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Failed HBO "prestige" shows

John from Cincinnati Did anyone watch this
Racy Dilemma
  08/01/26
Yes. It was really bad. Did you see Hung? It was better but...
infuriating point famous landscape painting
  08/01/26
Hung was a great premise but they didn't land the plane. It ...
hilarious sanctuary mediation
  08/01/26
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embarrassed to the bone sticky native
  08/01/26
The idea that manwhores who only bang chicks exist is very f...
mildly autistic crackhouse
  08/02/26
Never even heard of it
Racy Dilemma
  08/01/26
imagine admitting to watching an hbo show called "hung&...
stimulating really tough guy boistinker
  08/01/26
No it had a plot and everything
hilarious sanctuary mediation
  08/01/26
Thomas Jane as I recall, around the height of his fame. Don&...
infuriating point famous landscape painting
  08/02/26
JfC seemed kind of goofy. it had elements of magical realis...
Soul-stirring Sienna Piazza Therapy
  08/01/26
Oh yeah, I remember seeing the ads but didn’t ever wat...
infuriating point famous landscape painting
  08/01/26
I actually liked treme
Galvanic bipolar mood
  08/01/26
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embarrassed to the bone sticky native
  08/01/26
I watched a certain amount of it, I hardly remember anything...
swashbuckling twinkling state
  08/02/26
didn't his character get HIV from shooting drugs? lol that's...
Galvanic bipolar mood
  08/03/26
CARNIVALE
Alcoholic demanding halford
  08/01/26
I wouldn’t say this one failed exactly. They had at le...
infuriating point famous landscape painting
  08/02/26
Yeah it premiered right after the final Sopranos episode. An...
Obsidian cruise ship
  08/01/26
was gonna say bloodline but i think thats netflix
stimulating really tough guy boistinker
  08/01/26
Bloodline was the last post-house of cards show I checked ou...
mildly autistic crackhouse
  08/02/26
Dream On
aphrodisiac seedy filthpig trust fund
  08/01/26
I think that was pre-prestige
abnormal spectacular range karate
  08/01/26
yes. i'd say prestige began with the sopranos and probably k...
Galvanic bipolar mood
  08/03/26
Game of Franzens 'HBO cancelled its star-studded adapta...
motley patrolman becky
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Geriatric vivacious coffee pot
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ruby death wish
  08/02/26
Doobs of Breezewood
Razzle transparent base
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Cowardly chapel
  08/03/26
Vinyl Here and Now The Idol The Nevers Run Ca...
salmon shitlib
  08/02/26
yeah cowgod Boardwalk Empire was a huge failure do you ev...
zombie-like charcoal hospital
  08/02/26
It was weird how no one really talked about it though. Like ...
Diverse unhinged stain newt
  08/02/26
i remember it being talked about a lot when it was on. after...
Galvanic bipolar mood
  08/02/26
(Steve Buscemi)
salmon shitlib
  08/02/26
Jfc cowshit grow a beard after this post
misanthropic ladyboy striped hyena
  08/02/26
Vinyl was great, but apparently cost as much as GoT
Titillating awkward pit
  08/02/26
Many of those were good and/or ran multiple seasons
Titillating awkward pit
  08/02/26
Vinyl The Brink Winning Time Westworld The Deuce Boardw...
Navy round eye
  08/03/26
I got really excited about THE DEUCE because I was a kid in ...
Cerebral Nighttime Pistol
  08/03/26
wasn't her character like a gutter street walker? It's been ...
Navy round eye
  08/03/26
idr, but the plot definitely required biological men / male ...
Cerebral Nighttime Pistol
  08/03/26
I think you have to take into consideration that perhaps peo...
Navy round eye
  08/03/26
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66426-the-past-is-a-foreign...
Cerebral Nighttime Pistol
  08/03/26
westworld lmao
coral menage
  08/02/26
season 1 was ok but there weren't really any stakes inside t...
smoky startling office psychic
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hairraiser scarlet stock car station
  08/02/26
Great first season. Rest was crap.
Alcoholic demanding halford
  08/02/26
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embarrassed to the bone sticky native
  08/03/26
genuine embarrassment thinking back to watching this
Hyperactive umber yarmulke old irish cottage
  08/02/26
Vinyl is their biggest bust ever. John from Cincinnati an...
lemon bat-shit-crazy idiot
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multi-colored hominid
  08/02/26
Vinyl would have been a hit on a smaller budget if it was al...
Titillating awkward pit
  08/02/26
Hot Take: Boardwalk Empire. Maybe too soon to tell but H...
multi-colored hominid
  08/02/26
yeah too soon to tell with multiple years between multiple s...
salmon shitlib
  08/02/26
I just meant it’s not over yet but I think the writing...
multi-colored hominid
  08/02/26
everyone watched boardwalk empire. They just didn’t wa...
mildly autistic crackhouse
  08/02/26
Exactly. It was good not great and definitely not worth a se...
multi-colored hominid
  08/02/26
Boardwalk Empire was a great premise and had some great acti...
Obsidian cruise ship
  08/02/26
As usual, I agree with everything you said in this post 😀
multi-colored hominid
  08/02/26
Luck was actually pretty good. It was gritty and emotional g...
silver elastic band juggernaut
  08/02/26
Wasn't it just that the horses kept dying?
Self-absorbed Messiness
  08/02/26
Bored to Death
Histrionic institution private investor
  08/02/26
Same
Racy Dilemma
  08/02/26
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Titillating awkward pit
  08/02/26
Id have to rewatch but i seem to remember bored to death get...
multi-colored hominid
  08/03/26
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Aromatic black woman
  08/03/26
The Idol was absolutely unwatchable
bearded haunted graveyard windowlicker
  08/03/26


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Date: August 1st, 2026 6:36 PM
Author: Racy Dilemma

John from Cincinnati

Did anyone watch this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039726)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: infuriating point famous landscape painting

Yes. It was really bad. Did you see Hung? It was better but still don’t think it did well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039728)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: hilarious sanctuary mediation

Hung was a great premise but they didn't land the plane. It had moments though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039733)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 11:06 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone sticky native



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 7:11 AM
Author: mildly autistic crackhouse

The idea that manwhores who only bang chicks exist is very far fetched

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040305)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 6:48 PM
Author: Racy Dilemma

Never even heard of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039735)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 9:09 PM
Author: stimulating really tough guy boistinker

imagine admitting to watching an hbo show called "hung" that was the porn show right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039931)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 9:10 PM
Author: hilarious sanctuary mediation

No it had a plot and everything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039933)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:54 AM
Author: infuriating point famous landscape painting

Thomas Jane as I recall, around the height of his fame. Don’t remember who else. There was minimal if any nudity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040488)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 6:53 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Sienna Piazza Therapy

JfC seemed kind of goofy. it had elements of magical realism, but was generally too mundane for those elements to mean anything. from what i remember, a lot of it was a domestic drama with annoying and unsympathetic characters.

also, in terms of failed HBO prestige projects, Treme must be one of their biggest flops. they poured a lot of money into that thing, and nobody watched.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039738)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 7:05 PM
Author: infuriating point famous landscape painting

Oh yeah, I remember seeing the ads but didn’t ever watch it because it looked dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039756)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 11:02 PM
Author: Galvanic bipolar mood

I actually liked treme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040109)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 11:06 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone sticky native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040117)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:40 PM
Author: swashbuckling twinkling state

I watched a certain amount of it, I hardly remember anything about it.

Steve Zahn sticks out in my mind. I don't remember how though. I don't remember if he sucked, if his character sucked, or if he was good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041878)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 6:23 AM
Author: Galvanic bipolar mood

didn't his character get HIV from shooting drugs? lol that's about all i remember. good point tho, not a very memorable show at all. compare that with the sopranos, which has dozens of iconic plot points and quotable lines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042118)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 9:01 PM
Author: Alcoholic demanding halford

CARNIVALE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039919)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:56 AM
Author: infuriating point famous landscape painting

I wouldn’t say this one failed exactly. They had at least a couple seasons and it had some memorable plot lines and characters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040492)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 9:05 PM
Author: Obsidian cruise ship

Yeah it premiered right after the final Sopranos episode. And it fucking sucked. Turned me on to John Strummer though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039921)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 9:08 PM
Author: stimulating really tough guy boistinker

was gonna say bloodline but i think thats netflix

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50039926)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:36 AM
Author: mildly autistic crackhouse

Bloodline was the last post-house of cards show I checked out just because it was a new Netflix show. Stopped doing that after that one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040288)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 11:03 PM
Author: aphrodisiac seedy filthpig trust fund

Dream On

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040110)



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Date: August 1st, 2026 11:53 PM
Author: abnormal spectacular range karate

I think that was pre-prestige

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040170)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 6:24 AM
Author: Galvanic bipolar mood

yes. i'd say prestige began with the sopranos and probably kicked in around 2000. tv up to that point was slop and for actors who either were washed up or never going to make it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042120)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 12:21 AM
Author: motley patrolman becky

Game of Franzens

'HBO cancelled its star-studded adaptation pilot of Jonathan Franzen's novel The Corrections in May 2012. The project was co-written and directed by Noah Baumbach and featured a prominent cast including Ewan McGregor and Maggie Gyllenhaal.'

https://variety.com/2012/tv/news/hbo-says-no-to-the-corrections-1118053386/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040190)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Geriatric vivacious coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040327)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:58 AM
Author: ruby death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040497)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 6:46 AM
Author: Razzle transparent base

Doobs of Breezewood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040298)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 6:02 AM
Author: Cowardly chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042104)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 6:55 AM
Author: salmon shitlib

Vinyl

Here and Now

The Idol

The Nevers

Run

Camping

The Brink

Tell Me You Love Me

The Time Traveler’s Wife

Luck

Enlightened

Togetherness

Looking

Avenue 5

Perry Mason

Winning Time

Lovecraft Country

How to Make It in America

Westworld

The Newsroom

The Deuce

Treme

Boardwalk Empire

The Leftovers

In Treatment

Divorce

The Comeback

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040302)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 7:34 AM
Author: zombie-like charcoal hospital

yeah cowgod Boardwalk Empire was a huge failure

do you even curate your ai responses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040317)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 7:40 AM
Author: Diverse unhinged stain newt

It was weird how no one really talked about it though. Like the complete opposite of Sopranos. It was a pretty good show too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040319)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 8:04 AM
Author: Galvanic bipolar mood

i remember it being talked about a lot when it was on. after it ended, it kinda disappeared tho.

a stripper who sucked my dick in the vip room at club risque in philly was an extra on Vinyl (i went back and watched her episode after). she actually met mick jagger's son on set and he fucked her. i was bummed that show only had one season. i liked it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040337)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 8:40 AM
Author: salmon shitlib

(Steve Buscemi)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040356)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:22 AM
Author: misanthropic ladyboy striped hyena

Jfc cowshit grow a beard after this post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040440)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 6:11 PM
Author: Titillating awkward pit

Vinyl was great, but apparently cost as much as GoT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041393)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:28 PM
Author: Titillating awkward pit

Many of those were good and/or ran multiple seasons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041855)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 6:07 AM
Author: Navy round eye

Vinyl

The Brink

Winning Time

Westworld

The Deuce

Boardwalk Empire

Never heard of half of these, but the above were entertaining. Some of these got multiple seasons, tough to call them flops. Also FUCKKKK that shit Rome was one of the GOAT HBO shows and only got what 2 seasons?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042106)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:28 AM
Author: Cerebral Nighttime Pistol

I got really excited about THE DEUCE because I was a kid in mfh when times square was squalid, and I generally like old new york stuff. and there was a pretty hot latina, iirc

but i quickly realized that watching the show involved committing to the bit that maggie gyllenhall (sp?) was sexually attractive, and that was that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042296)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:29 AM
Author: Navy round eye

wasn't her character like a gutter street walker? It's been a while but I recall her arc being more about GRLLLL power OMG SHE'S A HOOK BUT SMART and figuring out how to monetize selling her pussy and grift some paper off the jew pornographer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042299)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:30 AM
Author: Cerebral Nighttime Pistol

idr, but the plot definitely required biological men / male at birth, with cisgender penises, heterosexual and straight, wanting to have sex with her, and even trading money for the opportunity.

i can watch flying dragons, etc., but there are limits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042301)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:34 AM
Author: Navy round eye

I think you have to take into consideration that perhaps people were uglier in the 70s, they had little to no access to porn or swipe fuck apps and some of these sweaty, combover bald fat middle aged men might have been desperate enough to fuck her or even worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042309)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:37 AM
Author: Cerebral Nighttime Pistol

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66426-the-past-is-a-foreign-country-they-do-things-differently

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042321)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 7:25 AM
Author: coral menage

westworld lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040314)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 8:11 AM
Author: smoky startling office psychic

season 1 was ok but there weren't really any stakes inside the Westworld because characters couldnt die like they could in the Matrix iirc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040344)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:53 AM
Author: hairraiser scarlet stock car station



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:20 AM
Author: Alcoholic demanding halford

Great first season. Rest was crap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040437)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 12:30 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone sticky native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041976)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 6:14 PM
Author: Hyperactive umber yarmulke old irish cottage

genuine embarrassment thinking back to watching this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041401)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 8:09 AM
Author: lemon bat-shit-crazy idiot

Vinyl is their biggest bust ever.

John from Cincinnati and Treme (which I liked) are probably on the podium.

Their overall track record is pretty amazing over like nearly 30 years of doing this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040342)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:02 AM
Author: multi-colored hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040372)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:29 PM
Author: Titillating awkward pit

Vinyl would have been a hit on a smaller budget if it was allowed the room for seasons 2 and 3. Season 1 was incredible but it’s per episode cost was more than GoT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041858)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:03 AM
Author: multi-colored hominid

Hot Take: Boardwalk Empire.

Maybe too soon to tell but House of the Dragon is horrifically bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040373)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:02 AM
Author: salmon shitlib

yeah too soon to tell with multiple years between multiple seasons heretofore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040423)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:00 PM
Author: multi-colored hominid

I just meant it’s not over yet but I think the writings on the wall. 2nd season was a pretty big let down and this season has been much worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041725)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:08 AM
Author: mildly autistic crackhouse

everyone watched boardwalk empire. They just didn’t watch a second time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040428)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: multi-colored hominid

Exactly. It was good not great and definitely not worth a second watch unlike its predecessors like sopranos, wire and 6 feet under.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041722)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:15 AM
Author: Obsidian cruise ship

Boardwalk Empire was a great premise and had some great acting but the plot went nowhere.

Dragon Show 2 is a sequel to a series that ran out of gas even before the OG concluded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040432)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: multi-colored hominid

As usual, I agree with everything you said in this post 😀

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041723)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:06 AM
Author: silver elastic band juggernaut

Luck was actually pretty good. It was gritty and emotional guess it couldn’t hold an audience though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50040375)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:21 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Messiness

Wasn't it just that the horses kept dying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041842)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:13 PM
Author: Histrionic institution private investor

Bored to Death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041737)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Racy Dilemma

Same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041804)



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Date: August 2nd, 2026 10:29 PM
Author: Titillating awkward pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50041862)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: multi-colored hominid

Id have to rewatch but i seem to remember bored to death getting better as it progressed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5888491&forum_id=2…id#50042257)



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:35 AM
Author: Aromatic black woman



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Date: August 3rd, 2026 9:22 AM
Author: bearded haunted graveyard windowlicker

The Idol was absolutely unwatchable

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