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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:11 AM Author: razzmatazz gas station 1. Cornell 2. UPenn 3. Georgetown 4. Johns Hopkins 5. Emory 6. Rice 7. WUSTL 8. Carnegie Mellon 9. Tufts 10. Berkeley |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:08 AM Author: Seedy temple Nope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536045) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:15 AM Author: slate toilet seat dysfunction right, most people at cornell are too ttt to have applied to princeton in the first place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536058) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 8:04 AM Author: mischievous buck-toothed azn casino Early Decision - dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536196) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:56 AM Author: Floppy incel voyeur brown, hopkins, and tufts berkeley is all frugal asians who never thought to apply outside the state. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: slate toilet seat dysfunction i think you mean berkeley is all FOBs who want to be an engineer because mommy said so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7555916) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 1:09 PM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building two massive errors:
UPenn: Wharton people reject all other ivies
Cornell: People like me rejected other ivies and came here
& Engineers reject all other ivies, except maybe MIT, and only a select group of people apply there. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 1:21 PM Author: Seedy temple If thats true then BMEs at JHU reject MIT/Stanford and other ivies routinely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536674) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 1:32 PM Author: razzmatazz gas station Subject: UPenn trolling Wharton and Cornell Engineering all are good alternatives for HYPSCM rejects
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 1:40 PM Author: Floppy incel voyeur Columbia troll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536749) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:26 PM Author: razzmatazz gas station C=caltech (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537004) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:33 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: Caltech has a pretty low yield rate. A major fraction of Caltech admits go elsewhere, if they have the choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537056) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:34 PM Author: razzmatazz gas station Cornell!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537059) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:37 PM Author: bonkers police squad Eh, are you implying that there are students who get into Caltech and have no other options? Seems unlikely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537076) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:05 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: Not usually, but money may occasionally restrict the options Caltech awards substantial "merit money" that goes beyond "need-based" aid; Neither Harvard not MIT offers "merit aid" enticements, and merit aid at Stanford is essentially limited to the 5% of the class getting athletic scholarships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537202) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:21 PM Author: bonkers police squad Ok, and so do many other schools. But anyway, isn't the number of Caltech students receiving significant merit aid pretty damn low? Certainly it's much, much lower than their yield rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537275) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:24 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask No to all of the above, particularly "elite" schools
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:28 PM Author: yellow glittery address Isn't this also a function of class size? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537942) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:32 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Proportionately, Caltech hands out "merit money" to more than you might imagine, not always to great effect.
Read this interesting report that somehow made it onto the internet:
http://diversity.caltech.edu/dpg_reports/irvine06-04/Data.pdf |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 7:13 PM Author: bonkers police squad According to that link, they had 6 Axline Scholarships and 9 Presidential Scholarships in an entering class of 230-240. Anyway, doesn't the low yield rate among merit scholarship recipients only confirm that merit aid has little to do with Caltech's ability to attract students? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7538341) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 8:07 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: Are you kidding? They offered 30 Axline Scholarships and 25 "Presidential" scholarships - all based on "merit" or in a few cases URM status - and were only able to sign up a minor fraction of them. This means they offered non-need-based aid to 55 people for a class of 230 or so!!
If they didn't think it necessary - or helpful - in trying to get desirable admits as to enroll, they wouldn't offer so many of them what amounts to substantial tuition rakeoffs as an inducement. |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 12:15 AM Author: slate toilet seat dysfunction Your schtick is faltering. Real NYCFan would understand they offer 55 free rides expecting to snag only 15-20 of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7540046) |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 7:26 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: Pretty pathetic, don't you think? A yield of less than a third on admits to whom you offer a full ride? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7544238) |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 10:27 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office "or in a few cases URM status"
No, actually 100% of the Presidential scholarships are diversity-based. They feel they need to have those to make up for the lack of affirmative action in admissions. |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 1:15 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Even the effort to "buy" URMs via this device is not too successful; for most such admits, even a fullride "merit" scholarship is not a sufficient inducement - assuming they have options! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7548106) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 7:27 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office Well, they do pretty well with recruiting Hispanic students, not so well African-American. I would guess that geography is a factor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7549963) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 6:38 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Didn't make Hispanic Magazine's list of the "Top 25 Schools for Hispanics" however, though several California schools did.
http://www.hispaniconline.com/magazine/2006/march/features/colleges.html |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:00 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office That's fine, and doesn't change my assertion.
I'm sure Hispanic Magazine would consider all the schools that use affirmative action more "welcoming," in any case. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 11:27 PM Author: Irradiated Private Investor Sanctuary I'd bet many CalTech acceptees don't get into any one the other top five. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7539731) |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 6:25 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office I got into MIT and turned it down, my roommate got into Harvard and turned it down, my best friend in college got into Princeton and turned it down, the girl across the hall also got into Harvard and turned it down (she did end up going to Harvard Med after graduating from Caltech, though, so I don't think she had anything against Harvard)! These were just the people immediately around me.
Obviously, few people get into ALL of the other five, but a number of people at Caltech did get into at least one--most commonly Stanford or MIT. |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 8:25 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Caltech certainly loses the overwhelming majority of common admits to Stanford, MIT and Harvard.
But it is seldom, if ever, the case that those matriculating are "100% HYPSM rejects"
http://diversity.caltech.edu/dpg_reports/irvine06-04/Data.pdf |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 10:26 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office "Caltech certainly loses the overwhelming majority of common admits to Stanford, MIT and Harvard."
Interestingly enough, although you provided a link, the link doesn't say that. It says that out of 30 Axline students (i.e. not the 400-500 total they accept) they got 20% and lost most of the rest to Stanford, MIT and Harvard.
Note that this doesn't necessarily mean ANY of Stanford, MIT, or Harvard individually had any higher yield on those students either. It's three schools. For example, say MIT got 20%, Harvard got 20%, Stanford got 20%, and the last 20% went to "other".
Regardless, your link says nothing about "the overwhelming majority of common admits" at all--to say otherwise is flat-out lying. |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 9:15 AM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: LOL! Given Caltech's low yield rate, it is probably true that it loses the cross-admits to most elite schools, whether or not it tries to purchase their allegiance with tuition rake-offs in the form of so-called "merit" aid.
I do not know precisely what fraction of common admits are lost to - say - Stanford, but I can assure you that "the overwhelming majority" of common admits are lost to Harvard. This is particularly striking when one notes that Caltech applicants may be "self-selecting" - with many interested in engineering, where the Harvard program, heretofore, has been relatively narrow. |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 11:55 AM Author: Curious self-absorbed office So you've gone from "certainly" to "probably."
I wouldn't be so sure on "the overwhelming majority" of common admits with Harvard. That survey cited only 26 people turning down Caltech for Harvard--granted, since the schools are quite dissimilar, the "overlap" is probably not that high in the first place. Meanwhile, I knew 2 people who turned down Harvard for Caltech living right on my hallway (which was about 20 students total, in other words a sample of just 2% of the student body). The kind of Harvard admit who would have bothered to apply to Caltech in the first place would also inherently be much more interested in a science/engineering school than your average Harvard admit.
The only school I'm sure they lose the majority of common admits to (and even in this case I doubt it's "overwhelming") is MIT, which makes a lot of sense. The overlap in admits is much bigger than for the Ivies given the similarity of the schools, and MIT is a bigger name and on the east coast--interestingly, the number 1 cited reason for choosing MIT over Caltech on that survey you posted was geography. |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 1:11 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: Well the reason Caltech loses so many cross admits may be simply "geography" as you posit - but somehow I think it goes deeper than that.
For women, at least, life at Caltech has long seemed rather hellish:
"For their part, Caltech officials say they do not give women an advantage. But statistics from the admissions office seem to tell a slightly different story. While only 22 per cent of the applicants for this year's freshman class were female, women make up 30 per cent of the class. The difference emerges from admissions decisions: 32 per cent of female applicants were invited to enroll, compared with 20 per cent of male applicants...."
http://chronicle.com/che-data/articles.dir/art-44.dir/issue-24.dir/24a00101.htm |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 7:28 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office "For their part, Caltech officials say they do not give women an advantage."
At least you're admitting that it's not just some story I've personally made up. Of course, I've also sat on the admissions committee and seen it not happen. |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 4:45 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask No... you are not responsible for the dubious party line - the school is. But as is evident, nobody (but you) swallows it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7555513) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office How about a current member of the admissions committee, as well as dozens of others much more familiar with the situation than yourself, on this thread:
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=291086&page=3 |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle startling new version The people I know personally at my high school that got into Caltech all chose others schools, probably because they wanted a "normal" college experience - Princeton, Stanford, and MIT were the most frequent alternatives. Caltech shouldn't even be discussed. It is such a small school with a very narrow focus. It is my understanding that a lot of Caltech grads go into academia in the sciences/engineering, and that route does not appeal to a lot of perspective college students. Caltech is smaller than the top LAC's as well (Amherst, Swarthmore, Williams)! Doesn't the freshmen class have less than 200 students in it? It should be thought about in the same light as Cooper Union, Julliard, Franklin W. Olin, etc. I don't think U.S. News should even include it in the rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7555898) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:39 PM Author: yellow glittery address Doesn't Cal Tech still have higher averages than Harvard, even with their significantly smaller yield? Must be embarassing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537080) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:11 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask Subject: Consider the scale, and the subset of the applicant group The entire student body at Caltech would be a minor subset of a single class at Harvard, MIT or Stanford - the schools which most common admits select. Very likely, those common admits who choose to go elsewhere compare very favorably, stats-wise, with those who don't.
Math and science people have disproportionately higher overall SAT scores, since there are nearly twice as many 800-scorers in math as there are in verbal. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:14 PM Author: yellow glittery address So even with these statistically favorable common admits gone, they still have a higher average.
Sucks. |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 10:28 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office Yup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7545468) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:30 PM Author: Floppy incel voyeur Subject: they even dumbed down the math part. math scores over 725 on the previous version of the sat are all 800s on the current version (I'm not counting the written part as a change to the math part) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537318) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 3:53 PM Author: Irradiated Private Investor Sanctuary Don't you mean verbal portion? After the recentering of the SAT for the class of 2000, you need to subtract 70-80 points from vebal SAT score to compare to previous scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537416) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 4:12 PM Author: Floppy incel voyeur you're right my memory flipped them. |
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Date: February 4th, 2007 6:26 PM Author: Curious self-absorbed office But Caltech students also have the highest Verbal (now Critical Reading) SAT average in the country, last time I checked. It's not just Math.
(I know, I know, Caltech is the school you love to hate... flame away!) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:07 PM Author: bonkers police squad Which of HYP did you reject for Cornell? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536896) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:10 PM Author: lascivious violet ticket booth trump supporter hahaha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7536911) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:24 PM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building Yale Upenn Columbia
for Engineering |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:25 PM Author: razzmatazz gas station did u turn down Purdue and Georgia tech as well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537000) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 2:30 PM Author: bonkers police squad OK, so Y = Yale, P = Penn, but how do you get H out of Columbia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7537031) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:40 PM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building Y part of HYP
others just show illegal eagle that he's a fucking dumbass |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 8:08 PM Author: Big Macaca Wow, did you really turn down Yale? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7538617) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 5:49 PM Author: slate toilet seat dysfunction the only school he turned down for Cornell was SUNY Oswego (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7555907) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 2:24 AM Author: Mahogany senate Plenty of people at Rice never even applied to those schools. They don't view themselves as inferior to Harvard; rather, different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7546952) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 2:41 AM Author: Curious self-absorbed office I think every single Texan I ever encountered at Caltech had also applied to Rice. (And Texas is the second-most-common state for Caltech students, so this was a lot.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7547030) |
Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:27 PM Author: Tan Autistic Native Emory Tufts WashU |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 6:04 PM Author: slate toilet seat dysfunction Emory isn't even HYP rejects, it's Duke rejects (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7538076) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:41 PM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building Subject: illegal eagle = carrot top How about this one
my friend accepted into Wharton and Cornell, and chose Cornell. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 6:45 PM Author: onyx hell fanboi i knew someone who turned down h for cornell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7538257) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 6:46 PM Author: onyx hell fanboi add duke, nu, and georgetown to that list. possibly dartmouth as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7538259) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 7:41 PM Author: Bipolar Jewess Locus How about this? You are all stupid fuckers because they are all good schools and at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. Only ugly, social inept losers who can't laid actually sit around and debate this crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7538480) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 9:34 PM Author: pearl church masturbator HYPSMC reject alert! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7539114) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 9:42 PM Author: Tan Autistic Native TITCR! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7539147) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 1:02 AM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building Stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7546507) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2007 9:42 PM Author: lascivious violet ticket booth trump supporter hahaha i love how everyone in this thread went to cornell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7539145) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 1:58 PM Author: Thriller Codepig 1) All the rest of the Ivies
2) WUSTL, Northwestern, G-town, UVA-level schools |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 2:14 PM Author: onyx hell fanboi no, some people actually turn down hyp for wharton, columbia, and brown. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7548414) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 3:09 PM Author: Thriller Codepig Yes, about .00001% of cross-admits/idiots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7548741) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 3:15 PM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building Not really, I would turn down any of the HYP for Wharton. Minute you get out of Wharton you literally have a job, unless you're a total retard.
Heck look at their alumni: the DONALD (even with a comb-over he is still successful with money and women) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: Thriller Codepig Coming out of H/Y/P w/a degree in Econ + finance internships, the minute you get out you literally have a job, unless you're a total retard.
Heck, you might not even need a degree. Look at Bill Gates. A Harvard dropout. |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 6:12 PM Author: amethyst exhilarant ceo church building what about girls? I heard the ones at Harvard are STD laden sluts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7549638) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 6:23 PM Author: slate toilet seat dysfunction lol, harvard girls vs penn girls? Penn girls might look a little better, but at that point they're both so homely you might as well choose the genius (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7549685) |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 3:16 PM Author: erotic menage ratface Wharton is credited
Other than literally maybe one or two people at Columbia who "wanted to be in NYC," the only ones there who turned down HYP are the 6-generation legacies and children of faculty who face pressure to keep Columbia in the family.
Brown...well, I really have no idea who turns down HYP for Brown, though I'm sure it happens occasionally.
People are more likely to turn down HYP for MIT, Stanford, and specialty programs at lesser schools (such as 7-year BS/MD programs). |
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Date: February 5th, 2007 6:52 PM Author: greedy exciting step-uncle's house Brown is weird, the school probably gets a dozen or so students who turn down Harvard on a yearly basis.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the number turning down Princeton a lot higher, say, fifty a year?
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Date: February 6th, 2007 11:06 AM Author: comical principal's office hominid Subject: The most recent and comprehensive data was based on old information from 2000 and formed the basis for the Revealed Preferences Survey. The survey was very, very, accurate as to how Brown does with other schools. There are only six schools Brown loses students to on a consistent basis, HYPS, MIT, and Caltech. Of those schools, the overlaps with MIT, Caltech, and Princeton are very, very, small, skewing the data. The split with Yale and Princeton tends to be 75/25 in Yale's and Princeton's favor. Some years Brown does better, some years worse. With Harvard, the split tends to be 90/10, of course, in Harvard's favor. There have been some years, however, particularly in the mid 80s when Brown's split with Harvard was 85/15. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7553325) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 4:23 PM Author: federal public bath no one really turns down H for Columbia/Brown, but plenty turn down one of YP. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7555342) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 6:20 PM Author: mischievous buck-toothed azn casino About 25% of the Columbia-Harvard cross admits choose Columbia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7556029) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 6:21 PM Author: bonkers police squad LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7556034) |
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Date: February 6th, 2007 6:40 PM Author: disrespectful ivory regret pocket flask I don't think so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=574224&forum_id=1#7556115) |