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I exist to warn future law students about the lies perpetuat...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
I will, I'm not planning on enrolling in a TTT, but I have l...
RatLaw  04/08/07
You need to tell them to talk to a real LLS student about th...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
Here's how you can help others especially with regard to LLS...
RatLaw  04/08/07
Too many people think lower-ranked schools are less competit...
<a former user, now retired>  04/08/07
1.) Your first year, how many people were ultra competitive,...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
brutal L2L honesty
L2LFAN  04/08/07
bigpapapump, sup dood?
Weird Al Yancodood  04/08/07
i'm not bigpapapump. but I think there is a little Loyola 2...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
*rattles saber*
deleted sn; lawsuit paranoia n'at  04/08/07
I've tried at times to campaign against TTTs, but nobody car...
<a former user, now retired>  04/08/07
If you guys want to refer uneducated 0Ls to me, I will gladl...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
Thank you for your response about LLS. Follow up questio...
RatLaw  04/08/07
Uh damn this is a lot of writing
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
Hey bro I love your work. Your WSJ blog posts were classic. ...
L2LFAN  04/08/07
Thanks L2LFAN. She's a nice girl and I hope she doesn't dum...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
I know you hope, but has she dropped any hints re: what she ...
L2LFAN  04/08/07
Not really she's not the most shrewd or crafty person there ...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
I just thought of a good question. Loyola is in a ghetto. Ha...
L2LFAN  04/08/07
I haven't heard of it because everybody pretty much drives t...
Loyola 2L  04/08/07
You are clearly not committed to preventing others from bein...
RatLaw  04/08/07
I thought your questions were funny. Address them to the boa...
L2LFAN  04/08/07
lol
AK47  04/08/07


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Date: April 8th, 2007 5:14 AM
Author: Loyola 2L

I exist to warn future law students about the lies perpetuated by Tier 2 and lower toilet schools about employment opportunities.

Who will fight beside me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893702)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:15 AM
Author: RatLaw (Not TTT)

I will, I'm not planning on enrolling in a TTT, but I have lots of friends who are going to, and it's impossible to tell them anything.

But what can you tell someone? Loyola is 3rd best in town, there are lots of jobs, lots of firms in LA have loyola grads working there, that seems to be good enough for them... plus omg, look at that median salary on loyola's website for private law grads in large firms, 22% of 60% omg, sure thing...

(any fucking typos/misgrammatical uses are because i'm drunk)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893704)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:20 AM
Author: Loyola 2L

You need to tell them to talk to a real LLS student about this. 90% of us do not get biglaw. We don't even get interviews during OCI because firms pre-screen all the resumes. LLS graduates like 300+ students a year so eventually over the years there will be a number of people at the big firms in LA if 30/year join their ranks. But the reality is that 90% of us do not get these positions. There's a lot of smart people here gunning like crazy and staying in the library for hours and hours every day. It's not easy to get top 10%. Tell them to spend 150k on something better.

Tier 2s are law schools for people not meant to be lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893713)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:21 AM
Author: RatLaw (Not TTT)

Here's how you can help others especially with regard to LLS, information is the best weapon, some constructive questions, from your experience.

1.) Your first year, how many people were ultra competitive, or at least believed they would be in the top 5-10%, top 20% or whatever. How do you tell people 90% of the people won't be 10% no matter how many of them want it.

2.) Was the competition fierce? Or will it be laid back, and easy, friends of mine think that LLS will be easy since the people there are not T14, so they can easily sail to the top. And yet they base this on some inner belief they are smart, even though their TTT LSAT/GPA/UGrad school lends nothing to this belief.

3.) How long does it take the average LLS student to realize the illusion is broken?

4.) How many enter LLS already believing it's a TTT and they will have a hard time getting a job?

5.) What do people at LLS think of those at UCLA/USC?

6.) What od they think about those at LaVerne/SouthWestern/Whatever schools?

7.) Are people at LLS delusional during 1L? Keep hope alive, we'll all be top 10%?

8.) Any more thoughts?

3.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893717)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:26 AM
Author: <a former user, now retired>

Too many people think lower-ranked schools are less competitive, and it's just insane. HYS aside, even at one of the top NYC schools (CLS or NYU), everyone with a pulse is going to get $160k. Sure, some people are competitive, but the fact is you don't have to be.

People need to understand that if they go to a lower-ranked school they could very well end up fighting for their lives with people who have the exact same stats and desperation as they do. It's ugly.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893725)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:32 AM
Author: Loyola 2L

1.) Your first year, how many people were ultra competitive, or at least believed they would be in the top 5-10%, top 20% or whatever. How do you tell people 90% of the people won't be 10% no matter how many of them want it.

- At least half the class or more thinks they will be in the top of the class. And some of them try so hard. It's heartbreaking when they fail. And almost all of them do.

2.) Was the competition fierce? Or will it be laid back, and easy, friends of mine think that LLS will be easy since the people there are not T14, so they can easily sail to the top. And yet they base this on some inner belief they are smart, even though their TTT LSAT/GPA/UGrad school lends nothing to this belief.

Competition is fierce. There's a lot of gunners here and lots of people with chips of their shoulders with something to prove. LLS is nobody's first choice so everybody thinks they're too good for the school. Lots of people talk about transferring out but of course almost all are stuck in this hell.

3.) How long does it take the average LLS student to realize the illusion is broken?

After they get no interviews during OCI. Those in the top 30% after 1st year hope and hope during the summer that they'll get a job. After they realize only the top 10% students are walking around in suits all day does the anger and bitterness start to sink in. All that separates the two groups is one or maybe two grades but the difference in opportunity is staggering.

4.) How many enter LLS already believing it's a TTT and they will have a hard time getting a job?

I don't know anybody who thought this. None of my friends and I ever talked about how TTT the school is. We're just stupid to this stuff first year but then OCI hits and now we all realize we've been duped.

5.) What do people at LLS think of those at UCLA/USC?

All of us were rejected from there so we're mostly envious of the opportunites they get that we don't.

6.) What od they think about those at LaVerne/SouthWestern/Whatever schools?

We look down on them just like the UCLA/USC students look down on us. Toilet or not, there's still a pecking order to the so-cal law schools.

7.) Are people at LLS delusional during 1L? Keep hope alive, we'll all be top 10%?

Yes, totally.

8.) Any more thoughts?

Avoid this rancid TTT.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893734)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:12 PM
Author: L2LFAN

brutal L2L honesty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895435)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:29 AM
Author: Weird Al Yancodood

bigpapapump, sup dood?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893728)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:33 AM
Author: Loyola 2L

i'm not bigpapapump. but I think there is a little Loyola 2L in all of us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893736)




Date: April 8th, 2007 6:27 PM
Author: deleted sn; lawsuit paranoia n'at

*rattles saber*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7896152)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:17 AM
Author: <a former user, now retired>

I've tried at times to campaign against TTTs, but nobody cares, TTT 0Ls least of all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893710)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:23 AM
Author: Loyola 2L

If you guys want to refer uneducated 0Ls to me, I will gladly teach them about the dismal employment opportunities toilet grads deal with every day.

Loyola2L@gmail.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893720)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:53 AM
Author: RatLaw (Not TTT)

Thank you for your response about LLS.

Follow up questions:

8.) Why do you not talk with your friends at LLS about it being a TTT? I went to a TTTTTTTT-undergrad, so I have some experience, but do people actually believe LLS isn't a ttt? If you said "LLS is a TTT" would other say "no it's a good school, we're going to be lawyers, it doesn't mean we aren't smart" the same bullshit people in TTT-undergrads say? I mean seriously, in undergrad so many people want to have stupid jobs that it's ok that the school sucks, but in LLS, everyone wants 1 or 2 jobs, ones that pay, how can you avoid being bitter and discussing it?

9.) Are 1L's excited? Like you say there are gunners, but whatever, are people genuinely excited to be there? I don't know how this is at other school.

10.) Is the carrier services office completely TTT, or do they just lie to you all day?

a.) Do they have pamphlets?

b.) Useless "forums" to talk about "other" jobs in law, i.e. TTT low paying shit jobs like public defender?

c.) Are they even staffed/open on a daily basis?

d.) Does anyone even use them?

e.) When do people hear about pre-screening? When they hear crickets during OCI?

11.) Do you ever get angry at the administration and say something? Does anyone say something?

12.) Are those who hate LLS, like yourself, shunned if they speak up?

13.) At what point (maybe 3L so you don't know) do people accept their TTT status and accept shitty employment? Before graduation?

14.) Do people end up taking non-law jobs during summers, like McDonalds or working at the Mall like High-schoolers? Since unpaid internship sucks anyways if it's some shitty one that leads nowhere?

15.) How many people in 1L work part time places at LLS? Are you allowed to work 1L? Second Part: Sames question for 2L?

16.) 20%+ don't even use their law degree and go into "business/industry" at LLS does this mean McJobs or some asst. manager at TTT retail store, or what the hell is this at LLS?

17.) How often do you drink/consider suicide/consider quitting?

18.) How are the professors? Do they realize it's TTT and let on, or they just lie to you?

19.) How are people in the top 10%? Do they still look/act inferior, does everyone hate them?

20.) Who goes to Southwestern, Non-Trads or just morons who have no concept of what life is after graduating? (Not an LLS question, but it should cheer you up to know there are much shittier schools in the LA area, and LLS is clearly still 3rd best.)

21.) Do students ever sabotage each other? Any dirty stories?

22.) How is the quality of life, are people happy or just bitter all the time?

23.) Do you live near campus, where do LLS students live?

24.) Do people whine about debt a lot?

25.) Why is LLS so cheap when giving financial aid?, it seems really TTT to give such low scholarships to candidates well above their medians, I know from first/2nd/3rd hand experience LLS is a TTT which looks like a scam by the fact they give virtually no money in grants.

26.) How hard is it to score well at LLS? I'm sure lots of LLS 1L's or 0L's are reading this thinking "fuck this, I can get into the top 10%, i'm smart", Tell these people, is the grading procedure fucking arbitrary law school bullshit, like at most schools, where some retard can get an A and some smart person gets a shitty B- or whatever grading system LLS has.

27.) How is the curve, it is harsh, it sounds like it's shitty and causes lots of people to get pushed out of the Top 10% for 1 slip up, i.e. the curve pushes people towards Top 10% then makes fucking brutal splits based on 1-2 grades down into the top 50% What the hell is this? Some attempt to show the avg. gpa os LLS students is decent but arbitrary top %'s?

28.) How is the staff? Are they approachable? Are they personable? Do they know people by name? Are they assholes who don't care? Are they all local minorities who don't know shit about Law School and have 2 hours of training to teach you how to make it big, but secretly resent even your TTT status since they are TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT local slum dwellers?

29.) How are the URM's at LLS? Does LLS even admit URM's for the purpose of seeming diverse or it's just a money trap to take the highest candidates to avoid slipping 20 spaces like USD.

and finally,

30.) How many LLS students read this, do you know? do you care? You seem pretty smart, you should be hired some place, atleast you give a fuck and aren't a retard. It seems lots of people are too stupid to realize they are even stupid, I think you get points, you seem intelligent, and LLS seems to be an arbitrary TTT which pushes many people into shitty positions because of basically no reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7893761)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:09 PM
Author: Loyola 2L

Uh damn this is a lot of writing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895420)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:07 PM
Author: Loyola 2L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895404)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:08 PM
Author: L2LFAN

Hey bro I love your work. Your WSJ blog posts were classic.

So tell us about your hot girlfriend. Is she going to dump you when she realizes you won't be making six figures?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895413)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:10 PM
Author: Loyola 2L

Thanks L2LFAN. She's a nice girl and I hope she doesn't dump me when she realizes that my 150k debt (which can't be discharged in bankruptcy might I add) will seriously set us back financially were we ever to get married.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895427)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:13 PM
Author: L2LFAN

I know you hope, but has she dropped any hints re: what she expects you to make?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895443)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:19 PM
Author: Loyola 2L

Not really she's not the most shrewd or crafty person there is. She's a nice girl, a bit naive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895477)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:17 PM
Author: L2LFAN

I just thought of a good question. Loyola is in a ghetto. Have any students been attacked/mugged/raped around campus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895466)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:21 PM
Author: Loyola 2L

I haven't heard of it because everybody pretty much drives to school and goes right into the parking lot attached to campus which has a lot of security guards. But the neighborhood is pretty ghetto and I wouldn't be surprised if there have been attacks that the administration kept "hush hush" to keep the school from having a dangerous reputation to potential applicants.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895490)




Date: April 8th, 2007 4:43 PM
Author: RatLaw (Not TTT)

You are clearly not committed to preventing others from being eaten by LLSTTT, or you would answer my brilliant follow-up questions!!!

Motivating you is difficult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895614)




Date: April 8th, 2007 5:33 PM
Author: L2LFAN

I thought your questions were funny. Address them to the board in general.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7895862)




Date: April 8th, 2007 6:27 PM
Author: AK47

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=609486&forum_id=2#7896155)