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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Black indirect expression
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Razzmatazz Personal Credit Line Church Building
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Black indirect expression
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Razzmatazz Personal Credit Line Church Building
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Razzmatazz Personal Credit Line Church Building
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
Chartreuse Mildly Autistic Gay Wizard Skinny Woman
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
razzle casino
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Black indirect expression
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Black indirect expression
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Black indirect expression
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
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Bat shit crazy diverse brunch
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Vivacious beta pocket flask
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
wonderful twinkling uncleanness
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
glittery kitty masturbator
  04/05/26
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Pearl Background Story Resort
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
deranged juggernaut
  04/05/26
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Vivacious beta pocket flask
  04/05/26
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Mewling State
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
Big Deer Antler
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
Geriatric Gas Station Coldplay Fan
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
at-the-ready massive hominid dopamine
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
appetizing institution
  04/06/26
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glittery kitty masturbator
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Pearl Background Story Resort
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
appetizing institution
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Pearl Background Story Resort
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
Geriatric Gas Station Coldplay Fan
  06/04/26
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glittery kitty masturbator
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
Cheese-eating church
  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
glittery kitty masturbator
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
Cheese-eating church
  06/04/26
No Goog
smoky bateful stag film dog poop
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
razzle casino
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
Cheese-eating church
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
Fuchsia plaza
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
Cheese-eating church
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
Fuchsia plaza
  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
Cheese-eating church
  06/04/26
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glittery kitty masturbator
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Black indirect expression

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Personal Credit Line Church Building

He's undoubtedly top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Black indirect expression

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Personal Credit Line Church Building

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Personal Credit Line Church Building

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

all 3 above above ryan?



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: Chartreuse Mildly Autistic Gay Wizard Skinny Woman

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796451)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: razzle casino

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Black indirect expression

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

he's def most high iq though, no?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Black indirect expression

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Black indirect expression

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy diverse brunch



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Vivacious beta pocket flask

he's appropriately rated

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: wonderful twinkling uncleanness

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Pearl Background Story Resort



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: deranged juggernaut

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Vivacious beta pocket flask



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Mewling State



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Big Deer Antler

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: Geriatric Gas Station Coldplay Fan

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: at-the-ready massive hominid dopamine

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: appetizing institution

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Pearl Background Story Resort

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: appetizing institution

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Pearl Background Story Resort

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: Geriatric Gas Station Coldplay Fan

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914344)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: Cheese-eating church

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: Cheese-eating church

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: smoky bateful stag film dog poop
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: razzle casino

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: Cheese-eating church

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: Fuchsia plaza

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Cheese-eating church

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2…id#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Fuchsia plaza

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: Cheese-eating church

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: glittery kitty masturbator



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