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Why Does Nobody Talk About Italian Political History In Post-Renaissance - Musso
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Date: June 9th, 2026 12:14 PM Author: Self-centered Candlestick Maker i dont remember anything in ap euro about this. nobody talks about it. and i suppose most fairly educated people who arent MFEs dont have a clue about it.
recently started learning about the lead up to the unification an aftermath. interesting stuff.
europe was such a clusterfuck in the 1800s that led to ww1. |
Date: June 10th, 2026 8:10 PM Author: Self-centered Candlestick Maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5872459&forum_id=2…id#49929117) |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 8:19 PM Author: Talented Jet Principal's Office i feel like garibaldi and the companions are pretty popular topics the papal states, two sicilies, these get some coverage in early modern european history. iirc italian literacy rates were pretty low and even more so amongst italians that came to america so the italian diaspora here haven't been the best custodians of italian history |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 8:23 PM Author: Self-centered Candlestick Maker hmm, who is garibaldi compared to? ive barely even heard of him. 99.9% of americans probably think he's a chocolate company.
ive been to rome a couple times and know the big victor emanual monument and knew he was some modern italian ruler, but had literally no idea who the fuck he is.
the papal states are interesting to me. i dont undersand how they developed from the renaissance era. |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 8:35 PM Author: Talented Jet Principal's Office kemal ataturk maybe or some other modernizing "father of the nation". he was a bit more of an outsider i guess (compared to ataturk) but he's still a pretty big deal for italians in the era of the republic. i had an italian professor who talked about him more than a few times the papal states' history is odd and definitely undertaught but i find it pretty interesting whenever i see something about it. italy was a lot less centralized compared to e.g. the contemporary hapsburg or prussian holdings and the idea of italians as italians first came about fairly late compared to german/HRE racial/national consciousness. the idea of an italian as an italian and not part of a regional identity like a savoyard or neapolitan didn't start getting traction until (don't quote me on this) probably mid 1800s, 1865, the liberal revolutions of the era i think the original idea behind pepin's donation of fiefs was to give the pope a means of defending the sanctity of the vatican and it kind of snowballed from there, depending on the reigning pope. in garibaldi's era they were far less popular but a thousand something years is a pretty good run |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 9:11 PM Author: comical metal step-uncle's house pocket flask cr. and yeah a lot of italian americans really dont know shit about it. most probably unaware that it wasnt always one big unified country or kingdom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5872459&forum_id=2…id#49929281) |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 8:39 PM Author: pale chad Meh this is usually a topic for dudes who did well in history and philosophy then randomly read in their early 30s for a year then move on to stocks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5872459&forum_id=2…id#49929217) |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 8:41 PM Author: Talented Jet Principal's Office nigger shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5872459&forum_id=2…id#49929222) |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 9:07 PM Author: Self-centered Candlestick Maker i never took philosophy, lib autist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5872459&forum_id=2…id#49929266) |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 9:03 PM Author: comical metal step-uncle's house pocket flask thats actually something i hear/read about fairly often and will even bring up irl
but yeah now that you mention its gotta seem like a totally niche thing to the average person |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 11:12 PM Author: Self-centered Candlestick Maker who are u bringing up Giuseppe Mazzini irl to lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5872459&forum_id=2…id#49929647) |
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Date: June 10th, 2026 11:18 PM Author: Talented Jet Principal's Office italians i talked about petain/laval and melenchon to a french guy i met at a restaurant the other day. americans are the outlier on cultural/historical awareness in the west |