Like most Shah supporters she is probably concern threading about "the Iranian people" broadly now that her and all the diaspora trash were thoroughly exposed and embarrassed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801546)

Hopefully Iranians will wake up from this embarrassing movement soon. Some are already regretting it

For now, I stay far away from any Pahlavi supporting pro-war friends and I may never be friends with the diehard extreme ones again. I do, however, frequently mock them online because it’s 180 and hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801580)

There wasn’t a singe prominent IRI supporter or even a nuanced voice among the diaspora, they were all peddling lies and I think a lot of it was due to seeing themselves as Aryan and non-Muslim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801672)

So how much more does the IR hate its own people by massacring them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801826)

At that point they are traitors. What is the punishment for treason in this enlightened morally superior country, let us know!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49802509)

It was both very sad and sobering for me to witness all this in the run up to this war

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801712)

ultimately the onus is on men to push to consensus to where it should be. women will conform to it no matter what. no sense wringing our hands that women are women. they always will be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801730)

In the particular case of the propaganda around the Iran protestors, I do believe women were more susceptible to brainwashing because it played on their compassion, as you pointed out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801762)

i agree that this consensus alignment is often rooted in compassion. and you seem to agree that women are innately more susceptible to this, so you agree that women, generally, think differently than men. you can add an asterisk to any generalization i make saying "not ALL X group!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801840)

(And don't worry, I didn't interpret your generalization as an assertion about ALL women or men.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801872)

you're also right that men tend to be more kneejerk contrarian. consuela types who have have a conspiratorial take on everything are almost exclusively men.

but i will say that women tend to much less receptive to views outside the consensus than men. consensus aligned men are much more likely to hear someone out and explain why they disagree, while women are much more likely to get NPC madface over someone with a divergent perspective. and then strawman their POV as rooted in something uncompassionate like bigotry.

stereotypes about women being more emotional exist across all cultures since the beginning of time for a reason. however, i think this is necessary to counterbalance masuline autism. we need both. but it falls on turboaustic men to shift the consensus. some amy wax women can participate too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801929)

One area I can think of where the compassion-ruled thinking has led women away from the mainstream narrative, while men tend to eat up the propaganda, is Gaza. For over two years, I've been pretty involved with pro-Palestine movements focused on overthrowing the system (Israel-and-MIC-owned uniparty) rather than working within it. My experience is that this coalition leans female if anything. Maybe it's 50/50. And considering how much of my political involvement right now revolves around rejecting the entire political establishment and how often I look at the world like, "how are these sheeple still so committed to Team Blue or Team Red?!" I naturally consider MY beliefs – and those of the female-leaning groups I align myself with – to be a shining example of independent thinking 😉

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801965)

but another aspect is how firmly rooted those convictions are and how often they are backed up with action. while women might gripe about issues, men are much more likely to go tankman and die for those convictions than women. joan of arc is a notable figure because of how rare it was for a woman to fight and be martyred for her beliefs. you see this across the spectrum of issues. while women might be opposed, they tend to remain civil, which is conformity. i think that instinct (likely biological and rooted in preservation of family) means women do not feel they are permitted to dissent, and are more likely to conform publicly and bitch about shit privately when its safe. men being physically stronger than women and having more political agency historically also probably plays into it.

but your point about men being more groupthinky when it comes to war, order, etc is true. men are far more likely to sign up to die to enrich elites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49802043)

I guess my primary definition of nonconformity ITT is just: thinking things through instead of blindly copying the people around you. And my instinct is that I've seen women do that more than men. But it's close, and it totally depends on the issue, so I'm not saying you're wrong if you've observed the opposite. And your point and luiskandarnameh's about what people will DO about a belief – will they risk personal harm by fighting for it? will they admit to it in a social situation? – are important aspects of conformity/nonconformity that I hadn't considered.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49802081)

how many female friends do you have who would eg openly admit to voting for trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801967)

I have two male friends who I know voted for Trump one or more times and both are POASTERS. AFAIK they'd be happy to admit it in large groups, too.

And I have one female and one male friend who voted third-party, while we're tracking that metric.

But obviously I don't know how many secret Trump voters I know, so I can't answer your question about how many people voted for Trump and keep it on the DL to conform.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49802023)

Her parents and siblings are still in Iran and I heard them talking about the ayatollah getting taken out and they were legit ecstatic

You’re welcome to hate the war and Trump and I’m not pro war but the IR is Stone Age and repulsive

She’s also not pro shah but sees him as the only credible transitional figure. But she thinks the Westwood people who actually want a real monarchy are idiots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801814)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854716&forum_id=2)#49801986)