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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Drab brunch friendly grandma
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Deep Police Squad
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Drab brunch friendly grandma
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Deep Police Squad
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Deep Police Squad
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
bright idiot chad
  04/05/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Drab brunch friendly grandma
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Drab brunch friendly grandma
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Drab brunch friendly grandma
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated
Jet corn cake
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
Grizzly ticket booth
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
Frum water buffalo
  04/05/26
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cracking volcanic crater
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
Talented Cruel-hearted Jew Center
  04/05/26
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Jet corn cake
  04/05/26
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Dull razzmatazz national security agency theater stage
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
Smoky rigpig menage
  04/05/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
Jade galvanic spot
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
duck-like pisswyrm immigrant
  04/06/26
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Frum water buffalo
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
cracking volcanic crater
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
duck-like pisswyrm immigrant
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
cracking volcanic crater
  04/07/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Drab brunch friendly grandma

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796397)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Deep Police Squad

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796399)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Drab brunch friendly grandma

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Deep Police Squad

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Deep Police Squad

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: bright idiot chad

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796451)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Drab brunch friendly grandma

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Drab brunch friendly grandma

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Drab brunch friendly grandma

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796421)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Jet corn cake

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Grizzly ticket booth

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: cracking volcanic crater



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Talented Cruel-hearted Jew Center

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Jet corn cake



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Dull razzmatazz national security agency theater stage



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Smoky rigpig menage

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796569)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Jade galvanic spot

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: duck-like pisswyrm immigrant

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: Frum water buffalo



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: cracking volcanic crater

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: duck-like pisswyrm immigrant

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: cracking volcanic crater

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2в#49799605)