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Poor girl from VA struggles to fit in at YALE (feature)

"Yale's Other Class" - Hartford Courant feature story
*NYCFan*
  06/10/07
You guys are all exactly right. She should stop whining bec...
rednblue
  06/10/07
You guys are all exactly right. She should stop whining bec...
rednblue
  06/10/07
shut up aurora
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  06/10/07
ungrateful poors
WELLSFARGOBAKER
  06/10/07
Exactly. The thought if people having to rub elbows with suc...
AntiGunner
  06/11/07
I don't even know where to begin with this. It's entirely r...
primefactor
  06/10/07
agreed, she self-segregated, nobody forced her to hang out w...
WELLSFARGOBAKER
  06/10/07
you're back!
Wheeeee lost his password
  06/10/07
yes definitely. entirely too self-pitying. at 45k her family...
where
  06/10/07
what a shithole
bothered
  06/10/07
Decidedly unprestigous
rachmiel-- I\'m back
  06/10/07
What a bitch, I know a bunch of poors who don't act like shi...
YourlocalDJ
  06/10/07
Nobody expects someone serving food to be on work-study -- I...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
Her story is proof that elites lower the bar for poors. 5th...
Judas Jones
  06/10/07
is she any dumber than someone who takes a prep class and en...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
Probably not, but the article implies that schools like Yale...
Judas Jones
  06/10/07
it's kind of different than admitting a black kid who went t...
pulled pork bbq
  06/10/07
uh tons of poors go to andover, milton, etc
WELLSFARGOBAKER
  06/10/07
implication seems to be a smart kid ranked high at a ttt hs ...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
no the implication seems to be a poor from a ttt hs would pr...
WELLSFARGOBAKER
  06/10/07
Where do you think that black on full scholarship at Andover...
*NYCFan*
  06/10/07
??!?!? i give up. nobody has fucking comprehension skills
WELLSFARGOBAKER
  06/10/07
I don't see how "these schools do increase socioeconomi...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
what about real estate tycoon parents? buying small inexpen...
anemonic mnemonic
  06/10/07
if you wanted your kid to get into uta, to maximize his chan...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
She sounds like a bitch. I took the fucking Greyhound, and s...
Timothy Smith
  06/10/07
whiny poors are the worst
anemonic mnemonic
  06/10/07
I gotta say . . . who complains about getting a full ride at...
Hail to the redskins
  06/10/07
similarly, if she wanted to hang with her classmates, she co...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
fucking ungrateful poor
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  06/10/07
This is really sad as they have colleges for poors like her ...
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  06/10/07
I'm a poor..and I didn't get a free ride to my top 30 public...
Puck42
  06/10/07
45k really isn't poor.
flyfisher110
  06/10/07
seems unrealistically high.
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
I was thinking this as well... and it's not like they're liv...
george michael
  06/10/07
god. i hate poor people.
siegfried
  06/10/07
you also hate rich people. what income band do you dislike ...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
i'm a regular middle class girl, so i like other middle clas...
siegfried
  06/10/07
WHY DO POOR PEOPLE GO TO COLLEGE AND MAJOR IN THINGS LIKE GR...
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  06/10/07
so they can graduate.
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
and so the cycle continues?
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  06/10/07
girls can always get married.
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
sexist
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  06/10/07
most poors marry other poors, so it'll be the same anyways.
siegfried
  06/10/07
hot girls can marry up -- look at charles and diana
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
most smart rich guys don't want trashy uncultured bitches ev...
siegfried
  06/10/07
she went to yale, for pete's sake how can she be trashy and...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
a rare find for a poor. most poors don't get Ivy league educ...
siegfried
  06/10/07
...
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  06/10/07
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/05/13/11...
WELLSFARGOBAKER
  06/10/07
...
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  06/10/07
in the 75th percentile of yale chicks.
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/10/07
Her picture from the Hartford Courant story (one of 7 pictur...
*NYCFan*
  06/11/07
constipation -- the silent killer.
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/11/07
flattering pic here: http://www.courant.com/media/photo/200...
45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
  06/11/07
so yale should quit admitting poors
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  06/10/07
TCR
YourlocalDJ
  06/10/07
Political implications
rpmckeon
  06/11/07
I was also thinking this.
Timothy Smith
  06/11/07
I think they took parts of I am Charlotte Simmons and used i...
Judas Jones
  06/11/07
This could have been written at a number of private and publ...
AntmaticYale05
  06/18/07
I can't help but conclude that Aurora Nichols missed some im...
andyk5
  06/18/07


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Date: June 10th, 2007 10:05 AM
Author: *NYCFan*
Subject: "Yale's Other Class" - Hartford Courant feature story

http://www.courant.com/news/education/hc-yaleclass0610.artjun10,0,2002014.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking

Yale's Other Class

Her lower-income background put her in a distinct minority among fellow Bulldogs. She was steadfastly upfront about who she was. And her diploma reflects a challenging, often painful education in the rites of privilege.

By KIM MARTINEAU

Courant Staff Writer

June 10 2007

In a place where talking about money is taboo, Aurora Nichols wants to tell you how much she spent on deodorant, train tickets and takeout. And so, as the finale to her Yale education, she took pictures of these purchases and put them on display in a campus art gallery.

In the preface to her senior project, Aurora reveals that she's on financial aid and that in less than three months, she spent $1,500 -- almost exactly what she earned. Her photographs of pad Thai and Amtrak tickets clash silently with the abstract paintings and landscape portraits created by her classmates.

"She didn't buy very much," a student in designer jeans declares softly during the formal opening.

The compliment, if intended that way, is lost on Aurora. She's in another room, in a trench coat and sensible shoes, taking her relatives on a tour. She pulled three all-nighters to hang her pictures and, though her adviser dismissed them as unworthy, Aurora has been pleased by the feedback. "I just wanted to see if it would cause people to think about money more," she said. "It looked like it did."

Five years ago, Aurora rode into Old Campus from Charlottesville, Va., carrying a trunk of hand-me-downs and a working-class background that placed her in a small minority at Yale. She would meet the daughter of President Bush and the son of British Prime Minister Tony Blair. She'd learn to pour wine correctly and cook pasta "al dente," as well as pick off free food at receptions. But she would never allow herself truly to connect with her classmates and feel comfortable.

It was easy to make excuses. She had to work while her classmates had time to fritter away on intramural sports and socializing. She missed out on the best classes and internships because she lacked contacts and guidance.

Her parents, who dropped out of community college, make light of their modest intellectual achievements. "They wanted me to be `edumecated' - that's our family joke," Aurora said. "No one really knows what getting educated means."

At Yale, she would earn a degree in graphic design. But her education would be all about class, as she learned to navigate an upper-crust world that left her feeling confused, resentful and deeply inadequate.

Aurora's family income hovers around $45,000 a year, just under the national median, qualifying her for nearly a full scholarship at Yale. Nearly 60 percent of her classmates do not qualify for any financial aid, with family incomes at $120,000 a year or more.

The Egalitarian

Yale likes to project an egalitarian image. If you're smart enough you can go, even if you're unable to pay. Yet, several decades after going to "need-blind" admissions and promoting itself as open to all, Yale educates about the same proportion of upper-class students as it did in the 1950s, according to Joseph Soares in his new book, "The Power of Privilege."

The explanations for the lag in socioeconomic diversity at Yale and other elite colleges vary. Some critics blame low-performing public schools for leaving poor kids less prepared. Others say Yale and its peers place too much stock in standardized test scores, which correlate strongly with wealth and parental education. Still others claim that admissions breaks for athletes and the children of alumni have perpetuated a system that for centuries has reproduced the ruling elite.

Troubled by the perception that tax-exempt colleges are catering to the rich, a few members of Congress are looking for ways to make colleges provide more assistance to low-income students. The ideas include forcing colleges to spend a greater percentage of their endowments each year and taxing their off-shore investments.

"These are extremely wealthy schools serving extremely wealthy students," said Tom Mortenson, a longtime advocate for low-income students, based in Oskaloosa, Iowa. "Is that a positive public role that deserves public money and tax-exempt status?"

Yale says it wants to admit more low-income students but has set no firm goals. "We are committed to an admissions process that evaluates students case by case, not according to a quota," said Jeffrey Brenzel, director of undergraduate admissions, who attended Yale on a scholarship.

Recruitment remains Yale's focus. To entice more low-income kids to apply, Yale has improved its financial aid and teamed up with community organizations that provide college counseling.

For now, Yale is sticking with its early admissions program, although Harvard, Princeton and the University of Virginia have eliminated theirs, claiming early admissions benefit the wealthy. President Richard Levin told the Yale Alumni Magazine that fewer financial aid students are accepted early but that "early admissions need not affect the overall demographics of the class."

Aurora is one of the few to cross Yale's class threshold, but once inside, she struggled to fit in. Talk about money, race and grades was frowned upon, she quickly learned. Yet, as much as she craved connection, she seemed unable to stop speaking her mind and adopt her peers' keen sense of discretion.

Her anxiety at being on the margins hit home one night while she was working in the dining hall. She complimented a student on his University of Virginia hat and found out he was from Charlottesville. Excited, she explained that she was, too.

"What are you doing up here?" he asked. Aurora was confused, then hurt as it sunk in. He had mistaken her for a townie. "I go here," she said, realizing that attending Yale is not the same as belonging.

Aurora's History/Yale's History

Aurora's parents met at Southside Virginia Community College. Her mother, Maureen, who goes by "Mo," picked the college out of a catalog one day and left the Bronx for the South. She married another would-be carpenter, Lacy Willard Nichols, who goes by L.W.

Mo now drives a recycling truck for U.Va., a campus of brick buildings and white columns. L.W. was a technician for MCI WorldCom, the telecommunications giant, until a massive accounting fraud drove the company into bankruptcy in 2002. L.W. now works as a self-employed handyman. When they bought their first house, within walking distance of their church, the neighbors welcomed them with a peach cobbler pie.

In high school, Aurora took only two Advanced Placement classes each semester - a limit set by her mom, who insisted she leave time for hobbies or falling in love. On the advice of a neighbor, Aurora applied to Yale and got in - ranked fifth in her high school graduating class, with 1440 on the SAT.

"It was bragging rights," Mo said one morning in New Haven, sipping coffee outside Atticus bookstore. "My daughter got into YALE! We didn't really know what that meant but everyone knows about Yale." Aurora came to "Bulldog Days" to check out the campus. Impressed by the Gothic buildings and the generous financial aid - more than U.Va. was giving - she accepted.

There were hints, even before she got there, that she'd be an outsider. One day a postcard arrived from a future suite-mate. Postmark: Dubrovnik. Aurora searched for the city on a map. Oh, Croatia, she realized. Outfitting their common room came up next. One suite-mate volunteered a mini-fridge, another, a chaise longue. Lamely, Aurora offered up her trunk. Emptied of her clothes, it could serve as a coffee table.

Aurora was moving into the dorms when her mom met "Jane." Mo recognized the face and tried to place the name. Finally, it hit her. "Oh, she's from TV!" she realized. Aurora's new roommate, Rachel, known as "Rickie," was the daughter of TV anchor Jane Pauley and Garry Trudeau, creator of the Doonesbury comic strip. Aurora long ago lost touch with her freshman roommates but occasionally thinks of Rickie when wriggling her fingers into the insulated leather gloves she received that first Christmas.

It was chance that delivered her to Davenport - one of 12 residential colleges - with printing presses and a pottery studio in its basement. Ricky Trudeau, in contrast, inherited Davenport from her father, like an antique china set. The same tradition carried Barbara Bush to Davenport, following her dad, the president, who followed his dad, who was also president.

During the social unrest of the 1960s, Yale opened its doors to women and minorities and remade itself as a meritocracy, at least by way of gender and race. It wasn't until the attack on affirmative action several years ago that journalists and academics began to look at how wealth drives admission to America's elite schools.

The college applications that students take for granted today were created in the 1920s by Harvard, Princeton and Yale to limit Jewish enrollment, sociologist Jerome Karabel writes in his book "The Chosen." Jews were outperforming the sons of the Protestant establishment on standardized tests, and the Big Three needed a pretext to turn some away. The new admissions system would require letters of recommendation and emphasize sports and subjective traits such as leadership and character.

Still in place today, the system no longer screens out Jews but has done remarkably well at leaving the poor and working class outside the gates.

A Foot In Two Worlds

Aurora has seen the class divide up close. She could have picked a cushy job in the library, checking out books, or in the development office, calling up alumni to ask for money. Instead, she chose to work in the Davenport dining hall, washing dishes.

She liked the evening hours and the free meals. But she also felt more comfortable around her co-workers, who spoke and acted like people from home. Four nights a week, she found a place to hide from the stressful expectations of school and her awkward attempts at making friends. Her view of Yale through the lens of the dining hall often accentuated her feeling of alienation.

On a Saturday night last winter, the Yale Bellydance Society chose Davenport for its theme party, "A Night at the Casbah." After dinner, the belly dancers pushed the tables against the wall, turning a sedate room, with a Waterford crystal chandelier glittering at the center, into a raucous dance hall.

Aurora was there, but not to dance. As a student manager, she was paid $15 an hour to make sure the kitchen and cleanup ran smoothly. As the meal wound down, a member of the Bellydance club approached Aurora to ask for the tray of leftover brownies.

"Any leftovers go to the homeless shelter," she said curtly.

The student tried humor. "College kids are hungry?"

"No," Aurora said firmly, cheeks flushed.

"The food is for homeless people," she said later. "It isn't for hungry Yalies who already ate dinner and had a chance to eat a brownie."

His sense of entitlement made her indignant. Yet, she also admits to making exceptions when her own survival was at stake. She routinely ate for free in the dining hall, even when she was not working, allowing her co-workers to bend the rules. Two years ago, she convinced the master of her college to lend her a laptop computer, saving her trips to the computer lab late at night.

In the dining hall, she straddled the lines of race and class. She had less money than most of her classmates, but like them, she was passing through, bound for opportunity. Most of her co-workers, though, had never been to college. Their horizon was limited. Most of Aurora's classmates were white. Most of her colleagues were black.

Last fall, the Yale Herald took a look at why so few students become friendly with the dining hall staff. While others might have tactfully avoided discussing color, Aurora spoke bluntly. "I think honestly, it's because they're black," she told the Herald.

"To be able to have a conversation with people who don't look like you is rare, I think," she said later. "I feel like in the South it's more open because the wounds are more visible."

Offended at the implied racism, Aurora's classmates bombarded her with e-mails. The master's wife took her aside for a talk. Her boss warned her to refer reporters, in the future, to public affairs. But her co-workers thanked her. "I agree with you 130 percent," one black woman told her.

Many of her classmates avoided speaking candidly with reporters, aware that their comments could come back to haunt them as they ascend the ranks of business and politics. It's not that Aurora had ruled out the prospect of becoming famous, it's just that honesty was more important, even when that meant placing herself in an unflattering light.

The World Gets Bigger

Last year, when Yale announced it was giving away scholarships to let financial aid kids study abroad, Aurora hemmed and hawed. Her French was horrible. She'd never been outside the country.

But she overcame her fear and one day, a check for $6,500 arrived in the mail. During previous summers, she had worked as a camp counselor and a cashier at Food Lion. She never, ever, imagined someone might pay her to eat pastries in Paris.

She found a bargain flight to London on Air India and took a high-speed train across the Channel. She stayed with a Parisian woman near the Bibliotheque Nationale and fell in love with mango ice cream and the smooth efficiency of the trains and buses. On the ride back to London she cried at the thought she might never be back. The boundaries of her world had expanded.

The experience awakened a hunger for more. For the first time at Yale, instead of going home for spring break in March, she hopped a train to Montreal with her friend Phoebe Rounds, who also was on financial aid. They stayed in a youth hostel and Aurora practiced her French. The weekend after she got back, the Davenport photo club was sponsoring a trip to New York.

Aurora didn't think twice. The club was leaving early enough that she'd be able to get back to New Haven in time for work. On the 8:57 a.m. train to Grand Central, Aurora picked a seat across from Matt Delgado, a friend from L.A. They met in the master's office where Aurora began working two days a week, after cutting back her hours in the dining hall.

A year ago, the thought of traveling alone terrified Aurora, but now she was speaking with the confidence of a jet-setter. "It's totally worth it!" she told Matt, who had just applied for a scholarship to study in Japan. "I had to go to summer school anyway. I could pay Yale $1,800 or I could go to Paris and get $1,800." For dramatic effect, she pretended to debate two options that were obviously unequal.

Like Aurora, Matt was on financial aid. One of his work-study jobs included going back to his high school to recruit promising kids. Cost, he said, is the hurdle most cited by students for not applying to Yale. He assures them that if their parents make less than $45,000 a year, their education is free - a policy Yale started two years ago, following Harvard and Princeton.

"It's not true," Aurora interrupted. Though Yale eliminated the "parent contribution," students are still required to contribute a share of their work-study earnings. Over four years, Yale asked Aurora to contribute $7,000 through work-study while her parents paid another $11,000. To cover other expenses, Aurora took out $5,000 in loans.

"Nothing's ever free in life," Matt answered with a shrug.

"Except Paris!" Aurora cried. They giggled like conspirators.

"Except Japan!" Matt added.

Campus Change

Aurora doesn't follow campus politics. But this past year, she decided to vote for a sophomore running for president of the Yale College Council, partly on Phoebe's advice. She had never met Zach Marks, an athlete and amateur chef whose gourmet concoctions in the dining hall landed him in the pages of The New York Times. His father went to Yale Law School.

On a campus where tuition-paying students predominate, Zach ran on a platform to improve financial aid. He lost, but Aurora was impressed that someone with means would want to help those without. If there were more students like her at Yale, she wondered, would she have felt less like an outcast?

Last year, a group of students on financial aid formed "Class Matters." Aurora went to a few meetings but left frustrated with the discussion, which revolved mostly around sociology tracts. "They don't realize that class is a real thing, more than an academic pursuit," she said.

She found it puzzling that some were embarrassed to reveal their financial aid status. "Who cares?" she said. "We get free money to go here. That's awesome."

A few top colleges are starting to question their elitism. Three years ago, Harvard's president, Lawrence Summers, drew national attention to the preponderance of wealthy students at elite colleges, including his own.

"Our doors have long been open to talented students regardless of financial need but many students simply do not know or believe this," he said. "We are determined to change both the perception and the reality."

The changes ranged from beefing up financial aid to publishing a guide, "Shoe String Strategies for Life at Harvard," full of money-saving tips. Inspired, Aurora published a booklet of her own for Yale this spring called "A Guide for Bulldogs on a Budget" to go with her senior project.

Harvard made the headlines but Smith College has quietly led the charge. With a fraction of Yale's endowment, Smith enrolls twice the percentage of students with Pell Grants.

Smith looks beyond SAT scores to identify students with talent and motivation, a practice that the school's dean of enrollment said has probably hurt the school's place in the U.S. News and World Report "best colleges" rankings. Smith also helps students navigate financial aid forms, especially cumbersome for students raised by a single parent.

Once the students are there, Smith provides extra academic support and even a closet full of suits for students to borrow on job interviews. The school sees educational value in exposing students to all viewpoints. It's also a matter of fairness.

"We're a tax-exempt organization," said Audrey Smith, dean of enrollment. "We have a mission to serve the public good and I think we're doing that."

Amherst College is also making a push to be more inclusive. Anthony Marx, a political science professor turned college president, has been outspoken about the need for elite colleges to be open to all, not just the privileged. This past school year, the number of students with Pell Grants climbed 3 percentage points, to 15 percent.

Graduation

There was a time when Aurora considered leaving Yale, free money or not. She took a year off, reapplied and counted down the days until she could leave for good.

But by the time graduation arrived last month, she seems in no rush to leave. While her classmates party at Myrtle Beach during senior week, she stays in New Haven to work and relax.

Her parents roll into town driving the same car, an Oldsmobile Cutlass with 260,000 miles, that dropped Aurora off as a freshman. She has convinced her brother, Cassidy, who just finished his first year at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, to join them.

For two days, the family troops from one ceremony to the next, starting with the baccalaureate. They climb the marble stairs in Woolsey Hall into the choir loft and watch Levin from afar, in a gown with velvet chevrons and a gold medallion necklace. The stage is furnished like a parlor, with wooden chairs, a Persian rug and a great silver mace that required two men to lug from its secure location in Woodbridge Hall.

They skip the $25-a-head brunch in the dining hall and head for Mamoun's, a local Middle Eastern dive. They pass a BMW convertible lowering its top. L.W., a burly man with a bushy beard, used to feel uncomfortable around the fathers in starched shirts, but now he just laughs. He calls to the driver: "You have a microwave in there, too?"

After the final graduation ceremony, they stumble, exhausted, back to Aurora's room to pack. She has bought her brother a ticket home on Amtrak, freeing up space in the car for her belongings. She'll stay on campus for another two weeks to work alumni reunions.

The Cutlass is parked outside the stucco apartment building. As Aurora empties her closet, L.W. and Cassidy haul the boxes downstairs.

Aurora chucks a stack of papers from her senior project into the trash. "It's so great to throw this stuff out and not care," she says. "It's over - I got a `B,' done, passed." A pile of unread New Yorkers, a gift from her mother, follows.

She slides her diploma into her art portfolio. "It annoys me," she says. "It's all written in Latin, I can't read any of it."

Aurora looks up when L.W. returns for another load. "Hey daddy-man, guess what?" she says, giddy. "Almost done!"

"I don't think so," he laughs. "Somehow I don't."

Mo is slumped on Aurora's mattress. For two nights, she and L.W. shared the futon, now folded and packed, while Cassidy slept on the floor, on cushions. No one slept very well in the heat.

"I have total inertia," Mo tells Aurora. "Is that what it's called when you can't move?"

"That's what I call it," Aurora snaps.

Aurora's patience is wearing thin. Every time they passed a scrap of litter on campus, Mo would bend down to pick it up, as if she was still working, to Aurora's embarrassment.

At the same time, she's proud of her mother. Mo was recently accepted into a scholarship program at Mount Holyoke College and despite Aurora's own disappointment with Yale, she's pleased her mother is pursuing her dreams.

As Mo watches her daughter pack, she takes mental notes for her own college journey. "There's no way I'm going to accumulate this much crap," she announces.

Down at the curb, L.W. has managed to fit all of Aurora's stuff in the Cutlass, except a drying rack and a shopping cart. "Which is more important?" he asks, holding them both up.

Aurora points to the shopping cart she bought at Family Dollar. "This one cost $20," she says, and pointing to the rack from IKEA: "This one cost $11."

Mo suggests they strap them to the Cutlass, like "Okies" fleeing the Dust Bowl, but L.W. has a better idea and starts unscrewing the shopping cart wheels. Now flat as a board, the cart slides into the trunk, obliterating the last sliver of daylight in the rear window.

They gather on the sidewalk for a group hug, Mo clutching a copy of Barack Obama's autobiography. Mo and L.W. are off now to Mount Holyoke, for a tour of the campus.

"Done good," Mo cries, as they pull away. "Done good."

When the car disappears from sight, Aurora and Cassidy climb the stairs to plan their night.



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Date: June 10th, 2007 6:06 PM
Author: rednblue

You guys are all exactly right. She should stop whining because she didn't come from wealthy New England stock ----

she should (1) take out alot of extra debt so she can hang out at trendy clubs with the other richy bitchy yale ugrads, (2) decorate her place with lots of crap she'll throw out anyway and (3) take ski trips to the Swiss Alps and beach jaunts to St Barts so she can complain about the gruel of planning the vacation over dinner at Davenport.

She could also try MUCH harder to ingratiate herself to all the other other richies at Yale (or most appropriately the nearly rich wannabes). The fact that no one wants to face or address the issues she correctly identifies or their own biases and preconceptions is irrelevant. After all....she's at Yale. she should shut up and be grateful for the opportunity right. The fact that she's as smart as ALL the other students and made it through one of the toughest humanities programs in the Ivies means nothing right.

NOT

- she made conscious decisions re what made her comfortable while in a vastly different environment than she was used to

- she (like most people not schooled in the life of the upper class milieu which is what the Ivies are) took time to adjust [IMHO she took a bit too much time, but to each her own] to the place

- self segration --- have any of you gone overseas and taken a good look at how Euro-Americans behave --- wonder why there are expat clubs, expat neighborhood and even expat sections in the cafeterias? Self segregation indeed. Don't throw stones......everyone does it. But when it happens in a white American environment, you have the audacity to take offense. Come one....the biggest expat area outside of the US happens to be in London. Go figure

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Date: June 10th, 2007 6:07 PM
Author: rednblue

You guys are all exactly right. She should stop whining because she didn't come from wealthy New England stock ----

she should (1) take out alot of extra debt so she can hang out at trendy clubs with the other richy bitchy yale ugrads, (2) decorate her place with lots of crap she'll throw out anyway and (3) take ski trips to the Swiss Alps and beach jaunts to St Barts so she can complain about the gruel of planning the vacation over dinner at Davenport.

She could also try MUCH harder to ingratiate herself to all the other other richies at Yale (or most appropriately the nearly rich wannabes). The fact that no one wants to face or address the issues she correctly identifies or their own biases and preconceptions is irrelevant. After all....she's at Yale. she should shut up and be grateful for the opportunity right. The fact that she's as smart as ALL the other students and made it through one of the toughest humanities programs in the Ivies means nothing right.

NOT

- she made conscious decisions re what made her comfortable while in a vastly different environment than she was used to

- she (like most people not schooled in the life of the upper class milieu which is what the Ivies are) took time to adjust [IMHO she took a bit too much time, but to each her own] to the place

- self segration --- have any of you gone overseas and taken a good look at how Euro-Americans behave --- wonder why there are expat clubs, expat neighborhood and even expat sections in the cafeterias? Self segregation indeed. Don't throw stones......everyone does it. But when it happens in a white American environment, you have the audacity to take offense. Come one....the biggest expat area outside of the US happens to be in London. Go figure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239328)





Date: June 10th, 2007 6:24 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,.


shut up aurora

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239393)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:27 AM
Author: WELLSFARGOBAKER (models and bottles)

ungrateful poors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238099)





Date: June 11th, 2007 11:29 AM
Author: AntiGunner

Exactly. The thought if people having to rub elbows with such a gauche and uppity poor and worse her yokel trash family made me ill. Why do we have to be egalitarian?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8241961)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:33 AM
Author: primefactor

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's entirely ridiculous. What a self-righteous brat. Maybe if she didn't waste her time at Yale "educating" others about what it's like to be poor, she'd have a useful education, an ability to earn money in the future, and could have borrowed another $10K or so in loans (STILL coming in damn cheaply) to jet off on spring break or go to dinner or wtfever with her rich "friends" (though clearly we can't call them friends, since this poor little thing was such a class-outsider).

Also, what kind of poor pays for Amtrack?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238109)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:35 AM
Author: WELLSFARGOBAKER (models and bottles)

agreed, she self-segregated, nobody forced her to hang out with the poors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238111)





Date: June 10th, 2007 12:56 PM
Author: Wheeeee lost his password

you're back!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238332)





Date: June 10th, 2007 1:28 PM
Author: where

yes definitely. entirely too self-pitying. at 45k her family still definitely makes more than the lowest income bracket and gets a good amount more money than she would at any other non HYP/Amherst school. a story like this out of yale is pretty ridiculous. im a low income student at a top university and it is not hard at all to pick out the poor kids on campus and make friends with them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238401)





Date: June 10th, 2007 11:05 AM
Author: bothered (this is Emmylou Harris and welcome to the Ryman)

what a shithole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238127)





Date: June 10th, 2007 12:51 PM
Author: rachmiel-- I\'m back (Columbia CS '08)

Decidedly unprestigous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238315)





Date: June 10th, 2007 12:52 PM
Author: YourlocalDJ

What a bitch, I know a bunch of poors who don't act like shit fucks. She should killself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238317)





Date: June 10th, 2007 1:02 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

Nobody expects someone serving food to be on work-study -- Ithought that went out with raccoon coats and megaphones.

while I couldn't relate to very rich people, my yale graduate friend is a regular guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238346)





Date: June 10th, 2007 1:35 PM
Author: Judas Jones

Her story is proof that elites lower the bar for poors. 5th in her class at a TTT high school, and a 1440 SAT should not be getting her into Yale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238421)





Date: June 10th, 2007 1:46 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

is she any dumber than someone who takes a prep class and ends up with a 1580?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238445)





Date: June 10th, 2007 2:07 PM
Author: Judas Jones

Probably not, but the article implies that schools like Yale do not actively seek out working class students, and only lower the bar for minorities, legacies and athletes. The fact is, these schools do increase socioeconomic diversity by lowering their standards to get students like this. If she had been an upper middle class girl taking 2 APs a year with a 1440 SAT score in Connecticut, she would not have been admitted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238499)





Date: June 10th, 2007 2:45 PM
Author: pulled pork bbq (the cheat)

it's kind of different than admitting a black kid who went to Andover with a 1310 though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238606)





Date: June 10th, 2007 3:31 PM
Author: WELLSFARGOBAKER (models and bottles)

uh tons of poors go to andover, milton, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238787)





Date: June 10th, 2007 3:58 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

implication seems to be a smart kid ranked high at a ttt hs is a better bet for a top school than a dumb kid who managed to graduate from a prep school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238926)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:01 PM
Author: WELLSFARGOBAKER (models and bottles)

no the implication seems to be a poor from a ttt hs would provide the same diversity as a black from andover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238939)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:03 PM
Author: *NYCFan*

Where do you think that black on full scholarship at Andover came from?

Andover, Exeter etc are "national schools" with just as much interest in "diversity" as the Ivies, and recruit heavily to achieve it.

Don't take many "dumb kids" however.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238952)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:06 PM
Author: WELLSFARGOBAKER (models and bottles)

??!?!?

i give up. nobody has fucking comprehension skills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8238965)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:17 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

I don't see how "these schools do increase socioeconomic diversity by lowering their standards to get students like this" is necessarily true. I don't see that admitting a 1440 (cold) kid represents a lowering of standards w/r/t a 1580 (coached) SAT.

the only realistic way a school has to increase socioeconomic diversity is admitting students by zip code. even in that case, you don't know if you're getting the servants' kids or the master's kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239021)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:44 PM
Author: anemonic mnemonic (the apostate)

what about real estate tycoon parents? buying small inexpensive property in a bad neighborhood and using that address--shrewd, or merely decadent?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239131)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:47 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

if you wanted your kid to get into uta, to maximize his chance of getting in the top ten percent, you probably should move to some low achieving barrio

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240057)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:56 PM
Author: Timothy Smith

She sounds like a bitch. I took the fucking Greyhound, and she rides the Amtrak and whines about her free ride to Yale? Fucking whore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239170)





Date: June 10th, 2007 4:57 PM
Author: anemonic mnemonic (the apostate)

whiny poors are the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239177)





Date: June 10th, 2007 5:51 PM
Author: Hail to the redskins

I gotta say . . . who complains about getting a full ride at Yale. If she wanted more money for college, like a previous poster said, she could have taken out a small loan that would have enabled her to have dinner out with her class mates, and then paid it off after graduation.

What is she doing after graduation, anyway?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239291)





Date: June 10th, 2007 8:40 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

similarly, if she wanted to hang with her classmates, she could have taken out a somewhat larger loan to go helicopter skiing at Val d'Isere.

Some people have a horror of debt -- going into debt simply for overpriced meals seems irrational to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239810)





Date: June 10th, 2007 5:53 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,. (Activist Hedge Fund Manager)


fucking ungrateful poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239300)





Date: June 10th, 2007 6:07 PM
Author: .........,,,,,. ,,,. ,.,. ,.,.,.,.... ..,....

This is really sad as they have colleges for poors like her in Virginia: VCCS.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239329)





Date: June 10th, 2007 6:19 PM
Author: Puck42

I'm a poor..and I didn't get a free ride to my top 30 public, let alone fuckin yale. I hate people like this.... you're getting something 98% of people would kill to have, yet you still bitch because you "didn't fit in." Grow up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239377)





Date: June 10th, 2007 8:43 PM
Author: flyfisher110 ("Don't immanentize the eschaton!")

45k really isn't poor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239824)





Date: June 10th, 2007 8:48 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement
Subject: seems unrealistically high.

dad lost his job and now does odd jobs. I can't see how the mom gets $45 K a year for driving a truck for uva

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239851)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:57 PM
Author: george michael (5 - 4 = unity)

I was thinking this as well... and it's not like they're living in a jersey suburb on that income

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240541)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:34 PM
Author: siegfried

god. i hate poor people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8239998)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:46 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

you also hate rich people.

what income band do you dislike the least?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240048)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:49 PM
Author: siegfried

i'm a regular middle class girl, so i like other middle class people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240069)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:38 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,.


WHY DO POOR PEOPLE GO TO COLLEGE AND MAJOR IN THINGS LIKE GRAPHIC DESIGN, LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240007)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:46 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

so they can graduate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240049)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:47 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,.


and so the cycle continues?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240053)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:49 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

girls can always get married.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240068)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:51 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,.


sexist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240078)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:53 PM
Author: siegfried

most poors marry other poors, so it'll be the same anyways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240087)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:53 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

hot girls can marry up -- look at charles and diana

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240092)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:57 PM
Author: siegfried

most smart rich guys don't want trashy uncultured bitches even if they're "hot"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240114)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:02 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

she went to yale, for pete's sake

how can she be trashy and uncultured?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240137)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:15 PM
Author: siegfried

a rare find for a poor. most poors don't get Ivy league education.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240231)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:59 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,. (Activist Hedge Fund Manager)




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240124)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:31 PM
Author: WELLSFARGOBAKER (models and bottles)

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/05/13/1147529734_4639.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240349)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:38 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,. (Activist Hedge Fund Manager)




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240396)





Date: June 10th, 2007 11:38 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

in the 75th percentile of yale chicks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240846)





Date: June 11th, 2007 11:35 AM
Author: *NYCFan*

Her picture from the Hartford Courant story (one of 7 pictures, actually)

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2007-06/30418440.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8241972)





Date: June 11th, 2007 1:03 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

constipation -- the silent killer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8242142)





Date: June 11th, 2007 1:07 PM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene\'s basement

flattering pic here:

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2007-06/30418438.jpg

fucken hippie parents -- what would you expect?

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2007-06/30418442.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8242147)





Date: June 10th, 2007 9:53 PM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,,,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,.,.


so yale should quit admitting poors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240093)





Date: June 10th, 2007 10:26 PM
Author: YourlocalDJ

TCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8240316)





Date: June 11th, 2007 11:54 AM
Author: rpmckeon (rpmckeon)
Subject: Political implications

Just curious about the political perspective of those of you who are lambasting these poors. I assume that most of you are political liberals, but maybe I'm wrong. I assume, I believe correctly, that most Yale undergrads would call themselves that in any event, and its the attitudes of these kids that seems to have gotten the goat of poor Aurora. Seems to me there are some ironies in all that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8241997)





Date: June 11th, 2007 11:37 AM
Author: Timothy Smith

I was also thinking this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8241976)





Date: June 11th, 2007 1:19 PM
Author: Judas Jones

I think they took parts of I am Charlotte Simmons and used it for the story. This girl seems like shtick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8242166)





Date: June 18th, 2007 6:33 PM
Author: AntmaticYale05

This could have been written at a number of private and public colleges

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8271155)





Date: June 18th, 2007 7:20 PM
Author: andyk5 (Yale)

I can't help but conclude that Aurora Nichols missed some important messages that she should have gotten during her time in college. As a fellow Yale financial aid student, I have also at times been tempted to mentally 'victimize' myself in the same manner that she has done, but my ultimate feelings about my financial and social situation within the Yale experience can be described as nothing short of infinite gratefulness. While I can understand that it may have been more difficult for her to progress through her college experience than most people at Yale, she should have realized by the time she graduated that her free, top-quality education was an opportunity rather than a burden.

In my opinion, this is incredibly irresponsible journalism. The newspaper could have easily found hundreds of grateful Yale students on financial aid who realize that their admission to Yale was the best opportunity that they have ever received (or earned, depending on your perspective).

Count me among them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643233&forum_id=1#8271314)