Portugese and Spanish just bouncing after plundering the resources and furking all the natives?

Drugs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965171)

Have you read any Bolano, bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965184)

Start off with By Night in Chile.

Everything the man wrote was genius in spite of his weird obsession with porno and furking everyone all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965187)

they were the descendants of the reconquista warriors escaping desperate rural poverty. they were completely insane and gold thirsty savages. read the new world stories and ask yourself what kind of total fucking lunatic it would take to go into mexico and peru and conquer them with a couple hundred men. no rational person ever would have attempted it, but somehow it worked out and then they fucked a bunch of savage indians and made the mestizos we know and love today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966295)

What about the fuckers who came in during the immigration waves? Similarly violent?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966394)

however, some of the most peaceable regions are areas like southern mexico, which are quite heavily native. bolivia, despite being an impoverished shithole, is only KIND OF violent in its native regions. alcohol clearly makes things worse for natives, as seen in parts of peru where crime is broadly unknown during the working hours, but suddenly surges at night when the bars are busy.

furthermore, how is it that a country like el salvador had a murder rate of 112 per 100,000 in the mid-2010's (one of the highest ever formally reported to the UN by a nation-state outside of a war), but collapsed below 2 within a decade?

a generic formula would be something like this: latinx criminality is a function of racial admixture plus certain 'trigger' factors which become active within, specifically, the amerind/mesoamerican portion of that admixture.

meaning that mesoamericans are capable of both relative peace and extraordinary (and sustained) violence. they are zealots for their particular cacique (chieftan). if the chieftan tells them to go to war, they will go completely apeshit berserk.

the role of cacique can be occupied by any sufficiently willful and stern-handed power. this includes colonists, local warlords/gang leaders, or national leaders, depending upon the circumstances. mesoamericans evolved under the whip-hand. they are probably temperamentally similar to the ancient egyptians.

note that cuba's admixture is mostly african, but it manages to keep crime under control through a forceful state which can inflict rapid punishments which frighten africans, specifically, into compliance.

this also explains to some degree why ecuador's anti-crime program has not been as successful as that of el salvador - once bukele became the ultimate cacique, the other salvadorans fell in line quickly. el salvador is probably around 75-80% mesoamerican and 5% african. ecuador is much less amerind and much more african, which changes the equation. honduras is similar in this respect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965186)

Did US destablisation of central america basically furk over all those countries?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965188)

they need strong men at the top with dictator-level powers over the specific realm of criminal policy. that's how they would get pacified in theory.

to the extent that the US or western nations threaten sanctions for leaders not allowing shitlib 'judges' to run the judiciary, it only makes crime worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965190)

part of the reason brazil became so much more violent after the 1970's was due to ruralized/small-towner populations of african/native/mixed people moving to the hillsides around major cities like rio and sao paulo and creating slums that post-dictatorship shitlib governments had no means of managing.

wokeness as a soft-on-crime/hands-off policy toward criminals goes back quite a long ways in some places. it wasn't really a philosophical wokeness in the sense of modern prison abolitionist retards who cite 'studies,' but more of a combination of neglect and political convenience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965192)

What do you think of the leftist sympathies in the 1970s and shit, misplaced hope, or a genuine direction for lost countries?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965193)

the soviet push in the 60's/70's to install moscow-friendly leaders was mostly doomed. it had success in cuba and nicaragua, but everything else sputtered out, often in absurd or destructive fashion, like the annoying hemorrhoids of violence represented by the colombian militias. el salvador itself took around 100K KIA in population of 4.8 million during its civil war. to no particular end aside from a UN-monitored peace accord which included shitlib 'judiciary reforms' which crippled the state's capacity to kill gangbangers.

a fundamental problem is that reformist/anti-regime elements ended up recruiting from the criminal classes. venezuela got wrecked by this kind of coalition. chavez's clients included the gangs in the hills around caracas, and his government was never able or willing to restrain them. the hit to venezuela's GDP was enormous over time. truckers could not reliably deliver food from rural farms to the cities without fear of being roadblocked and hijacked.

and this ties back into the overall racial component, since you need a firm hand against crime and criminality to keep these kind of societies functional. fidel castro, bless his heart, managed to avoid this problem by recruiting a lot of disaffected zealots who were both outside of the criminal classes and who had been alienated by the havana regime. he did not have to pull a hugo chavez and let criminals run the show.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965196)

He this is very good clarity.

Sounds like a lot of failed policies/failed politicians at the top.

interesting that Castro is viewed as the best leader of the bunch. Makes sense though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965199)

this goes back to the spanish colonial era. even though spain claimed california, spaniards never even knew about a gigantic mega-feature like mt. shasta, because they never sent exploration teams, because they didn't fucking care. some catholics built missions along the coast, and that was that.

independent mexico inherited all of these tendencies. mexico did not have surveys of its own claimed land. foreign settlers from the eastern US got into mexican land before mexican authorities ever did, with quite a lot of eventual consequences.

when modern cartels got going in the 1960's/1970's, the central government barely cared. this was NOT a 'shitlib' government in any traditional sense; it outright massacred uppity students near the imperial core. but it was too centralized and lazy to exert effective control over its fringes.

this neglect can intermingle with modern SJW-style 'criminal justice' policies which are amplified by international pressures. brazil, for instance, significantly reduced its maximum penalties for crimes like murder in the 1980's, after its dictatorship was ousted.

this was applauded by 'the international community.' it was asinine and destructive in actual practice, which was not hard to predict based on brazil's demographics.

in this sense, el salvador may be the first test-case for something approaching a data-driven crackdown on crime. bukele didn't just tell his soldiers to go kill everyone; he had computers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49965200)

Thats what fascinates me---how a guy like Bukele can get rid of the most violent fucks in his country.

Was he helped by the US? He's a total anomaly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966260)

Do you think he's a CIA asset, or is he fully independent?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966441)

that seems to come from the technology side of things, where different strategies were tested out and data-assessed in real-time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49968542)

but that was more than enough to cut the murder rate by over 98%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49970148)

SF Bay wasn't discovered until the late 1700s in an overland expedition led by a Catalan. AYY DAT TOO MANY FOG PAPI

"Spanish" ships were often crewed by Portuguese. Basques, Catalans, and Filipino natives.

Such a deeply idle and incurious people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966918)

Is the argument that Latin America is all halfbreed mestizos and then violent Spanish/Portugese?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966513)

It's only either dictatorship or straight socialism there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5877747&forum_id=2/en-en#49966542)