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Sam Altman: maybe selling AI by tokens was a mistake (link)

https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=6...
Chest-beating wild filthpig
  06/04/26
american closed model providers are going to get their assho...
Dun glittery field
  06/04/26
no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale
Dead hissy fit
  06/04/26
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frisky liquid oxygen piazza
  06/04/26
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Lavender turdskin hospital
  06/04/26
Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of ser...
flickering milk dragon
  06/04/26
its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing r...
Dead hissy fit
  06/04/26
Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't u...
flickering milk dragon
  06/04/26
the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese A...
coral dysfunction principal's office
  06/04/26
They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway
frisky liquid oxygen piazza
  06/04/26
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Dead hissy fit
  06/04/26
yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise ...
coral dysfunction principal's office
  06/04/26
enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except fo...
Dead hissy fit
  06/04/26
They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need fro...
frisky liquid oxygen piazza
  06/04/26
they can't and won't
Dun glittery field
  06/04/26
ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve aroun...
coral dysfunction principal's office
  06/04/26
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Dead hissy fit
  06/04/26
They can and won't.
flickering milk dragon
  06/04/26
no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trad...
Dun glittery field
  06/04/26
This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We c...
flickering milk dragon
  06/04/26
has anyone tried coding with chinese models?
mind-boggling cyan therapy
  06/04/26
Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you ...
frisky liquid oxygen piazza
  06/04/26
is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code?
mind-boggling cyan therapy
  06/04/26
Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavil...
frisky liquid oxygen piazza
  06/04/26
They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st
jade infuriating national
  06/04/26
How many times have people said "Have you ever tried us...
flickering milk dragon
  06/04/26
I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game)...
titillating honey-headed corner reading party
  06/04/26


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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:21 AM
Author: Chest-beating wild filthpig

https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=61

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914690)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM
Author: Dun glittery field

american closed model providers are going to get their assholds eaten out by low cost chinese models and are scared shitless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914700)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM
Author: Dead hissy fit

no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914701)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM
Author: frisky liquid oxygen piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914719)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:39 AM
Author: Lavender turdskin hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914742)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: flickering milk dragon

Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of services that use our data. There's no reason to think AI will be different unless the government prohibits it. Companies will always eventually go with the lowest cost thing that does the job at an enterprise level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914775)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:51 AM
Author: Dead hissy fit

its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing rubber trash cans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914792)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: flickering milk dragon

Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't use them?

Because, like I said, they will use it unless it's prohibited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914797)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:32 AM
Author: coral dysfunction principal's office

the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese AI models

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914711)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM
Author: frisky liquid oxygen piazza

They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914723)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:36 AM
Author: Dead hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914726)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: coral dysfunction principal's office

yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise use them anyway because they're an order of magnitude cheaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914729)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:40 AM
Author: Dead hissy fit

enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except for frontier capabilities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914745)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: frisky liquid oxygen piazza

They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need frontier reasoning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914800)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: Dun glittery field

they can't and won't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914736)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:43 AM
Author: coral dysfunction principal's office

ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve around AI soon

they will be forced to even if they didn't want to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914757)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: Dead hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914763)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: flickering milk dragon

They can and won't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914777)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:17 PM
Author: Dun glittery field

no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trade and this is an important enough arms race that the chinese government would buttfuck us if we tried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49915036)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:04 PM
Author: flickering milk dragon

This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We certainly have the ability to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49916096)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: mind-boggling cyan therapy

has anyone tried coding with chinese models?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914798)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:56 AM
Author: frisky liquid oxygen piazza

Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you can't really just go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914803)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:00 PM
Author: mind-boggling cyan therapy

is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914820)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:02 PM
Author: frisky liquid oxygen piazza

Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavily subsidizing the cost. It's like twice as cheap for input tokens and 20-40% cheaper on output depending which gpt pricing tier you aare using. Also not just for tokens for the 100 dollar plan on codex vs claude you get way more usage. Claude depletes faster during peak hours too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914828)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: jade infuriating national

They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49915825)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:05 PM
Author: flickering milk dragon

How many times have people said "Have you ever tried using a Xhinese X?" about a products that are now exclusively produced in China?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49914841)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:53 PM
Author: titillating honey-headed corner reading party

I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game). But I've used deepseek for a bunch of basic, non-legal shit, and it generally sucked

The only good point I can think of is that it wouldn't bullshit when it was caught not following the prompt or not pulling data. ChatGPT and most American models dig their heels in and seem to intentionally fuck up requests once they've been caught

An example is that I was using AI for some dividend screening help. Despite explicit instructions to conduct research by calculating yields based on the prior day's closing price, it would pull 3 and then make up the rest (about 7 in total). When called on it, it would admit to the problem of not pulling data. I would explicitly tell it to pull the data for all tickers to generate the yield data. It would regenerate the data but refuse to pull the actual data for multiple tickers each time.

After four rounds of this, it finally suggested starting all over with a clean prompt tomorrow

If the Chinese models can get better quality-wise, they will fucking eat these lazy American LLMs for lunch. But that day is not yet here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2:#49915832)