Date: March 5th, 2009 5:31 PM
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anyone compile a list of oct lsat ?s
also, does anyone remember the autistic children ?... inimp 10/06/03
yes i rember that one. its a 2n question. the right asnwer i... shinotenshi 10/06/03
no i think the right answer is the one that says that medica... card02 10/06/03
Yes, this is correct. The alternate answer might be importa... Voop 10/06/03
The right answer was medication that gives false positives c... jdiddy62 10/06/03
agreed.... The Invisible Hand XX 10/06/03
replace medication with "test" Andrew from LI 10/06/03
that answer choice says, test that give false positive can ... shinotenshi 10/07/03
can someone please just tell me the main conclusion of this ... porkbun 10/07/03
No, I'm 100% sure that that was not the correct answer. Tha... dottie 10/07/03
I agree. If I remember correctly the stimulus said that the... madigana 10/07/03
YES! THAT'S IT! Exactly. I was really starting to doubt m... dottie 10/07/03
that's what I put, too... jeffspicoli 10/07/03
I agree with your statement that the argument deals with tre... Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
The conclusion of the argument was about whether or not the ... dottie 10/07/03
Hmmm. I bet you're right. My reasoning in ruling out the a... Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
I also picked the "earlier treatment" asnwer, for what it's ... rolific* 10/07/03
the wording of that was something along the lines of can you... Bokemon58 10/07/03
An even more simpler explanation, but its freakin trademarke... shinotenshi 10/07/03
i can't understand any of your above post. Which one was co... Beareater2 10/07/03
That is what I put--are you sure it is correct? What did ... ronny 10/07/03
There's a whole other thread about the smog question. You c... dottie 10/07/03
i put that tests that give false positives can still be effe... Agalon 10/07/03
This would, of course, be a primary consideration in real li... Voop 10/07/03
perceptions and beliefs ldoru 10/07/03
yes, it was the 3rd to last q in the LR section. flawed rea... retrospection 10/07/03
NUTRITION / VIOLENT TEEN QUESTION! dottie 10/07/03
Agreed Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
Yeah, thanks to Testmaster's from me, too.... dottie 10/07/03
Anyone with only 2 LR sections? Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
Oh, yeah, that was a real one. That was the very first LR q... dottie 10/07/03
I chose that answer as well because a gray rabbit is still a... Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
This is one confusing thread. So was the answer to the me... mrlucky 10/07/03
I put that too, but the most recent poster said that's wrong... Andrew from LI 10/07/03
autistic children iwantmyscore 10/07/03
That's the closest to the real answer choice I've seen on th... nycactor 10/07/03
yes! see my post below ldoru 10/07/03
The answer to the autism question was the assumption that th... dottie 10/07/03
don't be so sure.. ldoru 10/07/03
I don't remember details of this test too well, but I'm almo... dottie 10/07/03
i just remembered! ldoru 10/07/03
See Madigana's post above in the thread. She explains exact... dottie 10/07/03
I put the same answer that you put. I am 100% sure that it i... bluebell 10/07/03
answer to autism iwantmyscore 10/07/03
I don't think the benefit was that it was more accurate, it ... dottie 10/07/03
conclusion ldoru 10/07/03
I cant remember all the answer choices but i put the same a... Maui Jim 10/07/03
The answer was something like tests (not treatments...this i... Voop 10/07/03
Dottie, why would that have been the answer? I am starting ... anku 10/07/03
rc iwantmyscore 10/07/03
i do... ldoru 10/07/03
Ldoru I'm actually drawing a blank on her name. Do you reme... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
woman? that must have been experimental. mexican photographe... ldoru 10/07/03
I only had the real rc. For the cullens one, which ones can... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
ok i've got some for ya.. ldoru 10/07/03
Hey thanks. "what is the purpose of the specific referenc... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
Ldoru, regarding the question in the Countee Cullen section ... nycactor 10/07/03
i found the one you chose seductive as well but in the end d... ldoru 10/07/03
I picked the answer that nycactor picked because in that par... Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
i could very well stand corrected because i read through tha... ldoru 10/07/03
regarding the victorian philanthropy passage, i didn't think... Agalon 10/07/03
oops..meant to post this here ldoru 10/07/03
I don't know; now I'm starting to doubt myself. EDIT: No... dottie 10/07/03
We need someone with a photographic memory.... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
There were only 2 RC ?s that gave me trouble, and I can reca... mrlucky 10/07/03
I think I remember choosing an answer saying that the govern... nycactor 10/07/03
nycactor, I put that also.... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
That's right.... dottie 10/07/03
sorry.. ldoru 10/07/03
shit. not what i needed to hear. maybe i need to revisit t... mrlucky 10/07/03
ok let's remember something here.. ldoru 10/07/03
thanks but i'm already well into the double digits on misses... mrlucky 10/07/03
which game was experimental? washdc 10/07/03
Yeah. I only had one games section (my first). It was: dr... dottie 10/07/03
... CoolDogM 10/07/03
If I'm not getting mixed up, wasn't it "cynical skepticism,"... nycactor 10/07/03
cynical skepticism does ring a bell.... I still chose it ove... CoolDogM 10/07/03
I think you are right Andrew from LI 10/07/03
The correct answer (100% sure) is strong disagreement.... bluebell 10/07/03
strong opposition ldoru 10/07/03
well chalk up another wrong answer for me....... CoolDogM 10/07/03
I put strong opposition. Pretty sure this is right. It did... dottie 10/07/03
Strong disagreement?... Voop 10/07/03
... bolkonski 10/07/03
Didn't the poems mentioned in the 2nd parragraph of the RC p... l-sizzel 10/07/03
That's what I put... bolkonski 10/07/03
Yes, I think only perhaps half of that paragraph dealt with ... nycactor 10/07/03
but, nycactor, the question was not about the 2nd paragraph ... ldoru 10/07/03
Well, you may be right, ldoru, but I am positive that there ... nycactor 10/07/03
Ditto. There was, indeed, a supportive critic at the begi... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
ok i remember that the wording of the critic answer choice j... ldoru 10/07/03
sorry i honestly think that was the sucker choice...... ldoru 10/07/03
It was. ... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
hey zara are you on im? if so, can you msg me? sn: Ldoru... ldoru 10/07/03
Yeah, critics' objections. ... dottie 10/07/03
So what about the third or fourth question in the LR section... CoolDogM 10/07/03
Weren't these seperate questions?... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
Does anyone remember the question about military buildup com... bolkonski 10/07/03
Yeah and I think the answer I put said just because somethin... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
What about it? Conclusion: prevent military build-up, ke... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
Was the answer written in kinda vauge terms? Something like ... bolkonski 10/07/03
Yeah, that's the one.... dottie 10/07/03
Was my answer relating to your assumption or did i get this ... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
I just remember the way my answer choice sounded. It could ... bolkonski 10/07/03
exactly ldoru 10/07/03
ldoru, what was the wording of your military buildup answer?... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
i'm sorry..i don't really remember the wording. ... ldoru 10/07/03
Easy question just checking iwantmyscore 10/07/03
I remember the answer that I picked saying something about t... Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
me too... The Invisible Hand XX 10/07/03
I put the choice that dealt with .... something like that th... CoolDogM 10/07/03
yup. it was about bristles getting worn out which affected t... ldoru 10/07/03
# of games Q's Tuxpan 10/07/03
the real section had 24 questions. How can you guys not f... The Invisible Hand XX 10/07/03
In the Victorian passage, does anyone remember b as an answe... iwantmyscore 10/07/03
steak restaurant question tia 10/07/03
I put something like they may be reducing their red meat int... bolkonski 10/07/03
Right. I think the answer choice was something to the effec... Kahlua Girl 10/07/03
Yup.... dottie 10/07/03
i think this was a weaken question. i remember the argument ... ldoru 10/07/03
oh one more thing tia 10/07/03
unemployment/inflation tia 10/07/03
In regards to the autism question, I dont believe it is ... new commenter.... reader before 10/07/03
Indeed. It does not destroy the conclusion. See my threa... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
other questions new commenter.... reader before 10/07/03
This is the last time I'll post about it, I promise. But I ... dottie 10/07/03
very much agreed tia 10/07/03
But who said that the answer choice only applied to kids wit... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
cullen new commenter.... reader before 10/07/03
I remember this one, but I don't remember exactly what I put... dottie 10/07/03
A test cannot be benifical. do you understand that. I know i... shinotenshi 10/07/03
exactly. The researchers KNOW the test has false positive... ronny 10/07/03
You need to read more carfully next time. The researchers on... shinotenshi 10/07/03
Dude, whatever. It doesn't really matter now. But don't ta... dottie 10/07/03
This kid a fucking moron. You'd be well-advised to ignore... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
name calling. please i work in a lab, not that you need to a... shinotenshi 10/07/03
Did you ever read the directions to the LSAT? Something a... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
none of your lab experience has anything to do with the lsat... Agalon 10/07/03
i think an answer choice was something about technology and ... tia 10/07/03
hehe. this is hilarious new commenter.... reader before 10/07/03
Few questions: Games #24 - Min distance? A: 2 African... Voop 10/07/03
Voop, we agree on all. Do you rememberthe two letters for... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
I believe the two letters were H and K. Then again, I am th... Voop 10/07/03
If you give me the answer choices, I will remember. I was p... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
F and G were the two that had to sit directly across from ea... nycactor 10/07/03
its not outside knowledge. this question comes up every time... shinotenshi 10/07/03
grouping game ldoru 10/07/03
I'm hoping the answer was 5, but I didn't have time to exhau... nycactor 10/07/03
I believe it was 4.... Voop 10/07/03
A NEW ARG QUESTION rolific* 10/07/03
Some graduate students are over-worked. I think choice (C).... .zarathustra. 10/07/03
i dont remember which was which but here's how it went: m... ldoru 10/07/03
Concerning the graduate, overworked, happy question. I be... Voop 10/07/03
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Date: October 06, 2003 05:15 PM
Author: inimp
also, does anyone remember the autistic children ?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5773286)
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Date: October 06, 2003 11:44 PM
Author: shinotenshi (cmyco@bellatlantic.net)
yes i rember that one. its a 2n question. the right asnwer is that the author assumes that those children that get the false positive arent hurt by the treatment.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5776316)
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Date: October 06, 2003 11:46 PM
Author: card02
no i think the right answer is the one that says that medication that gives false positives can still be beneficial
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5776334)
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Date: October 06, 2003 11:54 PM
Author: Voop
Yes, this is correct. The alternate answer might be important to consider, but is beyond the scope of the conclusion, which dealt only with genuinely autistic children.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5776432)
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Date: October 06, 2003 11:50 PM
Author: jdiddy62
The right answer was medication that gives false positives can still be beneficial.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5776406)
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Date: October 06, 2003 11:51 PM
Author: The Invisible Hand XX (caught masturbating during the Enron scandal but still #1)
agreed.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5776410)
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Date: October 06, 2003 11:56 PM
Author: Andrew from LI
Subject: replace medication with "test"
but yeah, I had the same answer as you guys, I'm pretty sure.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5776460)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:12 AM
Author: shinotenshi (cmyco@bellatlantic.net)
that answer choice says, test that give false positive can be benifical but im sorry that choice is incorrect.. the unstated premise that the argument depends on is that children arent who test falsely test positive arent hurt. the author would like all childeren to have this test, but this arguement can only work if the children who have false positve arent harmed. otherwise the entire arguement falls apart. if the tests results in some children being hurt and some being helped, how could he possible reccomend it for all children. remember there was no way to tell wether the test was false until after treatment. the whole point of the test was the early treatment. if the treatment hurts some children then the test is pointless and his entire arguement becomes mute. to put it another way, the test being benifcial even if you have false positives depends upon those false positives not being hurt by the treatment. the arguement is not about the test its about the to treating all babies who are postive after taking the test.i know people think these lr's were easy but they are wrong. thanks to testmasters ive seen every lr ever given on an actual exams, and these were the hardest sections ive seen on a single exam. the questions were very tricky.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777110)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:10 AM
Author: porkbun
can someone please just tell me the main conclusion of this autistic kid argument? like as closely as you can possibly remember.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777382)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:14 AM
Author: dottie
No, I'm 100% sure that that was not the correct answer. That was out of the scope of the argument. The conclusion dealt only with whether or not the test would help *autistic* children. The children with false positives are on their own.
EDIT: The answer, I just remembered, was the assumption that there was no test already developed that detected autism as early.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778000)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:30 AM
Author: madigana
I agree. If I remember correctly the stimulus said that there was a new way to diagnose autism at an ealy age and concluded that now children could be diagnosed earlier and have a better chance of successful treatmet. The stimulus said nothing of prior forms of diagnoses of that this new form allowed docs to diagnose children at a younger age that existing methods of diagnosis. I said the argument rested on the fact that there weren't exisitng forms of diagnosis that allowed docs to effectives detect autism early....
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778070)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:07 AM
Author: dottie
YES! THAT'S IT! Exactly. I was really starting to doubt myself, but that's it. Whew. Thanks.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778214)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:39 PM
Author: jeffspicoli
that's what I put, too
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5779346)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:14 AM
Author: Kahlua Girl
I agree with your statement that the argument deals with treatment after the test. However, I think that the correct answer is that false positives can yield beneficial treatment. If you negate that by saying that false positives cannot yield beneficial treatment, then the argument falls apart because the test is then useless, as the test results in false positives.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778003)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:19 AM
Author: dottie
The conclusion of the argument was about whether or not the test is beneficial to young children with autism. Its benefit is based on the fact that it detects it earlier. But if a test had already been developed that detected autism in children that young, then the new test is not in fact beneficial. It's all in the way they word the conclusion of the argument.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778018)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:26 AM
Author: Kahlua Girl
Hmmm. I bet you're right. My reasoning in ruling out the answer you picked was that even if there was another test that applied to children so young (e.g. negating the answer choice), the new test could still be beneficial in and of itself. That's why I went for the false positives answer. It seemed that if you negated it, the argument would then fall apart.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778054)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:56 PM
Author: rolific* (rolific@yahoo.co.uk)
I also picked the "earlier treatment" asnwer, for what it's worth. Definitely a very trickly question!
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5779454)
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Date: October 07, 2003 09:34 AM
Author: Bokemon58
the wording of that was something along the lines of can you make reasonable treatment decisions if you have false positives, or something close right?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777916)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:48 AM
Author: shinotenshi (cmyco@bellatlantic.net)
An even more simpler explanation, but its freakin trademarked, but trust me, its that the treatment doesnt cause harm to normal babies, you can show that the test being benifiacal is pretty irrelevant.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777263)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:51 AM
Author: Beareater2
i can't understand any of your above post. Which one was correct?
EDIT: nevermind
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777273)
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Date: October 07, 2003 09:29 AM
Author: ronny
That is what I put--are you sure it is correct?
What did you get for the wind/smog question?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777906)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:10 AM
Author: dottie
There's a whole other thread about the smog question. You can do a search. Basically, it was the set answer.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778223)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:20 PM
Author: Agalon
i put that tests that give false positives can still be effective. if tests that give false positives aren't effective, then the test is ineffective and will not benefit children from early diagnosis.
the answer was definately not 'there was no test that could detect autism this early before', because the question specifically qualifies the test as being an 'effective new test'. that means there could have been ineffective or less effective tests before this new test was released.
i have no idea what answer you actually put, but it is pretty clear that if you negate the false positive assumption the argument falls apart.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778468)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:46 PM
Author: Voop
This would, of course, be a primary consideration in real life. However, the conclusion of the argument dealt only with autistic children. Don't confuse what the argument said with what it should have said.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778601)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:06 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: perceptions and beliefs
does anyone remember this q? i think it was a parallel reasoning
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777346)
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Date: October 07, 2003 04:35 AM
Author: retrospection
yes, it was the 3rd to last q in the LR section. flawed reasoning. choice A was art. choice E was physics. i put e but not sure if that was right.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777819)
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Date: October 07, 2003 09:14 AM
Author: dottie
Subject: NUTRITION / VIOLENT TEEN QUESTION!
I just remembered this guy; he really pissed me off. I was trying to decide between --the other prisoners who didn't get more nutrients did not also become less violent and some other one. I picked the first. That's the right answer, right? Because if the prisoners who didn't change their diets also became less violent during those months, then there would have been a cause other than nutrients. Anyone remember?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777880)
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Date: October 07, 2003 09:18 AM
Author: Kahlua Girl
Subject: Agreed
I'm not sure if this was the right answer, but I picked the same one that you did because it strengthens the causal relationship that the stimulus was trying to get at by ruling out an alternate cause. (Thanks, Testmaster's!)
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777888)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:06 AM
Author: dottie
Yeah, thanks to Testmaster's from me, too.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777981)
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Date: October 07, 2003 09:15 AM
Author: Kahlua Girl
Subject: Anyone with only 2 LR sections?
Did you have the gray rabbits/suspected criminals question? In other words, was that question on an experimental section or on a real section?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777883)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:09 AM
Author: dottie
Oh, yeah, that was a real one. That was the very first LR question I got (my third section). What was that answer? I think I got the right one, but it was confusing (not the flaw, but how they worded the answer choices). I think I put that the relationship between being a gray rabbit and being a rabbit is not the same as the relationship between being a suspected criminal and being a criminal. Sounds right to me.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777989)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:18 AM
Author: Kahlua Girl
I chose that answer as well because a gray rabbit is still a rabbit, whereas a suspected criminal is not necessarily a criminal.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778011)
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Date: October 07, 2003 09:19 AM
Author: mrlucky
This is one confusing thread.
So was the answer to the medication question that treatments that sometimes yield inaccurate diagnoses can still be beneficial? That's what I put.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777891)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:08 AM
Author: Andrew from LI
I put that too, but the most recent poster said that's wrong.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5777983)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:19 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
Subject: autistic children
I could have sworn the final conclusion of this argument was talking about all autistic children not all children but could be wrong.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778016)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:55 AM
Author: nycactor
That's the closest to the real answer choice I've seen on this thread, and I'm almost positive it's correct. It is an assumption that is REQUIRED for the conclusion to be valid. If a test that sometimes results in a false positive cannot be beneficial, then the conclusion falls apart.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778179)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:12 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: yes! see my post below
i wish i could remember the wording better though..
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778226)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:17 AM
Author: dottie
The answer to the autism question was the assumption that there was no test already developed that detected autism as early. I'm sure of this.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778008)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:33 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: don't be so sure..
sorry dottie but negating that (there is an already existing test that detects autism as early) would by no means have broken down the argument. i really don't think thats the answer.
can someone please remember the other answer choices???
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778091)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:54 AM
Author: dottie
I don't remember details of this test too well, but I'm almost positive that there was something in the argument that specifically tied the benefit of the new test to the fact that it could detect autism so early and that the conclusion somehow made that correlation again, in a way that made it necessary.
I could be wrong though, of course.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778178)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:09 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: i just remembered!
ok so the conclusion was something along the lines of "So, this new method of early detection proves to be beneficial to all austic children" does that sound right? i know it definitely had to do w/ austic children and not all children. ok now i think that i did in fact but the test that produces false positives can result in beneficial treatment ..because if it is negated it would be "a test that produces false positives cannot result in beneficial treatment" and that would break down the conclusion that this new method of testing is beneficial to autistic children...
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778220)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:12 AM
Author: dottie
See Madigana's post above in the thread. She explains exactly what I was trying to say.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778228)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:18 PM
Author: bluebell
I put the same answer that you put. I am 100% sure that it is right.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5779198)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:34 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
Subject: answer to autism
Although I can't remember what I put for an answer, I don't think it was the answer relating to no test existing to detect autism as early. I think the argument was talking about a new test that is more accurate with detecting autism. They could have had earlier tests that tested positively but were not as accurate. Again, I'm having trouble remembering everything but I think this was my reasoning when I crossed that choice out.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778092)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:42 AM
Author: dottie
I don't think the benefit was that it was more accurate, it just detected it early (albeit accurately, at least for those who actually had it). Since it detected the disease early, they could start treatment early. That was the benefit.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778332)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:52 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: conclusion
i am pretty sure that the conclusion referred to autistic children as well, and i remember picking an answer choice that when negated, casted doubt on that conclusion but i honestly cannot remember which one it is. i dont think it was test that yields negative results one though..
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778162)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:48 PM
Author: Maui Jim
I cant remember all the answer choices but i put the same as dottie! it took me a while to understand that question
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778999)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:44 PM
Author: Voop
The answer was something like tests (not treatments...this is important) that sometimes yield inaccurate diagnoses can still be beneficial. The conclusion of the argument concerned only genuinely autistic children.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778584)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:28 AM
Author: anku
Dottie, why would that have been the answer? I am starting to feel really bad abt this test...ugh
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778063)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:51 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
Subject: rc
Anyone remember any of the rc questions?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778159)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:02 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: i do...
which passage? i remember quite a few..
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778202)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:18 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
Ldoru I'm actually drawing a blank on her name. Do you remember any questions on the passage about that woman?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778249)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:25 AM
Author: ldoru
woman? that must have been experimental. mexican photographer? i had that as experimental. to refresh, the real rc was copyright, cullens, renewable energy sources, and victorian philanthropy
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778272)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:40 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
I only had the real rc. For the cullens one, which ones can you recall? My memory is hazy on this one.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778324)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:39 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: ok i've got some for ya..
on the copyright passage.. main point. i think i put c, which summarized the result of the trial and not d, which said something like and it will discourage publishers from pursuing legal cases (which was not discussed in the passage)
which one is most analogous to a prof making coursepacks? choir director taking segments of songs of other choir and making a compilation tape.
on the cullens passage..which one of the following most represents his ideas on form? writing a poem within a particular form relating to death
what is the purpose of the specific references to his poems in the 2nd paragraph? i put that something like that it detailed the scope of racial themes in his poems.
which one of the following is the organization of the passage i think i put e, one that didnt start with "giving biographical data"
on the victorian philanthropy passage what do the two modern theories have in common? i think i may have put that they look at victorian philanthropists in a negative light
what was the organization of the passage, last one on rc
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778316)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:45 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
Hey thanks.
"what is the purpose of the specific references to his poems in the 2nd paragraph? i put that something like that it detailed the scope of racial themes in his poems"
For this one above, Did the answer or passage for this one use the word range?
Also I didn't get to the philanthropy one but do you remember the letter b for any answers?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778346)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:46 AM
Author: nycactor
Ldoru, regarding the question in the Countee Cullen section that asked about the reference to particular poems in the second paragraph, I think I put a different answer than yours, although I found the choice you made seductive. I'm hoping the right answer had to do with providing specific examples relating to the various points of view of the critics referenced in the paragraph. I can't remember the exact wording at all, and I'm not sure I'm right.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778349)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:52 AM
Author: ldoru
i found the one you chose seductive as well but in the end decided that it wasn't the purpose of the specific reference to the poems. i think it said something like to affirm the critics' claims or something..
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778375)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:58 AM
Author: Kahlua Girl
I picked the answer that nycactor picked because in that paragraph it talked about what the critics had to say and the poems mentioned were examples of what the critics saw as flaws in Cullen's work.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778398)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:34 PM
Author: ldoru
i could very well stand corrected because i read through that passage fairly quickly, but i think there were three groups of theorists: the older theory, which is the one you outlined, and the two modern theories, the control theorists and the people who assumed that the state was necessarily the major source of philanthropy. i also specifically remember that the question asked what the two *modern* theories had in common..
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778527)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:24 PM
Author: Agalon
regarding the victorian philanthropy passage, i didn't think that the first theory regarded victorian philanthropists themselves in a negative light. the first theory generally thought that they were well intentioned, but that their actions had unintended consequeences that were negative.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778484)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:37 PM
Author: ldoru
Subject: oops..meant to post this here
i could very well stand corrected because i read through that passage fairly quickly, but i think there were three groups of theorists: the older theory, which is the one you outlined, and the two modern theories, the control theorists and the people who assumed that the state was necessarily the major source of philanthropy. i also specifically remember that the question asked what the two *modern* theories had in common..
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778540)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:57 AM
Author: dottie
I don't know; now I'm starting to doubt myself.
EDIT: No, I don't doubt myself anymore. See Madigana's explanation above. She explained it very well.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778187)
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Date: October 07, 2003 10:53 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
We need someone with a photographic memory.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778173)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:17 AM
Author: mrlucky
There were only 2 RC ?s that gave me trouble, and I can recall only one of them. It was in the passage about renewable energy sources, and it was the last question (I think) which asked something like which of the following would cast doubt on the claims made by the Dutch company.
I put "the Dutch comp. invested more in the India project than the U.S. company did in the Brazil project."
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778246)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:22 AM
Author: nycactor
I think I remember choosing an answer saying that the government of India was heavily subsidizing the program on a temporary basis, an answer which calls into question the claim that the Dutch program will be successful on a long-term basis.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778260)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:24 AM
Author: iwantmyscore
nycactor, I put that also.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778267)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:37 AM
Author: dottie
That's right.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778312)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:23 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: sorry..
but i'm fairly positive that the answer to that one was about the indian government subsidizing the project and therefore it was able to make a profit. the argument was that a profitable renewable energy source could be developed, as in the danish case (not dutch), and could most likely remain so in the long run. if, however, the project required government funding to do so it casts doubts on its long term sustainability
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778266)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:49 AM
Author: mrlucky
shit. not what i needed to hear. maybe i need to revisit the cancellation possbility. *sigh*
i thought that was a hard question. i had it narrowed down to the one i put and the correct one. but, as %^&*ing usual, i put the wrong one. my rationale was if the Dutch pumped in lots of money, then there's less local initiative being taken as opposed to brazil.
i have to stay off this board b/c every one of the questions that gets discussed depresses me more and more
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778362)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:59 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: ok let's remember something here..
you can get *two* questions wrong and still get a 180! plus, the questions we tend to remember are those that we had trouble with, so most of the questions discussed on the board were the harder ones on the test. just because you got one question wrong doesn't mean you should cancel. don't forget all those questions you potentially got right that we aren't even bothering to discuss!
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778403)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:42 PM
Author: mrlucky
thanks but i'm already well into the double digits on misses.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778573)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:15 AM
Author: washdc (janee_andersen@hotmail.com)
Subject: which game was experimental?
I had two games...one experimental. If you only had one game, what were your problems? Did you have one with a circle?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778235)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:39 AM
Author: dottie
Yeah. I only had one games section (my first). It was: dresses, committees, songs, and the picnic table.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778315)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:47 AM
Author: CoolDogM
Subject: ...
Do you guys remember the question about the philanthopy passage regarding the author's opinion? (At least I think it was that passage) Anyways, the I remember the first choice being something like "strong opposition" and the second choice being something like "cautious skepticism" and I think I ruled out the other three so I don't remember them, but I put B, the one about skepticism because A seemed too strong. Anyone remember this question more in detail?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778357)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:51 AM
Author: nycactor
If I'm not getting mixed up, wasn't it "cynical skepticism," instead of "cautious skepticism?" I thought the use of the word cynical was a little extreme, so I chose the strong disagreement answer (though I have to admit, I'd have been more comfortable with a cautious skepticism answer choice).
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778371)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:53 AM
Author: CoolDogM
cynical skepticism does ring a bell.... I still chose it over A however because it seemed the lesser of two extremes, I wasn't sure though
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778377)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:54 AM
Author: Andrew from LI
Subject: I think you are right
I am 97% sure the correct answer was "strong disagreement", as the author was not just skeptical of the Whig argument/theory, he strongly disagreed with it.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778385)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:21 PM
Author: bluebell
The correct answer (100% sure) is strong disagreement.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5779215)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:56 AM
Author: ldoru
Subject: strong opposition
the author's point was to refute the assumption that the state must necessarily the provider of philanthropy (welfare state type theory) so i was pretty comfortable w/ the strong opposition one
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778390)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:58 AM
Author: CoolDogM
well chalk up another wrong answer for me....
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778399)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:26 PM
Author: dottie
I put strong opposition. Pretty sure this is right. It did seem a bit too strong, but overall accurate, and all the others could be eliminated.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778845)
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Date: October 07, 2003 02:37 PM
Author: Voop
Strong disagreement?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5779330)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:00 PM
Author: bolkonski
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778408)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:56 AM
Author: l-sizzel
Didn't the poems mentioned in the 2nd parragraph of the RC passage discribe critics objections to the poet. rather than provide example of the scope of racial themes?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778391)
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Date: October 07, 2003 11:57 AM
Author: bolkonski
That's what I put
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778396)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:03 PM
Author: nycactor
Yes, I think only perhaps half of that paragraph dealt with Cullen's dealing with racial themes...the first part of the paragraph dealt with how he was adept at using the European style...something about the mood of a Romantic English poem? and an example was referenced that dealt with that idea, as opposed to racial issues. That's why I think the "scope of racial issues in Cullen's poetry" choice was wrong.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778418)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:08 PM
Author: ldoru
but, nycactor, the question was not about the 2nd paragraph itself, it was about the specific references to the poems in the 2nd paragraph! they all dealt with racial themes as did the criticism of his work. i remember finding something in the passage that alluded to his describing the scope to which he incorporated this theme.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778433)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:14 PM
Author: nycactor
Well, you may be right, ldoru, but I am positive that there was a supportive critic at the top of the paragraph that liked cullen's use of the European style, and there was definitely a poem referenced that was an example of that. That poem may or may not, I don't remember, have dealt with race thematically, but regardless, that was not the reason the poem was cited as an example. So I still think (but could be wrong) that the "scope of racial issues" answer was a red herring.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778456)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:45 PM
Author: .zarathustra.
Ditto.
There was, indeed, a supportive critic at the beginning of that paragraph.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778597)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:24 PM
Author: ldoru
ok i remember that the wording of the critic answer choice just didn't seem to fit. i think it said something like "in order to further the claims of the critics" if that were the case, he didn't use the specific poem reference to further the claims of the critics. i think that is what made it wrong to me. i'm not denying the poem references had some relation to his response to the critics, though.
oh and i'm fairly positive all the poems referred to had racial themes. at the end of the paragraph he also quoted cullens or something about the use of racial themes in his poetry. then in the last paragraph he said that while he shifted more towards relgious themes, he had not fully abandoned the use of raced-related themes in his poetry.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778486)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:05 PM
Author: ldoru
sorry i honestly think that was the sucker choice...
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778423)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:41 PM
Author: .zarathustra.
It was.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778570)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:48 PM
Author: ldoru
hey zara are you on im? if so, can you msg me? sn: Ldoru
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778613)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:27 PM
Author: dottie
Yeah, critics' objections.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778857)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:00 PM
Author: CoolDogM
So what about the third or fourth question in the LR section that started with the rabbits and criminals. The one with treatment X causes disease Y or something of that nature. I just remember putting that the argument had not established a conclusion between X and Y. Thoughts?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778407)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:14 PM
Author: iwantmyscore
Weren't these seperate questions?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778458)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:09 PM
Author: bolkonski
Does anyone remember the question about military buildup coming before wars?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778437)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:13 PM
Author: iwantmyscore
Yeah and I think the answer I put said just because something has happened in a few instances in the past does not mean it will happen again
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778449)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:14 PM
Author: .zarathustra.
What about it?
Conclusion: prevent military build-up, keep the peace.
Assumption: military build-ups are the only things that could cause wars.
I hope this helps.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778454)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:17 PM
Author: bolkonski
Was the answer written in kinda vauge terms? Something like an event preceeding and occurance
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778463)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:31 PM
Author: dottie
Yeah, that's the one.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778891)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:19 PM
Author: iwantmyscore
Was my answer relating to your assumption or did i get this wrong?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778466)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:21 PM
Author: bolkonski
I just remember the way my answer choice sounded. It could have pointed out the assumption.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778474)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:20 PM
Author: ldoru
Subject: exactly
it was the contrapositive of the incorrect reversal...
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778470)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:23 PM
Author: iwantmyscore
ldoru, what was the wording of your military buildup answer? Was it the one we are mentioning?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778480)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:35 PM
Author: ldoru
i'm sorry..i don't really remember the wording.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778531)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:21 PM
Author: iwantmyscore
Subject: Easy question just checking
For the toothbrush study, I answered this question when I started freaking out in the args section. Was the answer that the third group only brushed 1/day?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778473)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:24 PM
Author: Kahlua Girl
I remember the answer that I picked saying something about the hardness of the toothbrush bristles.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778482)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:37 PM
Author: The Invisible Hand XX (caught masturbating during the Enron scandal but still #1)
me too
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778541)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:25 PM
Author: CoolDogM
I put the choice that dealt with .... something like that the bristles on the brush break down after a month (or something like that) because that would explain why plaque levels would be higher in the groups that got one toothbrush, or the group that had the same brush, but it was just sterilized each month.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778491)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:27 PM
Author: ldoru
yup. it was about bristles getting worn out which affected the effectiveness of toothbrushes even if they were sterilzed once a month.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778495)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:29 PM
Author: Tuxpan
Subject: # of games Q's
On Oct test how many questions were there in the Games section? And how many for each of the games?
I do believe there were seven for the first/hangers game?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778503)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:39 PM
Author: The Invisible Hand XX (caught masturbating during the Enron scandal but still #1)
the real section had 24 questions.
How can you guys not figure this out? If the 22-question games counted, the test would have had only 99 questions.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778552)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:38 PM
Author: iwantmyscore
In the Victorian passage, does anyone remember b as an answer since I never got to this passage?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778546)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:52 PM
Author: tia
Subject: steak restaurant question
something about decrease in beef consumption but increase in steak restaurants. conclusion was that people r ignoring dr. recommendations. flaw in reasoning ? maybe... answers?
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778638)
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Date: October 07, 2003 12:54 PM
Author: bolkonski
I put something like they may be reducing their red meat intake while still eating at steak restaurants.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778658)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:09 PM
Author: Kahlua Girl
Right. I think the answer choice was something to the effect of: It ignores the possibility that people may be following the strict dietary recommendations at home.
(http://discuss.princetonreview.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=6&Message_ID=5778749)
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Date: October 07, 2003 01:34 PM
Author: dottie
Yup.
(http://discuss.princetonreview
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=944630&forum_id=2#11059687)