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Real talk: Germany’s performance in WW2 was sad and pathetic
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:35 AM Author: bearded cerebral hell new version They never stood a chance of winning that war against principled alpha men (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630839) |
Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:37 AM Author: Bonkers galvanic round eye Germany stood a good chance of winning if they had just continued the advance to Moscow during Operation Barbarossa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630844) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:38 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night No, the soviets had moved their production beyond the urals before the war (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630851) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:38 AM Author: Flesh Razzmatazz Tank doing their race thing they should've done after winning, not before. all of baltics, ukraine etc would've gladly joined against stalin. many did, but it would've been overwhelming (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630852) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:38 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night German soldiers outperformed Allied soldiers under all conditions by a 50% margin
They were almost superhuman
In a technical age though that can’t overcome a 3:1 to 10:1 production advantage in all categories |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:38 AM Author: Rose range In what ways did they outperform (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630853) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:41 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night Trevor N. Dupuy, a noted American military analyst, US Army Colonel, and author of numerous books and articles, studied the comparative performance of the soldiers of World War II. On average, he concluded, 100 German soldiers were the equivalent of 120 American, British or French soldiers, or 200 Soviet soldiers. “On a man for man basis,” Dupuy wrote, “German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances [emphasis in original]. This was true when they were attacking and when they were defending, when they had a local numerical superiority and when, as was usually the case, they were outnumbered, when they had air superiority and when they did not, when they won and when they lost.” Many other noted historians agreed with this assessment:
https://ihr.org/other/bestsoldiers
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:44 AM Author: Boyish Brunch many historians are saying this!
Is there some sort of averaging at play?
Does it account for surrendering? Mass numbers of Germans surrendered to the allies, seems this needs to be a part of analyzing fighting effectiveness. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: Big cowardly gaping locus Doesn't mean shit when you can't increase force projection, which is what the Americans and Soviets were able to do. The age of the noble ubermensch warrior is over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630899) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:03 AM Author: Vivacious Insane Keepsake Machete Wagecucks Pervitin intake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630927) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:48 AM Author: Drunken alpha Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630877) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: Big cowardly gaping locus go back to reddit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630904) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:01 AM Author: Lime Impertinent Fanboi The bullets don’t fly without supply (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630921) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:48 AM Author: Zippy passionate den fortuitous meteor Shirer said Barbarossa might have been different but Hitler went absolutely YSFFM on Yugoslavia or whatever and wasted the entire spring. Pretty classic case of "losing the forest for the trees" whereas a solid PM could have kept the deliverables on track (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630879) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:59 AM Author: Big cowardly gaping locus lol you mean the Italians invading Greece and totally fucking it up so the Germans had to bail them out? There was no way for Barbarossa to work unless the Germans increased their army by 3x |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:04 AM Author: Zippy passionate den fortuitous meteor What if Japan had helped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630930) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:05 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night if japan had invaded the soviet union at the same time as barbarossa it could have maybe made a difference
but germany didn't even telly japan about the invasion until it happened, and japan was too scared of the soviet union after getting its ass kicked by them earlier. it wasn't even seriously considered, the japan navy outranked its military |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: blathering bossy parlor Hitler lost any chance of beating the USSR long-term when Stalin had the foresight, at the start of the invasion, to move his armaments factories to safety in the Urals. As a result, by the time the battle of Stalingrad started, Russia was making several times more tanks a month than Germany was.
The war would have lasted longer if Hitler had concentrated on taking Moscow or if he had not gotten distracted in Yugoslavia. But the end result would have been the same.
Soviet production plus Lend Lease vastly outproduced Germany industry. In the face of that, the best soldiers in the world can only do so much. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:00 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630913) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:01 AM Author: Big cowardly gaping locus crazy how you don't apply this same logic to Ukraine war lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630916) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:25 AM Author: blathering bossy parlor If conquering Kiev or Odessa were an existential need for Russia, then yeah, it could probably do it eventually at extremely high cost.
But neither of those are, in fact, existential needs for Russia. Wanting to destroy someone else's country doesn't mean that you NEED to destroy their country.
That being the case, Russia will correctly decide, after taking the Donbas and maybe Kharkiv, that there are no further objectives that are worth the enormous cost. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:13 AM Author: Bateful mischievous ticket booth Germany lost because it could not effectively bomb and blockade the Soviets. That was because Germany did not have a viable Navy and U-Boats were too few in number when they were effective and ineffective when they had more available. Without the lend lease shipments, the Soviets fall. Without food, Britain would have surrendered. Alfred Thayer Mahan had it right. Layer on the complete inability to attack the US and the production core of the USSR and harharfucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630965) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:13 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night you should read conjuring hitler if you havn't yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630969) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:17 AM Author: Geriatric bearded patrolman set should have just left Russia alone, without the brutality of that invasion I don't think you could get the soviet people to commit to that kind of war just because Stalin wanted some more of Poland or whatever. Tough to say what kind of kooky shit would have happened long term, but Hitler could have kept most of Western Europe if he'd been the least bit chill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47630989) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:18 AM Author: Charismatic silver queen of the night soviet union was about 6 weeks from invading germany. they were fucked either way and preempting the soviet invasion war cr all things considered
it was basically no win for them, they were set up by globohomo as a sacrifice |
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Date: May 3rd, 2024 11:27 AM Author: Geriatric bearded patrolman set I don't think the soviets would have been willing to do anything like what they ended up having to do if they are the invaders though, nor do they get lend lease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5524403&forum_id=2#47631023) |