WTF was Japan thinking with Pearl Harbor?
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Date: April 22nd, 2024 9:08 PM Author: very tactful sound barrier
Itt: guy with 20/20 hindsight mocks the decision making of Japanese generals privy to 2929282280298283x more information than he has
Japan was stupid to fight a war with America. But if a war had to happen, pearl harbor had the right idea.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47602954) |
Date: April 22nd, 2024 9:10 PM Author: Hairraiser stage
literally japan's only chance to win the war was to embargo russia's siberia port so land/lease couldn't happen and invade russia at the same time as barbarossa started
but they would have needed germany to give them advance notice (they didn't) and they would have had to both override the very powerful japanese naval bureaucracy which insisted on sea war focus *and* to launch a ground war cutting off japanese supplies when japan was super wary of another ground war against russia given the last one they got totally assraped
put it together and they were simply fucked
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47602960) |
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Date: April 28th, 2024 8:45 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
See below. I didn't want to say too much about this without a source to back me up. If you see the thread below it's pretty fuckin obvious that Japan miscalculated out of pure fear. The army in particular was gripped with THE FEAR.
In retrospect, Japan's alliance with Germany mean jack shit if there was no defensive alliance. As it stands, doesn't it seem weird that Japan never did shit to help Germany, and Germany never did shit to help Japan, even though they were supposed to be on the same team against Russia and NOT the USA?
It's fucked up. The Kwantung Army was supposed to fierce, but they were more afraid to fight Russia than the navy was afraid to fight the USA. They could have easily defeated Russia but they didn't take their shot in 41.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47616538) |
Date: April 22nd, 2024 9:11 PM Author: chocolate newt
With US oil embargo Japan had to choose:
1) abandon empire
2) go to war
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47602961) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 9:11 AM Author: Haunting Indian Lodge
mostly cr except everyone knew USA was the 800 lb gorilla
The entire UK war strategy from May 1940-Dec 1941 was based around getting the US into the war because they knew it was their only chance
This was true even in 1917 in fact, and it's why Germany yolo'd the 100 days offensive in spring 1918. everyone knew the USA was the differencemaker
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47603789) |
Date: April 22nd, 2024 10:37 PM Author: wine box office
As someone suggested above, they thought that if they hit hard enough, the US would just negotiate.
Given how they daddied Russia around earlier in the century, I can see how they might’ve assumed America would be submissive likewise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47603258) |
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Date: April 29th, 2024 1:17 PM
Author: ....,......,....;...,....,.,,,,.,,,,,.,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47618446) |
Date: April 24th, 2024 8:42 AM Author: wine box office
Also, the IJN was kind of on par with the US Pacific Fleet at the outset. Their planes were superior.
What they didn't understand, I guess, was that our capacity to build more carriers and planes - and improve them - vastly vastly outstripped theirs. All we had to do was prevent them from spreading too quickly in year 1, and then we steamrolled them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520547&forum_id=2...id#47606240) |
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