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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
appetizing flatulent sanctuary faggotry
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: appetizing flatulent sanctuary faggotry

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: crawly church building liquid oxygen

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:39 PM
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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM
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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
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Date: July 12th, 2026 8:27 PM
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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:04 PM
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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:18 PM
Author: Jet Address

Nigga WTF do you know about this? Why are you so fucking obsessed with whites?

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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:21 PM
Author: crawly church building liquid oxygen

cumskins dont make trillions of threads about asians though for sure

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Date: July 13th, 2026 5:50 PM
Author: crawly church building liquid oxygen



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Date: July 19th, 2026 9:36 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:58 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: floppy milk

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Exhilarant mentally impaired casino degenerate

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: floppy milk

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Exhilarant mentally impaired casino degenerate

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: floppy milk

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: pearl school generalized bond

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: tantric ape field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: snowy vivacious parlor hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: pearly gas station blood rage

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Charismatic Crackhouse

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: canary impressive corn cake private investor

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: pearl school generalized bond

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: flushed idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Galvanic pit

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: thirsty federal hospital round eye

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: passionate light forum weed whacker

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: histrionic university death wish

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Out-of-control double fault

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: histrionic university death wish

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: passionate light forum weed whacker

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Bright vibrant friendly grandma

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Bright vibrant friendly grandma

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2]#49838410)