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If you had like 12 mil in a Trad IRA would you retire and take the penalty

Taxes + penalty under 59.5 years old
Mind-boggling hell
  05/08/24
Light it on fire
bright pocket flask trump supporter
  05/08/24
I would just borrow money and pay it off when I can withdraw...
olive church
  05/08/24
...
concupiscible pink electric furnace tattoo
  05/08/24
wow
Peach digit ratio mad-dog skullcap
  05/08/24
(guy getting the ENTIRE IRA amount treated as a distribution...
Bearded Appetizing Milk Dog Poop
  05/08/24
Can’t you use a SEPP to avoid penalty
Swollen keepsake machete market
  05/08/24
Yes Also I'm pretty sure you don't have to aggregate your...
startled beady-eyed telephone indirect expression
  05/08/24
gay marry a 59.5 yo man, have him withdraw it, and then gay ...
Peach digit ratio mad-dog skullcap
  05/08/24
HIV
Swollen keepsake machete market
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olive church
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Orchid Filthpig
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bright pocket flask trump supporter
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razzmatazz confused therapy cruise ship
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I will never retire and withdraw socially like that. I don't...
adventurous bat shit crazy piazza
  05/08/24
this thread isn't about you stupid mopey fat fuck
Stirring dull scourge upon the earth
  05/08/24
I just don't think anyone should ever retire. It's not a goa...
adventurous bat shit crazy piazza
  05/08/24
nobody cares what you think Mr Houston, TX.
Stirring dull scourge upon the earth
  05/08/24
That's not my name and not my town, brother.
adventurous bat shit crazy piazza
  05/08/24
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Scarlet resort
  05/08/24
I think it's niggaz and Jews.
olive church
  05/08/24
Pick one: abundant homeownership, retirement at a reasonable...
puce exciting sanctuary
  05/08/24
agree but owning real estate is good, just it shouldn’...
crystalline cheese-eating cumskin
  05/08/24
I don't disagree with owning real estate as an asset in some...
adventurous bat shit crazy piazza
  05/08/24
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gold comical school cafeteria
  05/08/24
stfu
Mind-boggling hell
  05/08/24
Today I would still plan to work for at least 10 more years....
Shivering national security agency
  05/08/24
I can't believe people still plan on sending their kids to c...
gold comical school cafeteria
  05/08/24
Or they can max out loans and do IDR w/ maxed out 401k.
concupiscible pink electric furnace tattoo
  05/08/24
Not requiring college, but I strongly suspect that predictio...
Shivering national security agency
  05/08/24
Yes
twinkling center
  05/08/24
I liquidated my IRA in my late 20s and used it to travel the...
spruce razzle-dazzle theater
  05/08/24
How much?
bright pocket flask trump supporter
  05/08/24
It wasn't a lot it was like 50 For some reason I started ...
spruce razzle-dazzle theater
  05/08/24
It doesn’t matter there’s going to be a massive ...
bright pocket flask trump supporter
  05/08/24
can you use an IRA to secure a LOC? maybe not a great idea n...
Electric Pit
  05/08/24
IIRC the interest you pay on a traditional IRA LOC is paid t...
concupiscible pink electric furnace tattoo
  05/08/24
i meant using the assets in an IRA as security for a separat...
Electric Pit
  05/08/24
I don’t think you can because of federal anti spendthr...
Underhanded 180 volcanic crater partner
  05/09/24
spaceporn could just go ahead and retire, no penalty
salmon dilemma
  05/08/24
u stoopid faggot u dont have to take the entire amount out, ...
Crawly doobsian base
  05/08/24
fuck u chink
Mind-boggling hell
  05/09/24
FYI you can avoid the penalty if you take substantially equa...
fishy institution
  05/09/24


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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:12 PM
Author: Mind-boggling hell

Taxes + penalty under 59.5 years old

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644918)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:13 PM
Author: bright pocket flask trump supporter

Light it on fire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644924)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:14 PM
Author: olive church

I would just borrow money and pay it off when I can withdraw without penalty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644926)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:21 PM
Author: concupiscible pink electric furnace tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644955)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:24 PM
Author: Peach digit ratio mad-dog skullcap

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644967)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:48 PM
Author: Bearded Appetizing Milk Dog Poop

(guy getting the ENTIRE IRA amount treated as a distribution in the current year and having to pay taxes and getting penalty-pwned LJL)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645499)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:23 PM
Author: Swollen keepsake machete market

Can’t you use a SEPP to avoid penalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644962)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: startled beady-eyed telephone indirect expression

Yes

Also I'm pretty sure you don't have to aggregate your IRA balances for purposes of calculating the SEPP - you do the SEPP calculation on the account value. So if doing a SEPP on the full 12 milli would make your income too high, you can just break off a chunk into a separate account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645075)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:26 PM
Author: Peach digit ratio mad-dog skullcap

gay marry a 59.5 yo man, have him withdraw it, and then gay divorce him

what would be a reasonable fee for this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644973)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:27 PM
Author: Swollen keepsake machete market

HIV

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644975)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: olive church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645112)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:23 PM
Author: Orchid Filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645828)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:29 PM
Author: bright pocket flask trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645185)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 3:02 PM
Author: razzmatazz confused therapy cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645554)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:04 PM
Author: adventurous bat shit crazy piazza

I will never retire and withdraw socially like that. I don't see the appeal.

It's not a question of money.

"Retirement" is not a math problem or even a desirable place to end up.

It's a real-life problem that we should all work hard to avoid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645085)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:05 PM
Author: Stirring dull scourge upon the earth

this thread isn't about you stupid mopey fat fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645089)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: adventurous bat shit crazy piazza

I just don't think anyone should ever retire. It's not a goal worth having.

In fact, I think it is things like obsession with retirement and obsession with home ownership that's destroying America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645111)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:17 PM
Author: Stirring dull scourge upon the earth

nobody cares what you think Mr Houston, TX.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645131)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:18 PM
Author: adventurous bat shit crazy piazza

That's not my name and not my town, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645137)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:18 PM
Author: Scarlet resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645138)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:19 PM
Author: olive church

I think it's niggaz and Jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645148)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:22 PM
Author: puce exciting sanctuary

Pick one: abundant homeownership, retirement at a reasonable age, and all niggers and jews deported, *OR* live in pods, work until death, but you get to keep the niggers and jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645403)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:31 PM
Author: crystalline cheese-eating cumskin

agree but owning real estate is good, just it shouldn’t be your own very expensive coffin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645426)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:35 PM
Author: adventurous bat shit crazy piazza

I don't disagree with owning real estate as an asset in some situations. I just disagree with the mass marketed idea that homeownership is some kind of "American Dream" or some key feature of American economic exceptionalism.

Homeownership hurts more people than anyone lets on in this country and it's full of pitfalls for the unwary. SFH ownerships causes financial hardship, divorces, child abuse, spousal abuse, mental health crises, hospitalizations, suicide, etc. It's toxic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645438)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:53 PM
Author: gold comical school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645523)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:52 PM
Author: Mind-boggling hell

stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645294)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:59 PM
Author: Shivering national security agency

Today I would still plan to work for at least 10 more years. If I was over 50 and kids were on their way/attending or admitted to good colleges that I could afford to pay for without borrowing, then I would work for like 1-2 more years and get to where I had 200-300k in cash and then would buy 2-3 tear down/fixer upper houses to flip. Would do 3-4 rounds of flips and would always borrow and take losses I could carry forward to offset taxes on 401k withdrawals. Beyond that it would give me a way to teach my kids to work with their hands and would set me up with better lending relationships for future businesses. Would try to have a couple flips be properties that family could keep long term like a ski/mountain place or hunting lodge, a beach house or lake house, and a 2 bdrm apartment in MFH, and set those up as airbnbs and then expense as many family vacations for the extended family and friends as possible, call them business trips to scout new flips and probably come up with 2-3 other businesses that could also give me deductible expenses to use against 401k. If I’m 60 with 15M in cash and a few valuable properties for short term rentals that have solid equity I think I’d be ready to retire and just write or make music the rest of my days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645316)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:56 PM
Author: gold comical school cafeteria

I can't believe people still plan on sending their kids to college and also paying for it knowing what we know now. The CR plan is *if* your kids want to go to college, get a scholly to local school or get the cheapest STEM degree possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645530)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:58 PM
Author: concupiscible pink electric furnace tattoo

Or they can max out loans and do IDR w/ maxed out 401k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645537)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 5:54 PM
Author: Shivering national security agency

Not requiring college, but I strongly suspect that predictions of the decline of its credentialing and signaling power for employers are wrong and it will become a luxury good to allow the rich to identify themselves while portraying it as merit. Also both my kids are going to be handsome bros and I want them to experience the joy of banging lots of girls in college. For this reason I will strongly push them toward state flagships (I attended one and it was 180), but I won’t restrict them to attending the state schools where they get a scholly. Also it’s likely that nearly all of their high school friends will go to college and they will want to keep up. But if they tell me senior year that they aren’t sure if they want to go to college and they want to do anything else that would be useful instead—start/grow a business, tour with their bands, start a website to document their year in Europe banging chicks in every major European capital, etc.—I would be all about it. I do think the “every guy should just do a building trade” school of thought is pretty stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47646095)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:59 PM
Author: twinkling center

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645318)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:24 PM
Author: spruce razzle-dazzle theater

I liquidated my IRA in my late 20s and used it to travel the world. Not flame. Paid the penalty

Don't regret it even one bit and would do it again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645405)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:44 PM
Author: bright pocket flask trump supporter

How much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645478)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:49 PM
Author: spruce razzle-dazzle theater

It wasn't a lot it was like 50

For some reason I started contributing to a new one again in my 30s I stopped now but now that money is stuck in there forever and I'll never see it unless I pay the penalty again. I'm retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645501)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:22 PM
Author: bright pocket flask trump supporter

It doesn’t matter there’s going to be a massive rugpull and people will get press ganged into militias

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645823)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:30 PM
Author: Electric Pit

can you use an IRA to secure a LOC? maybe not a great idea now but if you could get a great rate being that the LOC is 100% secured during the low interest days that seems preferrable to taking the 10% penalty and taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645417)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:36 PM
Author: concupiscible pink electric furnace tattoo

IIRC the interest you pay on a traditional IRA LOC is paid to yourself as an after-tax contribution?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645440)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:44 PM
Author: Electric Pit

i meant using the assets in an IRA as security for a separate LOC, but a quick google search would have told me that's a prohibited transaction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645476)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:20 AM
Author: Underhanded 180 volcanic crater partner

I don’t think you can because of federal anti spendthrift rules. Certainly cannot with a 401k. My guess is that even if not explicitly prohibited it would trigger income recognition on the account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47647266)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:30 PM
Author: salmon dilemma

spaceporn could just go ahead and retire, no penalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645845)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:33 PM
Author: Crawly doobsian base

u stoopid faggot u dont have to take the entire amount out, just keep it in the IRA tax free and each year take out whatever u need faggot, if ur gains that year are anything it prob covers the 10% on teh amount u take out

FAGGOTS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645855)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:09 AM
Author: Mind-boggling hell

fuck u chink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47647253)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:15 AM
Author: fishy institution

FYI you can avoid the penalty if you take substantially equal periodic payments.

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/substantially-equal-periodic-payments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47647262)