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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Pale Menage
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Disturbing mexican
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Pale Menage
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Disturbing mexican
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Disturbing mexican
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
frum library ape
  04/05/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Pale Menage
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Pale Menage
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Pale Menage
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
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Racist Redneck from Alabama
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Curious Haunting Stage
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
cerise patrolman
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
black harsh kitty cat
  04/05/26
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flirting cerebral native organic girlfriend
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
Dun Bat Shit Crazy Karate Area
  04/05/26
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Curious Haunting Stage
  04/05/26
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Hilarious house striped hyena
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
Bearded business firm
  04/05/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
outnumbered bipolar dilemma
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
spectacular brindle box office mad-dog skullcap
  04/06/26
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black harsh kitty cat
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
flirting cerebral native organic girlfriend
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
spectacular brindle box office mad-dog skullcap
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
flirting cerebral native organic girlfriend
  04/07/26
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Yichudim
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
Yichudim
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
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No Goog
tokens in abundance
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Pale Menage

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796397)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Disturbing mexican

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796399)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Pale Menage

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Disturbing mexican

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Disturbing mexican

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: frum library ape

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796451)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Pale Menage

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Pale Menage

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Pale Menage

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Racist Redneck from Alabama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49914293)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Curious Haunting Stage

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: cerise patrolman

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: flirting cerebral native organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49797805)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Dun Bat Shit Crazy Karate Area

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Curious Haunting Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796561)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Hilarious house striped hyena



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Bearded business firm

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796569)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: outnumbered bipolar dilemma

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: spectacular brindle box office mad-dog skullcap

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: black harsh kitty cat



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: flirting cerebral native organic girlfriend

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: spectacular brindle box office mad-dog skullcap

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: flirting cerebral native organic girlfriend

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: Yichudim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49914271)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: Yichudim

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: tokens in abundance
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2)#49914292)