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omg LOL - Boalt has the same bar passage% as Pepperdine!!!!!!!
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Date: March 26th, 2008 3:20 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt "6th" best school in the country. They can't even pass the fucking bar.
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:18 AM Author: bateful area roommate Boalt's bar passage is not correctly reported.
HTH |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:19 AM Author: Big lettuce Do you really expect anyone to click on that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533897) |
Date: March 26th, 2008 3:27 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Is this the first time that a "T6" has had the same bar pass rate as their state's tier 2? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533019) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 3:45 AM Author: costumed dilemma regret Pepperdine had a better pass rate than Stanford at one point in the 1990's.
A lot of TTT's have good pass rates b/c they just teach the local bar for 3 years. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 3:47 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Bullshit. Stop covering for your shitty school, boalt troll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533104) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:03 AM Author: Big lettuce titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533853) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 10:52 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533828) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 10:54 AM Author: Ivory senate passing the bar on the first time is more important the worse you school is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533831) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 10:56 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Yeah, cuz students from good schools don't care about the bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533836) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:00 AM Author: Ivory senate because the bar is easier to pass the smarter you are. edit: to respond to your edit, i think TTT students study harder for the bar. additionally the standard TTT curriculum is all pretty blackletter, and this is partly because it's more urgent for TTT grads to pass than for people from real law schools. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:02 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Of course, it has nothing to do with that, or how good your school is.
Sheeesh! |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:04 AM Author: Ivory senate nothing to do with being smart? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533859) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:05 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Except that, other than Dolt, the top schools have excellent bar passage rates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533862) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:06 AM Author: Big lettuce They care about the bar, it just isn't as big of a deal if they fail it the first time. A lot of them also just assume that they can ace it without much preparation. One out of 11 Yale grads fail the NY bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533864) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:08 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt "it just isn't as big of a deal if they fail it the first time."
Wow. Just wow.
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:11 AM Author: Ivory senate it's not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533878) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:12 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Right. No one at your firm will lose respect for you if you're one of the 2% of associates who fail the bar.
Bar schmar. Biglaw is all about models and bottles. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:14 AM Author: Big lettuce A lot of people from TTTs who fail the first time never practice law PERIOD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533884) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:17 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Right, because small firms are really picky about passing the bar. Hypercompetitive biglaw doesn't care about the bar, but small firms do. It's all so obvious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533889) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:21 AM Author: Big lettuce dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533900) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:19 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook It's really not as big a deal as you think it is. There are a few people at my firm who didn't pass the first time, and it's not like we talk about them or look at them differently or anything. It's a tough exam, some people fail, but as long as you pass the second time around one failure is generally just chalked up to one lousy morning/afternoon. After a year or so I don't think anyone even really remembers who needed to retake.
However it does royally suck for the person who failed during those few months before he/she has a chance to redeem him/herself...but even then it's usually not as bad as the failure thinks it is. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:21 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt It is as bad. Basically that was your first huge test as an associate, and you were one of a tiny minority who couldn't pass it. The partners are now suspicious. Your coworkers think less of you. Even your family thinks less of you, because the bar has layman acclaim.
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:24 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook where are you getting this from? what year are you, at what kind of a firm?
i certainly don't think less of my coworkers who failed, and none of the associates whom i work with do either. i guess i can't speak for the partners but i've never seen any indication that they care too much either.
and i don't know about your fam but if they'd think less of you for failing the bar then you have some real shitty individuals in your gene pool. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:25 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt That's because you're insincere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533911) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:26 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook can you answer my initial questions, so i can have some idea as to what's your frame of reference? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533914) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:29 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Dood, give it up. You either failed the bar and are all defensive about it, or you're unbelievably insincere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533925) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:31 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook so i can take it that you don't actually work at a biglaw firm, and therefore really don't know what you're talking about?
oh and fwiw it's pretty well documented around here that i passed the first time around...and the fact that everyone on the thread disagrees with your claims should clue you in to the fact that you have no idea how things work IRL. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:33 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Why be so insincere? Why keep track of those who failed, which you admit to doing, lose respect for them (which you did), but not admit it?
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:34 AM Author: Big lettuce Of course he doesn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533937) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:37 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook do you ever feel foolish for arguing with people on this site only to realize later that they are clearly flame and/or completely uninformed?
i'm experiencing this right now. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:38 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Sorry about your tiny pink repressing something insincerity bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533949) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:40 AM Author: Big lettuce You could be right. I haven't made up my mind yet - there are some really stupid people here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533954) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:28 AM Author: Big lettuce No one ever assumes that anyone from a T14 fails because they aren't capable of passing. If you come from a LS that is a glorified 3 year barbri course and are one of the 50% who fails, that's another matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533918) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:30 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Keep telling yourself that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533927) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:32 AM Author: Big lettuce LOL
Ok hot shot. Good luck in July. Third time's the charm. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:36 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Making fun of me for failing the bar? That post doesn't contradict everything else you wrote. You can't even keep your argument straight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533939) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:41 AM Author: Big lettuce "That post doesn't contradict everything else you wrote."
huh? |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:13 AM Author: Big lettuce It isn't as big of a deal. There is little chance a V100 firm will fire a 1st year associate merely for failing the bar exam on the first try.
It is a huge deal for those from TTT schools in which a significant % of students are unemployed at graduation. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:15 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt They won't fire you immediately, but it has a hugely negative impact on your reputation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533885) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:19 AM Author: Big lettuce There's a very good chance they'll be able to lateral.
If you don't have a job at graduation and don't pass the bar exam the first time there is a significant chance you'll never practice period. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:24 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Right, the small firm, which has employed the TTT for $20/hour throughout law school is suddenly going to fire him because he failed the bar. However, at hyper-competitive biglaw, failing doesn't matter at all..
It's so obvious! |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:30 AM Author: Ivory senate it's industry standard at large firms to give you a second chance. these are the law firms, remember, that hire you 9 months in advance of your summer associateship and then pay you $30,000 for writing 'research memos' and getting fat for 10 weeks. they do not fire you for failing the bar once. they do not care. you draw that paycheck until you fail a second time. small firms, on the other hand, tend not to fuck around with TTT grads who can't manage to pass the bar. many won't hire until you've got the bar membership in hand. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:43 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Right, small firms don't fuck around with bar failers. Fail the bar at a small firms and the partner will smack you around Gordon Gecko style and throw you in the gutter. Biglaw though doesn't give a shit. It's all cool and relaxed in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533962) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:49 AM Author: Big lettuce Again - a lot of TTT grads who fail the bar exam will never pass it even if they plow a lot of effort into studying. There is a huge labor pool of fungible TTT grads.
If you fail and you're from a TTT, that means that you're probably incompetent, or lazy, or both.
Virtually no one from a T14 is incapable of passing the bar. If they fail it is because they were overconfident and didn't study much or because they were very ill. Biglaw firms invest a lot of resources in a person before hiring them. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:51 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Wait, are you Russkie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533990) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:56 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Oh dear heavens, you are Russkie aren't you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533995) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:57 AM Author: Big lettuce No. Believe it or not, many people in biglaw or at T14s will tell you the same thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533997) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 12:01 PM Author: sepia cracking clown newt T14. rofl. As long as you're from a T14, they'll just hand you a partnership. They know you're smart, so huge fuckups like failing the bar have no impact on their perception. But only if you have "T14" smarts. lol.
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Date: March 26th, 2008 12:19 PM Author: Big lettuce "T14. rofl. As long as you're from a T14, they'll just hand you a partnership. "
Nice straw man.
I've already explained the reasoning involved. These aren't firms that just try associates on for size and ditch them after two months if they don't work out. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 12:41 PM Author: sepia cracking clown newt "reasoning" lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9534119) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 1:24 PM Author: Big lettuce Try it sometime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9534246) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 1:28 PM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Of course, only "T14" students who fail the bar can reason, eh? rofl.
"T14." |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 1:38 PM Author: Big lettuce No, there are a few others who can also reason, you just aren't one of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9534293) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 1:47 PM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Yes sir. Sorry for my affront to your "T14" prestige. lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9534310) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:22 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook see my post above -- reputation-wise it's really not a big deal so long as you pass the second time around.
the fact is that it's a tough exam that even smart people occassionally fail. xoxo-types will clown you incessantly, but biglaw attorneys generally will not. |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:27 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Oh I see, so you have to fail two times before it hurts your rep. Failing once is nothing, but if you fail twice, that's really really bad.
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:33 AM Author: bearded travel guidebook basically.
look, until you actually take the bar and get a job you might want to stop fronting like you have any frame of reference. you're out of your element.
are you even in law school yet? |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:39 AM Author: Big lettuce A lot of people overestimate how much mental energy partners and senior associates invest in thinking/caring about first year associates. We're talking about a very busy and self absorbed group here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533950) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 12:16 PM Author: nofapping comical step-uncle's house that happens to be exactly how it goes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9534044) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:25 AM Author: Ivory senate not really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533913) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:14 AM Author: Bronze pistol corner Whats Hastings? I imagine it plummeted this year after the horrible tragedy they endured last April |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:18 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Same as Dolt/Pooperdine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533892) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:23 AM Author: Bronze pistol corner ty dood. what about UIUC? How diid Mandy's peers fare? |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:31 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Damn, it's only 88% in Chicago (U of Chicago's is 98%.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533931) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:47 AM Author: sepia cracking clown newt Oh, but this has nothing to do with UIUC being a shittier school than Chicago. People at TTTs like Chicago need to pass the bar or they'll lose their job, but people from good schools like UIUC aren't under that pressure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533974) |
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Date: March 26th, 2008 11:23 AM Author: Smoky locale Why is Davis so much lower (75%)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=790147&forum_id=2#9533908) |