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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Twisted peach shrine
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Bateful dilemma
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Twisted peach shrine
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Bateful dilemma
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Bateful dilemma
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
deranged sapphire giraffe
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
Charismatic Prole Stock Car
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Twisted peach shrine
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Twisted peach shrine
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Twisted peach shrine
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
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Boyish Keepsake Machete
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
unhinged stage
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
Haunting heaven goal in life
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/05/26
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Contagious obsidian national selfie
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
cerebral lay
  04/05/26
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unhinged stage
  04/05/26
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coral arrogant azn
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
glittery pink fortuitous meteor locale
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
beady-eyed pearl nibblets crackhouse
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
Ocher seedy principal's office philosopher-king
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
Crystalline wonderful library
  04/06/26
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tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Contagious obsidian national selfie
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
Crystalline wonderful library
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Contagious obsidian national selfie
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
beady-eyed pearl nibblets crackhouse
  06/04/26
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tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
Brass senate candlestick maker
  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
Brass senate candlestick maker
  06/04/26
No Goog
grizzly abode
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
Charismatic Prole Stock Car
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
Brass senate candlestick maker
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
Swashbuckling Native
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
Brass senate candlestick maker
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
Swashbuckling Native
  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
Brass senate candlestick maker
  06/04/26
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tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Twisted peach shrine

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796397)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Bateful dilemma

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796399)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Twisted peach shrine

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Bateful dilemma

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Bateful dilemma

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: deranged sapphire giraffe

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796451)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Charismatic Prole Stock Car

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Twisted peach shrine

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Twisted peach shrine

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Twisted peach shrine

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Boyish Keepsake Machete



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: unhinged stage

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Haunting heaven goal in life

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Contagious obsidian national selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797805)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: cerebral lay

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: unhinged stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796561)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: coral arrogant azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49799608)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: glittery pink fortuitous meteor locale

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: beady-eyed pearl nibblets crackhouse

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914343)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Ocher seedy principal's office philosopher-king

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: Crystalline wonderful library

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797818)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Contagious obsidian national selfie

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Crystalline wonderful library

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Contagious obsidian national selfie

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: beady-eyed pearl nibblets crackhouse

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914344)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914271)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: Brass senate candlestick maker

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: Brass senate candlestick maker

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: grizzly abode
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914292)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Charismatic Prole Stock Car

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: Brass senate candlestick maker

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: Swashbuckling Native

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Brass senate candlestick maker

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Native

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49915360)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: Brass senate candlestick maker

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49915788)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: tantric cruel-hearted corner indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49915541)