\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
gold aromatic parlour gunner
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
brilliant mad cow disease whorehouse
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
gold aromatic parlour gunner
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
brilliant mad cow disease whorehouse
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
brilliant mad cow disease whorehouse
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
Drunken Trailer Park
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
Impressive High-end Set Electric Furnace
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
gold aromatic parlour gunner
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
gold aromatic parlour gunner
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
gold aromatic parlour gunner
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
...
metal national
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Vigorous coral mental disorder
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
Nofapping orange depressive institution
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/05/26
...
Electric unholy reading party
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
cerebral cruise ship friendly grandma
  04/05/26
...
Vigorous coral mental disorder
  04/05/26
...
self-absorbed light abode
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
histrionic spruce point son of senegal
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
razzle nighttime cuckoldry
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
Thirsty chest-beating casino
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
big cumskin
  04/06/26
...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Electric unholy reading party
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
big cumskin
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Electric unholy reading party
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
razzle nighttime cuckoldry
  06/04/26
...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
At-the-ready Hell
  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
At-the-ready Hell
  06/04/26
No Goog
cowardly clear persian
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
Impressive High-end Set Electric Furnace
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
At-the-ready Hell
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
Seedy Cracking Site Karate
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
At-the-ready Hell
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
Seedy Cracking Site Karate
  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
At-the-ready Hell
  06/04/26
...
judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot
  06/04/26


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796394)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: gold aromatic parlour gunner

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796396)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796397)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: brilliant mad cow disease whorehouse

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796399)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796405)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: gold aromatic parlour gunner

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796411)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796419)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: brilliant mad cow disease whorehouse

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796426)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796432)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: brilliant mad cow disease whorehouse

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796436)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796437)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: Drunken Trailer Park

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796451)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Impressive High-end Set Electric Furnace

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914410)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: gold aromatic parlour gunner

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796401)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796407)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: gold aromatic parlour gunner

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796409)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796413)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: gold aromatic parlour gunner

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796417)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796421)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: metal national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914293)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Vigorous coral mental disorder

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796444)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Nofapping orange depressive institution

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796446)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796448)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Electric unholy reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49797805)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: cerebral cruise ship friendly grandma

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796514)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Vigorous coral mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796561)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: self-absorbed light abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49799608)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: histrionic spruce point son of senegal

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796569)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: razzle nighttime cuckoldry

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914343)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Thirsty chest-beating casino

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49796577)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: big cumskin

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49797104)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49797818)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Electric unholy reading party

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49797984)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: big cumskin

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49798932)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Electric unholy reading party

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49799605)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: razzle nighttime cuckoldry

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914344)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914271)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: At-the-ready Hell

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914284)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914286)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: At-the-ready Hell

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914287)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: cowardly clear persian
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914292)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Impressive High-end Set Electric Furnace

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914413)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: At-the-ready Hell

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914415)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: Seedy Cracking Site Karate

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914393)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: At-the-ready Hell

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49914414)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Seedy Cracking Site Karate

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49915360)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: At-the-ready Hell

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49915788)



Reply Favorite

Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: judgmental shaky pisswyrm coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2).#49915541)