Keep in mind there is no mission to colonize Mars or the moon with a massive declining population at home. Currently global population peaks in 2080. However, UN estimates have serverly undershot the estimations before and population collapse happens much faster than predicted. South Korea is a perfect example. It's basically a dead society and at this point it would take 50 years to recover if changes were implemented today.

I did a few long road trips this summer and I saw lots of old abandoned towns. That's going to more wide spread and a normal occurrence for our kids and grand kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078316)

But ...

Data from the 2020 Census officially confirmed that the under-18 population has become "majority-minority," making non-Hispanic white children a minority within their own age group for the first time in modern American history.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078351)

Thanks cons and libs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078356)

all men are shutins and the only placegoers and thingdoers (and thingbuyers) are hags pushing around dogs in strollers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078328)

Populations will decline and then rebound, just like all animals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078346)

A good example is data centers. If you pay attention you know the bet is that AI will be needed to offset the decline in population. But nobody tells the communities that will host the data centers. It's all couched in economic development and profit seeking for big tech. That's not the issue at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078344)

data centers and AI are pushed because they make money. there is zero consideration of their long-term effects by anyone in elected office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078357)

people do have a personal interest in the system continuing without decline or collapse. there are very few westerners whose QOL would go up if the ponzi failed (there are some, though)

it's a sad state of things but that is the reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078404)

Like yeah, you'd have fewer people hauling around in 100k GMC Yukons...but most of the people doing this activity are just debt slaves anyway.

People might end up technically poorer, but have more freedom overall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078515)

You're right that either way it's a valid concern. I think what's most interesting is thinking about why the population is declining. The decision, or the capacity to comfortably have children is rooted in things like outlook on the future for those kids, whether you can afford them, or even just weather people are happy and fucking instead of just being depressed and scrolling.

Few people ever delve into this and think about how we can improve things so that people can and want to reproduce. And I think you're right that the issue is largely about "How do we get dem #s UP!" even if the solution is importing 3rd worlders, because most of our leaders are only considering the very short term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078444)

The Biologist: "Infinite exponential growth is impossible. The population will overshoot its carrying capacity, deplete resources, and trigger a catastrophic die-off."

The Physicist: "Infinite exponential growth is impossible. It violates the first and second laws of thermodynamics, as it would eventually require more energy than exists in the observable universe."

The Economist: "Hold my spreadsheet. If we simply adjust the interest rates, substitute the depleted resources with digital assets, and assume a spherical cow of infinite technological innovation, we can hit 3% growth quarter-over-quarter until the heat death of the universe."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078695)

we know why population is declining btw. it's a combination of children being an economic burden and women becoming dominant over men. and there is nothing that can reverse these trends except a total collapse of the current system, so worrying about it is honestly kinda moot, even though it is a really bad thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078505)

The argument that guys like Musk are putting out is that the capital stack of most corporations (and countries) is structured in a way that requires long term growth in demand. A decline in population would reduce demand and cause an economic collapse. However, economies recover from recessions regularly and corporations/people are adaptable, and there’s no indication such a collapse would happen anyways; it’s pure speculation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078479)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078599)

some recent scholarship on this topic if anyone is interested

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078567)

i think it's the only academic paper i've ever read that has addressed this topic openly and honestly. they call out modernity as hostile to human reproduction and do not shy away from the recognition that women's rights have directly led to lowered fertility because men are the ones who want children, not women, who resist having children if they can (almost no one is willing to admit this)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078639)

arent iphones crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078665)

could easily spell doom.

- Overweighting the chart with elderly / inform could topple any ability to maintain civilization protections. Rapid disappearance of welfare bucks could trigger massive unrest, crime, riots, property destruction, interrupted trade. We got make believe version of this for a few days during Covid, but this could last months with no real hope for resolution, with zombie nigs rampaging across cities, police forces abandoning posts, etc.

- what babies are being born very much depend on social stability so there could be a death spiral with larger and larger numbers of babies just dying or being aborted. Baby numbers could approach meaningful zero

- the demo collapse is indeed hitting africans and their ilk, but in a delayed fashion, so when the worst of it is hitting the west, places like Nigeria will still be 10-20 years behind. Not an impossible walk from Nigeria to Europe if you have 20 years to get there.

tldr it could be the end

Otoh, it could be some NEW SHIT. Humanity has certainly lived through NEW SHIT even if it has never seen THIS SHIT. If each occurrence spelled doom, we would be a pussy species and we really are not, all things considered. What a piece of work is a man. Most likely we come out of it, just very seriously altered... likely part cyber. What I think is immune from change is our need for mytho-religio-narrative, so whoever tf we are in 100 years, we will need a really new story. Great biz opportunity there for storytellers. You could be The Prophet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078650)

lmao at the spiciness that follows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078664)

A million people less of a normal population distribution is something humans have managed. A million people less but it's the 18-40 cohort is not something we've ever seen. Look at nyuug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5894945&forum_id=2…id#50078825)