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Date: April 2nd, 2007 3:56 PM Author: Very tactful twisted multi-billionaire
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/clinicalwiki/Internet_Speech_Panel_at_HLS
Panelists:
Professor Charles Nesson, Harvard Law School
Professor Mark Tushnet, Harvard Law School
Professor John Palfrey, Harvard Law School
Dina Lassow, National Women's Law Center
Robert Trestan, Anti-Defamation League
Wendy Kaminer
Michael Fertik, CEO of Repuation Defenders
When: Thursday, April 5th, at 7:00pm
Where: Langdell North
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7860660) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:39 PM Author: misanthropic cruel-hearted affirmative action lodge
yeah, either that or edit it to make sense:
"The site draws an estimated 100,000 readers on a regular basis..."
yay Harvurdd
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861100) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:21 PM Author: Abnormal Senate
who will defend us?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861009) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:40 PM Author: arousing stage
Of course he is.
He would have shown up to Yale if he had been invited.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861106) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:44 PM Author: Abnormal Senate
he was invited to show up, but not speak "officially"?
god I would fucking pay to see that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861124) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 6:32 PM Author: Outnumbered Spectacular Death Wish
He has no legal training, right? He is guaranteed to get thoroughly OWNed by this panel.
This should be hilarious. Make sure this gets uTubed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861373) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:36 PM Author: Red Fragrant Office
"He has no legal training, right? He is guaranteed to get thoroughly OWNed by this panel."
This is right.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861719) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 11:01 PM Author: Filthy macaca blood rage
Not necessarily.
He needs to keep the focus tight.
What is the discussion about? Free speech on the internet.
What about...? I would rather we keep it to the facts than to speculate about various hypotheticals.
What about...? Repeat.
Rachmiel can do just fine because he has a lot of things in his favor. If he focuses on those things and doesn't let it devolve into a bunch of bullshit, he can win.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7862912) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:02 PM Author: Filthy macaca blood rage
Good point.
I was thinking about how I would approach it, but rachmiel may not need to keep the focus tight to do well.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7868293) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:29 PM Author: Nofapping factory reset button corn cake
What a diverse panel of opinions. I expect bitter debate and engaging dialog.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861052) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:51 PM Author: navy vigorous spot legend
This panel seems way too large. 8 people, once you throw in Rachmiel, is going to be extremely unwieldy.
Not to mention that things are looking pretty one-sided (based on my, admittedly, uninformed impressions of where people will line up which may be completely wrong).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861160) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 6:47 PM Author: heady white site
CH should be invited.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861442) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 6:52 PM Author: Stirring university milk
Who's going to be on Rach's team??
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861461) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 6:54 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861468) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 6:56 PM Author: arousing stage
Unfortunately I may have jumped the gun on rachmiel being there. Based on an email I just received, it looks like he may have been uninvited.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861487) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:02 PM Author: arousing stage
From the email I just received:
"I understand that Jarrett Cohen was interested in participating, however, I think his presence on the panel will cause the discussion to be focused on AutoAdmit. We have conceived of this panel as being a more broad discussion and I don’t want it to turn into personal attacks."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861520) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:00 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
rach told me last week (AIM) that fertik was refusing to show up if rach was invited.
looks like HLS isnt as balanced as they should've been.
i take back what i said about them handling this in an intelligent way/better than YLS
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861507) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:04 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
they dont want to hear the other side. its pretty obvious.
all these articles just put words in peoples' mouths. they lend a poor impression. they create indefensible situations and argue against strawmen.
verdict: pathetic waste of time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861529) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:01 PM Author: arousing stage
Yeah, that's true -- when Fertik found out rach was invited, he said he wasn't going to attend if rach came. HLS responded by saying rach was not going to be uninvited.
Guess that's changed now, three days before the panel.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861517) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:06 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
at this point, fertik is going to get a free pass. HLS should be ashamed of itself for allowing itself to be used in this way, by a person providing a poor, ineffective service.
now you can expect some pathetic advertisement or press releases re: fertik to speak @ HLS. no, no, they'll say "fertik to *lecture* at HLS".
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861542) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:34 AM Author: arousing stage
Yeah, I'm not very pleased right now. I don't know what's more offensive,
-- being disinvited three days before a conference after travel arrangements have likely been made (and after being told HLS wasn't going to give in to Fertik's hissy fit),
-- the implication that rachmiel is somehow too stupid or unqualified to talk about anonymous internet speech in a broader context than this board, or
-- the Dean of Students office having such a low respect for HLS students that they think they would devolve to personal attacks if rachmiel is present.
I guess their offer to have Jarret and I speak at different events in the future mitigates things, but a lot of the good feelings I had for HLS throughout this process have dissipated now, which I think is very unfortunate since until this I've completely agreed on how they've handled everything.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864609) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:05 PM Author: olive masturbator hunting ground
He's such a scumbag! How can people not recognize that?
He takes people's money and then completely trashes their reputation on the Internet. I'm going to set up an opposing service, and for $5 I'll tell people "keep being a good person, keep doing good work, and ignore the shitheads talking about you on the Internet. You'll be fine."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861536) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:12 PM Author: claret range
Law schools are generally not interested in hearing from anyone who departs from their orthodoxy. See, e.g., the Solomon Amendment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7861573) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 10:48 PM Author: marvelous school cafeteria
I don't post on here, mostly I just read. But I might go on Thursday. If you all have questions you'd like me to ask Fertick or others, let me know. Obviously I won't ask anything incendiary or offensive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7862829) |
Date: April 2nd, 2007 11:02 PM Author: maroon heaven
If they don't want to focus on autoadmit.com, what the hell else are they going to talk about? This site is one of a kind, and so is the shit-bombing it causes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7862921) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2007 11:08 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
some mom in peoria was concerned that 6 ppl her daughter may not even know (oh noes!!) downloaded her pic off of myspace!!!
why that should be illegal, what lawyers can do to change the law, and what Fertik's company can do if you keep giving them press!!
they can clean up the internet, $30 per page!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7862959) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:55 AM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
you and rach should actually be @ the HLS thing bc you're victims too. of course, youre victims of the MSM moreso than the interwebs. the MSM lends the imprimitur (in many people's eyes) of accuracy to the accusations against you.
but you guys have a Y chrom., so its no biggie.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864634) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:56 AM Author: arousing stage
I can't go, I have a conflict that I can't reschedule (hence why I declined to be on that panel).
I wonder how Fertik would react if rachmiel showed up, sat in the audience, and asked him why Fertik was too scared to be on a panel with him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864636) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:20 AM Author: Concupiscible Clown
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864594) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:54 AM Author: arousing stage
Update: it seems Ann Althouse has also been uninvited from the HLS internet speech panel. So, at least rachmiel is in good company.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864633) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:26 AM Author: arousing stage
No clue if it was Cosgrove's decision or not (my experience with her has been nothing but positive), but the email came from someone in that office.
In any case, they're still offering to have rachmiel speak at a different event, so I at least give them credit for that. My only fear is that Fertik is going to get up there, lie, and no one will call him out on it because they're unfamiliar with the facts.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864687) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:32 AM Author: arousing stage
Hey, ultimately the audience has the power. The panel can still serve its purpose if people ask Fertik and the other panelists the hard questions and call him out if he lies or says something dumb.
Plus it looks like there may be another event this month, so hopefully people will go to that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864703) |
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Date: April 5th, 2007 4:46 PM Author: arousing stage
Jarret Cohen offered to remove all the threads if Reputation Defender just apologizes. Why not just apologize and get the threads taken down?
AutoAdmit was already in the process of doing everything you wanted--why antagonize them?
Why contact law deans before contacting AutoAdmit?
Why did you talk to the Washington Post and ABC News before talking to AutoAdmit?
Do you realize that because of you the number of AutoAdmit-related results in one of your client's Google search increased from just one to seven in the top 10 alone?
Jarret Cohen contacted one of your clients several weeks ago with the intention of finding out which threads to remove, but your client refused to talk to him because she was "too tired." How do you expect this situation to resolve itself without direct communication?
Why won't you tell AutoAdmit which threads you want removed?
You've thrown everything you can at AutoAdmit yet the threads are not only still up, but there are a lot more of them. Don't you think this warrants reexamining your strategy?
So far, all the known clients of Reputation Defender, such as Ronnie Segev and Christine Parascandola not only still have true, publically available information about them available on the internet, but have also received significant criticism from blogs and other outlets for hiring Reputation Defender. Don't you think your company's business model is inherently unsustainable?
Why are you attacking AutoAdmit instead of Google when AutoAdmit is a passive actor while Google actively indexes webpages? Isn't Google more blameworthy, or at least just as blameworthy? Aren't you only targeting AutoAdmit because you're too scared to take on Google?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7879572) |
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Date: April 5th, 2007 4:50 PM Author: bronze blathering orchestra pit
Here's another question:
If RD really works, why is it that when I search your name on google "Michael Fertik is a sleazy douchebag" comes up on the first page?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7879592) |
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Date: April 5th, 2007 4:52 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
excellent questions by both of you.
someone should also name-drop the site http://onlinereputation.googlepages.com
tyia
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7879603) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:19 AM Author: tan thriller ladyboy
Rach should bring George Galloway to the debate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864671) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:36 AM Author: Umber adventurous dilemma fat ankles
This thread makes me wonder why really smart people are so impossibly stupid when only slightly less smart people are not.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864710) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:50 AM Author: Primrose arrogant ticket booth jew
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:36 AM
Author: Bodhi Tree Miracle
This thread makes me wonder why really smart people are so impossibly stupid when only slightly less smart people are not.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864738) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 10:11 AM Author: Umber adventurous dilemma fat ankles
Does this kind of shit happen at Emory or Iowa?
It doesn't happen at my TTT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7864791) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2007 7:00 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
people at your TTT don't realize they go to a TTT.
that might be sadder.
DO THE WOOSTLE!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7867612) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 1:06 PM Author: Very tactful twisted multi-billionaire
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7865620) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 6:51 PM Author: Very tactful twisted multi-billionaire
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7867577) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:39 PM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
because of the whole summers thing, i really doubt any harvard prof is going to stand up to the campus left and stand against censorship in this situation... they should've gotten other law profs--BC, BU, etc. or at least gotten profs who will speak out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7868548) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:52 PM Author: maniacal green crotch volcanic crater
that fertik guy is an excellent marketer, he's going to make a fortune off heide iravani, the harvard name, and far left libs
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7868623) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 10:43 PM Author: Concupiscible Clown
Issues to be discussed:
"The panel will focus on the following questions:
- What are the legal issues relating to anonymous speech on the Internet?
- Are there special consequences of Internet speech, given the permanent and wide-
reaching nature of the medium?
- Is this libelous speech? Is it sexual harassment?
- What First Amendment protections apply to those posting on an Internet site?
- Is there a need for an anonymous forum for discussing law school issues (such as
admissions, firm offers, salary information, and grades)?
- How anonymous is anonymous? Can the people who post be identified?
- Should anonymous forums be moderated? By whom?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7868940) |
Date: April 3rd, 2007 10:45 PM Author: Crimson internal respiration
"Fertik?" Immer noch einer Familienname Schreibfehler.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7868946) |
Date: April 4th, 2007 3:18 PM Author: Very tactful twisted multi-billionaire
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7872701) |
Date: April 4th, 2007 8:22 PM Author: Multi-colored tattoo rehab
This is pretty sad. One of the law students helping to organize the panel on anonymous autoadmit speech is one of the worst autoadmit offenders.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7874543)
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Date: April 5th, 2007 10:13 PM Author: Vivacious Area Subject: Recording of tonight's HARVARD panel on AutoAdmit.
For anyone who can't wait, to download a recording of tonight's panel at Harvard Law School on AutoAdmit, click: http://autoadmitcritic.wordpress.com .
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7881579) |
Date: April 5th, 2007 10:47 PM Author: Vivacious Area Subject: Recording of Harvard panel
I put the recording up on esnips.com, where you can listen in your browser. The updated link is here: http://autoadmitcritic.wordpress.com.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7881771) |
Date: April 6th, 2007 2:15 AM Author: turquoise halford lay
Wow. I see why GTO and Rach were disinvited.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7883337) |
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Date: April 7th, 2007 1:33 AM Author: exhilarant keepsake machete electric furnace
i don't. its clear no one knew any facts and that fertik chose them selectively.
that said, its awesome that he mentioned my schtick.
BTW, its amazing that fertik realizes that GTO is ok with me, even though chancemeeting and vector think GTO is out to get me bc he's pissed. fact is, even if GTO and i arent 'best friends forever', theres a working agreement there and he's cool with me.
i think this settles the issue of whether GTO would 'out' me... and the answer is, no. GTO has done a good job handling this and staying true to his word. if certain xoxo posters dont get this and just hate the pauliewalnuts schtick, hey, more power to them...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7888461) |
Date: April 6th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: stimulating box office coldplay fan
http://media.www.hlrecord.org/media/storage/paper609/news/2004/11/04/Etc/Fenno-795548-page3.shtml
While reading the letter in the Pound hallway, Fenno passed by the wall of professors\' portraits. Curiously, he noticed that Professor Tribe\'s frame was missing. That\'s odd, thought Fenno. Where did it go? He continued walking down the hall. As he passed by a dimly lit Pound 102, he heard strange noises. A sucking sound, or slurping, or something like that. Peering through the door window, Fenno made out the figures of two of the co-authors of the Crimson letter, Michael Fertik and Dan Richenthal. Fertik was holding something up close to his face. It appeared to be the missing Tribe portrait.
\"Mmmm... yeah. Just like that. That\'s how I\'d do it.\" Fertik mused dreamily.
Richenthal grabbed the portrait from him. \"No way,\" he responded. \"If I got the chance, I\'d do it like this.\" With that, he moved his face toward the frame and planted his lips softly on the glass. \"Yeah... that\'s nice.\" His mouth roved the portrait glass sensually. \"Mmmm. Good stuff,\" Richenthal murmured delicately. Fenno thought he glimpsed a little tongue.
Fenno just couldn\'t let this opportunity go to waste. He swung open the door and called out to the two 3Ls. \"Hey fellas! What\'s up?\"
Fertik and Richenthal turned toward Fenno, horrified. Richenthal dropped the portrait, which crashed to the ground. Fenno hadn\'t seen Richenthal in quite a while; he wondered what he\'d been up to. It certainly wasn\'t charm school.
\"Er, uh, hey Fenno! Um, what are you doing here? I thought you had con law right now.\"
\"I cut out for a little while... say, guys, great letter to the Crimson. Really made a good point.\"
Fertik\'s face lit up. \"You think?\"
Replied Fenno, \"No, of course not, you sniveling mass of back hair. All you did was basically admit that Tribe plagiarized, but then said it\'s okay as long as the guy is admired by others. I mean, what the fuck?
\"You don\'t get it, Fenno,\" replied Fertik. \"It\'s all about the context--\"
\"Oh, bullshit, it\'s all about the context. You either copied or you didn\'t. And by the way, did it really take seven people to write a four-paragraph letter? Did you actually divide up the twelve sentences, or were five of you there just to pat each other on the back?\"
Retorted Richenthal, \"Suck it, Fenno!\"
\"From the looks of it, you seem to be taking care of that,\" Fenno answered coolly. \"By the way, be sure to wipe down those smudges before you put the frame back up. You don\'t want to leave a mark.\" And with that, he headed out of the room.
Fenno found himself back in the hall. He figured he should probably get back to Fried\'s class. Outside, the skies were already pitch dark, and the wind looked to have picked up. Rain was threatening. Gotta love those Cambridge falls, thought Fenno. Or was it winter already? Sometimes it was just too hard to tell.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=606551&forum_id=2#7887291)
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Date: April 29th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: cobalt slippery circlehead
good times bump
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