hunched over a pc at home. it was much more intentional. then the iphone came in and *EVERYONE* was on. so now every forum and social media platform is chasing these normies. and it also results in content being whittled more and more down into bite size chunks. we went from text boards to tiktok. zoomers wouldn't have the attention span for a text only forum like xoxo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595425)

Another big shift I remember was Xbox 360. The same jocks who would never have played video games in high school in the 90s were now playing Halo around the clock. That was the first console I can remember girls owning. Before that it was just nerdy guys who were into video games and they were all heady and cool. Since then mass consumer nonsense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595446)

accessibility lowers the barrier to entry by definition, which means dumber people are allowed in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595476)

the organization has since been taken over by rabid ideological shitlibs. it's now running on fumes and only maintains its "market share" due to a sort of first mover advantage that hasn't yet withered away, sort of like myspace and facebook did for a long time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595274)

anytime someone tries to create a competing, radically free speech platform it is immediately taken over by MPC stormfront types, which discourage regular people from participating. look at the unhinged quotemo in this thread. most people won't tolerate that shit forever. it's just no fun. hence why even xo has lost most of its quality contributors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595329)

the reason why radically free speech platforms aren't popular is because not very many people want to use them. most people want moderated normie spaces and don't have any interest in discussing weird contrarian stuff or saying naughty no no words that theyve been programmed to find revolting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595358)

i think the early internet and what twitter, reddit, facebook, etc. used to be like is a good example of how normies *would* like radically free speech places with light touch moderation such as banning harassment, spam, gore, cp, etc. back in the day i would post nigger and faggot to my friend's facebook walls publicly. i remember getting a notification a few years ago that all those posts were deleted lol.

the rub is two-fold. one, if you get large enough, you are eventually tempted by money, even if it's just to pay the costs of the service. this camel's nose eventually leads to something like twitter -- slowly, over time, it's become content moderated center-left only shit. second, especially when using volunteer moderators, the type that do this job become petty tyrants. what constitutes "harassment" or whatever varies and is subjective, and eventually the road to viewpoint based moderation starts.

we had our shot and missed it. i think this is what musk is trying to do with twitter, but he's too autistic and erratic, so it doesn't seem to be going well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595382)

the reason why normal people used to say nigger and faggot is because that was what normal people said and did at that point in time. normal people no longer say nigger and faggot, so nobody wants to hang out on an internet forum where people say nigger and faggot

normal people DO still want to be free to express a range of ideas (this is what "freedom of speech" actually is). it's why younger, hipper people have moved to private group chats for all their online socializing. places like reddit are running on fumes and will eventually die out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595427)

"radical free speech" would mean gore, cp, etc. too. which even "free speech" platforms moderated. perhaps nigger and faggot have just moved over into the unacceptable content range. however, it seems like slurs are making a big resurgence amongst gen z, there is a big pushback against wokescold shit. i seems we are trending back to the days where as long as you aren't using them as sincere hate it's ok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595464)

Libs ruin everything is part of it, but the better answer is that money does. NPR going from a small content creator for public radio stations in the 70s that mostly played classical music to a big news company post 9/11 to the epicenter of woke ideology is not only about shitlibs. It's about revenue. Every company begins to cater to their fans. If the Washington Post began saying nice things about Trump people would cancel their subscriptions and go somewhere else. Once you monetize you begin to follow the mores of the subscribers or the advertisers. If Johnson and Johnson doesn't want their ad next to Pepe doing a Roman salute it will get censored.

In summation money is a bigger problem than woke mind virus. I think this is perhaps something Elon couldn't foresee with great clarity. You can't both optimize for revenue and optimize for free speech. By definition free speech will offend certain parties, and of that party is a source of revenue, be it advertiser or subscriber, there's now a conflict of interest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595604)

a better answer is that these two are one in the same, and a better answer than that is that it's the ruling class, represented by the establishment left and right, who hold all the money.

we're mostly aggrieved about the left wing nonsense. but just tune into fox news and see that the right has plenty of dumb boomers too. the establishment plays both these sides against it each other to keep people fighting over culture war nonsense. we play into their hands when we squabble about it too.

do you think the pelosi types *care* about wokeness? obama and biden were against gay marriage when first elected. now there's "at least three genders." they don't care about the ideas being pushed, they don't believe in it themselves. they just want people fighting about wokeness and shit to keep the masses fighting amongst each other rather than looking at them. they're both controlled opposition against the other because they're really the same thing.

what is the difference between bush, biden, obama, and romney really? they'll squabble about exactly what the income threshold for a 37% marginal rate should be so it looks like there are two sides, but both are fine keeping the swiss cheese tax code as it is that benefits the ruling class. they'll fight endlessly about funding dem programs but neither side actually wants to do what it would take to solve the underlying problem. the fights are all distractions. let's argue about the holocaust center, if you're against it your antisemitic, if you're for it you want more government waste. rage about an couple million dollar appropriation endlessly while the vast majority of the budget is quietly funneled into labyrinth of graft and foreign wars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595689)

If you look at the microcosm of Texas politics (really, a macrocosm as there is nothing micro about Texas at all), there is an entrenched political oligarchy of old money oil families who are still neocons and love George P Bush et al. But if you look at state wide elections and state senate races which are larger than Congressional districts, populism gets a lot more votes than neocon RINOs.

My point is that there is an appetite for grassroots. There is an appetite for people who want to watch Breaking Points and read Taibbi on Substack. The demand for independent journalism and XO style content is out there. Human beings didn't all give up on life as we know it. There are more dissidents out there. Some of them found themselves on X fka Twitter. Some on Rumble. Some on The Blaze. What's kooky is that this all hasn't become an institution in itself. Daily Wire and Tim Pool tried and largely failed to become dominant in the space.

I think the issue is that the Overton window of dissidents from black pillers and neonazis to walk-away leftists like Tulsi is too broad. There is no particular center. Maybe one day we will see a realignment. What's funny is Trump seems to be the only thing keeping the movement together. He is the head of the snake. The only thing everyone in this band of deplorables can agree on. Otherwise there is little to no consensus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595773)

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47595718)

Results, even those from GOOG itself. XO

Neglects discussing platforms zoomers use

Like Discord, where small servers *can* say "nigger."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519375&forum_id=2#47597023)