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| Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad | 06/30/26 |
| Ricky | 06/30/26 |
| Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad | 06/30/26 |
| Ricky | 06/30/26 |
| Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad | 06/30/26 |
| total lawyer genocide | 06/30/26 |
| Ricky | 06/30/26 |
| Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad | 06/30/26 |
| Richard Ames | 06/30/26 |
| Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad | 06/30/26 |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 8:10 AM Author: Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad Sole owner of a business
Annual income of $1 million+
Seems like most guys in this income range are part of a partnership, have stock options in a corporation, etc. Seems like the combination of high income and total business ondependence is pretty rare. |
Date: June 30th, 2026 8:24 AM Author: Ricky its very difficult to have high cash flow/self-employed salary vs actual enterprise value you can truly borrow against
you have to pick one or the other most of the time |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 9:17 AM Author: Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad ? Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878531&forum_id=2,5#49970801) |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 9:21 AM Author: Ricky You have hit on one of the most frustrating, fundamental truths of business architecture: cash flow and enterprise value (EV) are driven by entirely different financial engines. In fact, optimizing a business for a massive self-employed salary often actively destroys its enterprise value.Here is why you almost always have to pick a lane, and why banks look at them through completely different lenses.1. The Operational Trap: "You" vs. "The System"To build true Enterprise Value—the kind a private equity firm buys or a bank treats as hard collateral—the business must be a turnkey machine that operates independently of its owner.The Self-Employed/High-Salary Model: The business's primary asset is your talent, oversight, or reputation. If you take a month off, revenue tanks. Because the owner is the engine, a buyer or lender sees immense operational risk. If you leave, the value leaves.The Enterprise Value Model: Capital is reinvested into building systems, hiring a management layer, and securing proprietary technology or long-term contracts.The Reality: To a bank or investor, if a business can't run without you, it isn't an enterprise; it's a high-paying job you happen to own. You cannot easily borrow against a job.2. The Accounting Tug-of-WarHow you handle the bottom line determines which game you are playing. Enterprise value is typically calculated as a multiple of EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization).Here is how the two paths conflict on a financial statement:Path A: High Cash Flow / Self-Employed SalaryThe Goal: Maximize personal liquidity today.The Mechanism: You extract as much cash as possible via high salary, distributions, or running personal-shifting expenses through the business to minimize your tax burden.The Consequence: This suppresses the company's net income and stated EBITDA. When you show a lender a balance sheet with stripped-out earnings, the business looks small and unprofitable on paper, drastically reducing its borrowable enterprise value.Path B: High Enterprise ValueThe Goal: Maximize the theoretical worth of the corporate entity.The Mechanism: You keep your personal salary modest (or at a market-rate baseline). Every spare dollar is reinvested back into the company's growth, infrastructure, and balance sheet strength.The Consequence: Stated EBITDA stays high, the balance sheet looks robust, and the business shows institutional health. Lenders and asset-backed creditors can comfortably underwrite loans against this predictable, institutional machinery.3. How Banks View the Two ModelsWhen you go to a bank to leverage your success, they separate these into two entirely different loan products with very different ceilings:FeatureHigh Cash Flow / Self-EmployedStated Enterprise ValueWhat the Bank Looks AtYour personal tax returns (W-2, 1040, K-1).Audited corporate financial statements, recurring revenue, and EBITDA.Borrowing MechanismPersonal lines of credit, mortgages, or cash-flow loans based on debt-to-income (DTI) ratios.Corporate debt, asset-backed lending (ABL), or revolving lines based on accounts receivable/inventory.The CeilingLow. Limited by standard personal debt capacity and strict banking regulations on personal income.High. Scale is uncapped; if the enterprise has $5M in predictable EBITDA, it can often leverage millions in senior debt.Can you bridge the gap?It is incredibly difficult to do both simultaneously because they compete for the exact same dollar. That dollar either goes into your personal bank account today as cash flow, or stays in the business to build transferable, bankable asset value for tomorrow.Most founders have to make a conscious choice: Do you want a lifestyle business that funds an exceptional day-to-day reality right now, or an institutional asset that you can leverage as a financial instrument? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878531&forum_id=2,5#49970805) |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 9:34 AM Author: Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad OK, how many guys are the single owner of a business that mostly runs itself and makes $1 million+ per year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878531&forum_id=2,5#49970819) |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 9:35 AM Author: total lawyer genocide (🧐) millions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878531&forum_id=2,5#49970820) |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 9:38 AM Author: Ricky take home net profit or gross aggregte rev?
tons of biz make mils in rev lik ecom and owner is broke af
"In the United States, there are approximately 30 million non-employer businesses. The vast majority (nearly 80%) generate less than $50,000 in annual revenue. The "$1 Million+ Club" is extremely small. Data indicates that approximately 0.2% to 3.6% of non-employer firms reach or exceed $1 million in annual revenue. Using the conservative 0.2% estimate against 30 million businesses, there are roughly 60,000 businesses in the U.S. that operate without employees while generating $1 million or more in annual revenue. If you include those using significant contractor leverage (which often still falls under non-employer tax filings), the number likely sits in the low-to-mid five figures." |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 1:24 PM Author: Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad What are you, a Redditard? $1 million+ in EBITDA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878531&forum_id=2,5#49971376) |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 9:53 AM Author: Richard Ames Very unusual to have that level of income when you are sole owner of a business that is “hands off.” But it is less rare for someone to run a business that they own 100% and operate actively to make serious cash. It is still rare because $1m is a lot of money to bring in outside of a partnership of some sort (or exec level jobs at larger companies.)
Typically you’re looking at highly skilled specialist “consultants” for lack of a better word. At least when it comes to that level of take home cash.
Exceptions exist, but IMO many of them involve people who spent years building a business such that it has an infrastructure that allows it to run without them. And even then, it’s likely that senior managers who work for them have some sort of incentive comp.
A more “typical” case would be a family owned business that has been around for decades and has some sort of moat that allows it to exist, generate meaningful cash flow, and put serious money in its owner’s pocket. Like a random widget maker in Kansas making $7m EBITDA that hasn’t sold to PE or some shit. |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 2:18 PM Author: Loser taking notes from Scumbag Chad It's definitely complicated. The freedom makes it all worthwhile. At the same time, being the solely financially responsible party can bring crushing stress. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878531&forum_id=2,5#49971439) |