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Sam Altman: maybe selling AI by tokens was a mistake (link)
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:21 AM Author: Vermilion liquid oxygen https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=61 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914690) |
Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM Author: swashbuckling mustard corner american closed model providers are going to get their assholds eaten out by low cost chinese models and are scared shitless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914700) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM Author: histrionic ruddy private investor no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914701) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM Author: vigorous chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914719) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:39 AM Author: beady-eyed primrose volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914742) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM Author: Mauve Dopamine Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of services that use our data. There's no reason to think AI will be different unless the government prohibits it. Companies will always eventually go with the lowest cost thing that does the job at an enterprise level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914775) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:51 AM Author: histrionic ruddy private investor its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing rubber trash cans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914792) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM Author: Mauve Dopamine Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't use them?
Because, like I said, they will use it unless it's prohibited. |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:32 AM Author: Excitant maize new version casino the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese AI models (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914711) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM Author: vigorous chapel They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914723) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:36 AM Author: histrionic ruddy private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914726) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:37 AM Author: Excitant maize new version casino yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise use them anyway because they're an order of magnitude cheaper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914729) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:40 AM Author: histrionic ruddy private investor enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except for frontier capabilities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914745) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM Author: vigorous chapel They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need frontier reasoning? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914800) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:38 AM Author: swashbuckling mustard corner they can't and won't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914736) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:43 AM Author: Excitant maize new version casino ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve around AI soon
they will be forced to even if they didn't want to |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:44 AM Author: histrionic ruddy private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914763) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM Author: Mauve Dopamine They can and won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914777) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:17 PM Author: swashbuckling mustard corner no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trade and this is an important enough arms race that the chinese government would buttfuck us if we tried. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49915036) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:04 PM Author: Mauve Dopamine This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We certainly have the ability to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49916096) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM Author: Talented nibblets stage has anyone tried coding with chinese models? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914798) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:56 AM Author: vigorous chapel Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you can't really just go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914803) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:00 PM Author: Talented nibblets stage is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914820) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:02 PM Author: vigorous chapel Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavily subsidizing the cost. It's like twice as cheap for input tokens and 20-40% cheaper on output depending which gpt pricing tier you aare using. Also not just for tokens for the 100 dollar plan on codex vs claude you get way more usage. Claude depletes faster during peak hours too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914828) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:46 PM Author: bonkers travel guidebook house They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49915825) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:05 PM Author: Mauve Dopamine How many times have people said "Have you ever tried using a Xhinese X?" about a products that are now exclusively produced in China? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2]#49914841) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:53 PM Author: vivacious lemon depressive I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game). But I've used deepseek for a bunch of basic, non-legal shit, and it generally sucked
The only good point I can think of is that it wouldn't bullshit when it was caught not following the prompt or not pulling data. ChatGPT and most American models dig their heels in and seem to intentionally fuck up requests once they've been caught
An example is that I was using AI for some dividend screening help. Despite explicit instructions to conduct research by calculating yields based on the prior day's closing price, it would pull 3 and then make up the rest (about 7 in total). When called on it, it would admit to the problem of not pulling data. I would explicitly tell it to pull the data for all tickers to generate the yield data. It would regenerate the data but refuse to pull the actual data for multiple tickers each time.
After four rounds of this, it finally suggested starting all over with a clean prompt tomorrow
If the Chinese models can get better quality-wise, they will fucking eat these lazy American LLMs for lunch. But that day is not yet here |