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America is barely even a first world country

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why...
Bright drunken roommate cruise ship
  09/25/13
I blame so-called diversity. America is doing GREAT if you e...
Odious Mediation Skinny Woman
  09/25/13
and west virginia
Bright drunken roommate cruise ship
  09/25/13
it's still not spectacular even if you do that, but the impo...
flirting quadroon
  09/25/13
its more likely wed be a chinese style state: free market au...
Hateful frisky national security agency
  09/25/13
i have devised a final solution to this problem.
Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur
  09/25/13
this. racism actually provides a sort of distraction for ...
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lemon misunderstood ticket booth
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what is the average weight of birdshit america? divorc...
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lemon misunderstood ticket booth
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Lol
heady puce rehab
  09/25/13
Didn't read article. Why's having great prisons necessary fo...
Dark school philosopher-king
  09/25/13
the reason this won't work is a lot people would just commi...
Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur
  09/25/13
societies with high levels of altruism, community norms, per...
flirting quadroon
  09/25/13
3 good hots. a nice bed. internet. tv. gym. health care. den...
Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur
  09/25/13
I forgot to mention that these countries also have flatter i...
flirting quadroon
  09/25/13
who doesn't? we are up there with feudal europe.
Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur
  09/25/13
You could easily make a list of a million reasons why Americ...
motley gaped clown
  09/25/13
TIRED OF WINNING
ebony curious private investor
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TIRED OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS
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  05/26/22
superior anglo culture
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ebony curious private investor
  08/12/25
maybe sit this one TF out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
ungodly effete crackhouse
  08/12/25
damn bro tons of schoolkids in korea getting shot up daily
ebony curious private investor
  08/12/25
white men at american colleges dont get shot though for sure
ebony curious private investor
  09/11/25
white females dont get shot daily either
ebony curious private investor
  09/11/25
like the one in minnesota
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  01/07/26
It's absolutely fine. Date: January 29th, 2017 9:49 PM ...
ebony curious private investor
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like portland
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and maine
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PRESIDENTIAL SHOOTINGS
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MUH MICHIGAN MORMONS
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Its what I'd call a "fourth world" country. It has...
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CalTech's "no bazinga" policy
  07/14/26
most americans don't even have $1,000 saved up for an emerge...
Federal menage
  05/26/22
jfc
ebony curious private investor
  05/26/22
Yet somehow the proles I work with all have the latest "...
Odious Mediation Skinny Woman
  05/26/22
too bad no faggy "apps" cause sterilization
Federal menage
  05/26/22
It's almost like the rise of the nuclear family destroys cul...
Medicated cordovan corner
  06/22/22
it's barely a 3rd world country
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  06/22/22
Lololol. Oh jeez what is the difference? What policy do the ...
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sooty pistol
  03/25/24
The US was never first world anyway these terms are stupid n...
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  03/27/24
is the implication that america is third world because we do...
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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:06 AM
Author: Bright drunken roommate cruise ship

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/?google_editors_picks=true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109834)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:07 AM
Author: Odious Mediation Skinny Woman

I blame so-called diversity. America is doing GREAT if you exclude the browns and blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109838)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:09 AM
Author: Bright drunken roommate cruise ship

and west virginia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109844)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:11 AM
Author: flirting quadroon

it's still not spectacular even if you do that, but the important thing to remember is that an america without minorities would be a socialist paradise much like sweden because we'd have higher levels of social trust which would help every single institution function better, political shitparties wouldn't be able to exploit racial divisions to pwn us with their corporatist agendas, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109847)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:20 AM
Author: Hateful frisky national security agency

its more likely wed be a chinese style state: free market authoritarianism. the capitalist narrative is too strong in are country types to allow for socialism, but they give zero fucks about corporatism or really even corruption

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109874)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:23 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur

i have devised a final solution to this problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109879)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 6:21 AM
Author: Pearl rough-skinned mexican hell

this.

racism actually provides a sort of distraction for Americans. without racism, it'd just be outright ruthless competition with everyone like China.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109996)



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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:08 PM
Author: lemon misunderstood ticket booth

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49296788)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:31 AM
Author: Vermilion spot french chef

what is the average weight of birdshit america?

divorce rate?

meth addiction?

education levels?

ljl birdshit amerikkka is not doing great u dumb moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575767)



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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:22 AM
Author: Vermilion spot french chef

Yes US birdshits are so thin and gorgeous with great family values and working hard studying STEM and stuff not snorting meth all day and trying to rape 12yo AZN girls.... Good stuff!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#47530791)



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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:07 PM
Author: lemon misunderstood ticket booth

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49296787)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:14 AM
Author: heady puce rehab

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109859)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:15 AM
Author: Dark school philosopher-king

Didn't read article. Why's having great prisons necessary for being a first world country? IMO, it would be better to have NO prisons at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109863)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:17 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur

the reason this won't work is a lot people would just commit crimes to get put in a sweet living situation that is way better than you can achieve on the outside. the dude who shot up the camp surely live better than debt strapped millenials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109870)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:35 AM
Author: flirting quadroon

societies with high levels of altruism, community norms, personal investment in the public good, etc, can get away with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109897)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:42 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur

3 good hots. a nice bed. internet. tv. gym. health care. dentist. shrinks if you need it. better than i have lived since leaving ug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109910)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:57 AM
Author: flirting quadroon

I forgot to mention that these countries also have flatter income distributions than the US

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109923)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 5:18 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Dead Voyeur

who doesn't? we are up there with feudal europe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109954)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 6:15 AM
Author: motley gaped clown

You could easily make a list of a million reasons why America sucks, but this isn't one of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#24109988)



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Date: June 3rd, 2020 1:04 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

TIRED OF WINNING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#40335228)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 2:58 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

TIRED OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575701)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:29 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

superior anglo culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575763)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:13 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49177197)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:15 AM
Author: ungodly effete crackhouse

maybe sit this one TF out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49177204)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:18 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

damn bro tons of schoolkids in korea getting shot up daily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49177211)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 2:03 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

white men at american colleges dont get shot though for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49253914)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor

white females dont get shot daily either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49257404)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:09 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor

like the one in minnesota

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49570533)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor

It's absolutely fine.

Date: January 29th, 2017 9:49 PM

Author: lawman8

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3508473&forum_id=2#32494554

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49570636)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:15 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor

like portland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49570915)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor

and maine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49573963)



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Date: July 14th, 2026 9:03 PM
Author: nyuug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#50000590)



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Date: July 14th, 2026 9:42 PM
Author: nyuug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#50000708)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:24 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49571159)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 1:08 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49571352)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49573608)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:18 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49573764)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:55 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49573871)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:49 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49570844)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:17 PM
Author: ungodly effete crackhouse

YEAH superior gook culture where teachers stab innocent 8 year olds is much better! DURR DURR

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj3zer88yrzo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49570919)



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Date: September 14th, 2025 8:10 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49269315)



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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:57 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: August 17th, 2025 5:44 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: August 18th, 2025 11:21 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: August 21st, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: August 26th, 2025 12:56 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: September 15th, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: September 16th, 2025 8:38 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: September 22nd, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: September 24th, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:32 PM
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Date: October 13th, 2025 8:05 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: October 15th, 2025 1:43 AM
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Date: July 15th, 2024 12:20 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

PRESIDENTIAL SHOOTINGS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#47845205)



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Date: July 16th, 2024 6:43 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:46 PM
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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:07 PM
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Date: September 28th, 2025 5:27 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor

MUH MICHIGAN MORMONS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49309997)



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Date: October 2nd, 2025 1:00 AM
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Date: October 15th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:09 PM
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Date: March 6th, 2023 7:25 PM
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Date: March 25th, 2024 11:19 PM
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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:21 AM
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Date: March 27th, 2024 4:27 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: March 27th, 2024 8:31 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 9:36 PM
Author: ebony curious private investor



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:31 AM
Author: Vermilion spot french chef

Its what I'd call a "fourth world" country. It has TONS of things that dont exist in real first world countries like gun violence or mass obesity but these things also don't exist in most "third world" countries. The US is really unique in how furking shit it is. Truly amazing what a shithole country has been created, Mexico looks like it has a brighter future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575766)



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Date: July 14th, 2026 9:03 PM
Author: CalTech's "no bazinga" policy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#50000593)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:34 AM
Author: Federal menage

most americans don't even have $1,000 saved up for an emergency. even syrian refugees could come up with a few grand to escape when the war started.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575771)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:35 AM
Author: ebony curious private investor

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575775)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:39 AM
Author: Odious Mediation Skinny Woman

Yet somehow the proles I work with all have the latest "phone" with every accessory hmmm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575777)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:45 AM
Author: Federal menage

too bad no faggy "apps" cause sterilization

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44575784)



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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:11 PM
Author: Medicated cordovan corner

It's almost like the rise of the nuclear family destroys cultures

You know is doing fine? Proles who live near extended family. Got a kid? Fifty different cousins can come by to take care of the kid when you're sick or have to travel for work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44723225)



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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:10 PM
Author: peach digit ratio bawdyhouse

it's barely a 3rd world country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44723215)



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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:20 PM
Author: supple principal's office

Lololol. Oh jeez what is the difference? What policy do the Scandinavians have that we just need to adopt that will make everything here work like everything there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#44723277)



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Date: March 25th, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: sooty pistol



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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:23 AM
Author: Vermilion spot french chef

The US was never first world anyway these terms are stupid now so much of what u birdbrains consider third world does many things better than US... Like wtf are there barely any hobos or mentally deranged or fats in Laos

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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: jade balding market shitlib

is the implication that america is third world because we dont have enough Anders Breiviks and we don't reward them with things like Console Gaming for their Acts of Heroism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2]#49186467)



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Date: July 14th, 2026 9:45 PM
Author: CDC Director Joseph A. Ladapo

the thing with heavy capitalism is that there is always a winner and always a loser. socialist or semi-socialist societies like the Nordics don't have this. so if we get rid of the browns there will simply be a fat, stupid white underclass to replace them and soon enough they will do everything we chastise the browns for today. trust me, there are plenty of them, everywhere

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