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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Walnut provocative theater therapy
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Nighttime internet-worthy striped hyena
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Walnut provocative theater therapy
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Nighttime internet-worthy striped hyena
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Nighttime internet-worthy striped hyena
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
thriller hateful feces
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
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  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Walnut provocative theater therapy
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
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  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Walnut provocative theater therapy
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Walnut provocative theater therapy
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
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  04/05/26
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  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
odious dog poop hominid
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
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  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
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Brass Karate
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
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He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
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  04/05/26
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  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
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  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
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  04/06/26
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electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Brass Karate
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
Concupiscible Frum University
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Brass Karate
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
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  06/04/26
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  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
electric dull cruise ship genital piercing
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
indigo swashbuckling box office
  06/04/26
No Goog
chest-beating aphrodisiac temple turdskin
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
pale irradiated french chef
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
indigo swashbuckling box office
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
honey-headed rigor
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
indigo swashbuckling box office
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
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  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Walnut provocative theater therapy

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Nighttime internet-worthy striped hyena

He's undoubtedly top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Walnut provocative theater therapy

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Nighttime internet-worthy striped hyena

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Nighttime internet-worthy striped hyena

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

all 3 above above ryan?



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: thriller hateful feces

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: pale irradiated french chef

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Walnut provocative theater therapy

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

he's def most high iq though, no?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Walnut provocative theater therapy

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Walnut provocative theater therapy

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: odious dog poop hominid

he's appropriately rated

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: godawful sandwich

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Brass Karate



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Olive Round Eye Site

Pedro was better (than anyone).

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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: odious dog poop hominid



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: purple cowardly love of her life

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: Flatulent Casino

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: sexy potus

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: Concupiscible Frum University

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Brass Karate

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Concupiscible Frum University

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Brass Karate

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: Flatulent Casino

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: indigo swashbuckling box office

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: indigo swashbuckling box office

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: chest-beating aphrodisiac temple turdskin
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: pale irradiated french chef

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: indigo swashbuckling box office

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: honey-headed rigor

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: indigo swashbuckling box office

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: honey-headed rigor

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: indigo swashbuckling box office

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: electric dull cruise ship genital piercing



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