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Will you watch my CA9 argument next week? "Swinging dicks" judge on panel (epah)

Next Tuesday at 9:00 PDT One of my judges is this fellow: h...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/01/26
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Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/01/26
what's it about, your fee award on trendsettah or some robin...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/02/26
Whether the UK company that owns OnlyFans is subject to pers...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/05/26
Lol jfc. Are there still open questions like *that* on inte...
Pontificating idiotic garrison
  06/05/26
It's not *actually an open question, it's just a kindly elde...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/05/26
Are you going after the "creators" individually?
obsidian persian prole
  06/09/26
The Creators did nothing wrong.
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/09/26
Might be the one time in history that class members would pr...
Pontificating idiotic garrison
  06/09/26
...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/05/26
This is tomorrow guys FYI
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/08/26
I will jump on as soon as my property tax protest hearing is...
Fighting Mahogany Abode
  06/08/26
Thanks man. First argument, and only 10 mins/side, so we'll...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/08/26
Orrick v EPAH Get your bets in now
Marvelous Hot Church Building
  06/08/26
epah by a mile
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/08/26
you've been litigating this since 2022? i didn't even reali...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/08/26
Lol, yeah. Our SOL goes back to summer 2018. By the time o...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/08/26
...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/08/26
Tremendous lawyering. I have not thought about such personal...
Fighting Mahogany Abode
  06/09/26
Lol thanks man. I’m now a little embarrassed to have e...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/09/26
You did good. You had the better argument. How long are you ...
Fighting Mahogany Abode
  06/09/26
It’s beautiful and 66 here rn but I’m headed bac...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/09/26
great report, sorry i missed it
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/09/26
What are damages like in Onlyfans-recurring-charges litigati...
obsidian persian prole
  06/09/26
On its face it's just restitution of the "unlawful"...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/09/26
...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/09/26
This isn't the most sympathetic class of plaintiffs though. ...
obsidian persian prole
  06/09/26
fraud is fraud
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/09/26
The money has to go somewhere. It’d be weird for a per...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/09/26
Just rewatched this. And realized that the case will likely...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/28/26
That Tall Man is Cr and 180
charismatic lilac french chef dilemma
  06/28/26
honestly i believe your scholarship carried the day here bef...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/30/26
Big surprise; we won. Height-of-lawyer theory remains u...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  06/30/26
...
charismatic lilac french chef dilemma
  06/30/26
congrats. what happens next in the case, is there a pile of ...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  06/30/26
This is just to establish that OF is subject to jurisdiction...
Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive
  07/01/26
...
Saffron Vigorous Plaza
  07/01/26


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Date: June 1st, 2026 11:44 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Next Tuesday at 9:00 PDT

One of my judges is this fellow: https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5845118&mc=6&forum_id=2#top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49910818)



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Date: June 1st, 2026 11:45 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49910820)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:52 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza

what's it about, your fee award on trendsettah or some robinson patman act stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49911719)



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Date: June 5th, 2026 4:19 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Whether the UK company that owns OnlyFans is subject to personal jurisdiction in CA.

(We've sued them under CA's Automatic Renewal Law for automatically renewing "Fans'" subscriptions to "Creators" without disclosing that it'll be a recurring charge. Our kindly elderly judge determined that they're not subject to Jx in CA because they hadn't "specifically targeted" California consumers)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49917025)



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Date: June 5th, 2026 4:24 PM
Author: Pontificating idiotic garrison

Lol jfc. Are there still open questions like *that* on internet minimum contacts? Just set up your site to not allow California IP addresses, like how when I take depos in red states now I have to use my imagination to jerk off because porn sites want my DL and birth certificate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49917027)



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Date: June 5th, 2026 4:30 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

It's not *actually an open question, it's just a kindly elderly judge who assumed that Orrick biglolyers probably know a lot about jurisdiction, so we should do what they say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49917032)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 1:58 PM
Author: obsidian persian prole

Are you going after the "creators" individually?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925493)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 3:23 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

The Creators did nothing wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925689)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 8:24 PM
Author: Pontificating idiotic garrison

Might be the one time in history that class members would prefer an in-kind suck-n-fuck coupon settlement over whatever nominal $$ they'd otherwise get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49926483)



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Date: June 5th, 2026 9:59 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49917746)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 3:11 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

This is tomorrow guys FYI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49923044)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 3:18 PM
Author: Fighting Mahogany Abode

I will jump on as soon as my property tax protest hearing is over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49923058)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 3:19 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Thanks man. First argument, and only 10 mins/side, so we'll be pau by 9:30 at the latest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49923061)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 3:13 PM
Author: Marvelous Hot Church Building

Orrick v EPAH

Get your bets in now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49923048)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 3:15 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

epah by a mile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49923052)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza

you've been litigating this since 2022? i didn't even realize onlyfans has been around that long - i guess it pays to be an early adopter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49924087)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Lol, yeah. Our SOL goes back to summer 2018. By the time of judgment it's going to be 10 years of all auto-renewals in CA. It'll be well over $1B by then. Unfortunately our only claim is under the UCL so it'll be a judge deciding, and obv he'll think of some way to pare it down, like perhaps to only the first renewal, and then say, "the user should have reviewed his cc statement and known better."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49924117)



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Date: June 8th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49924129)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 12:27 PM
Author: Fighting Mahogany Abode

Tremendous lawyering. I have not thought about such personal jurisdiction issues in years and the deep analysis was both majestic and scholarly. I also thought that your short rebuttal that put the focus back on the subsequent conduct of the Defendant was superb. Laser focused. You came back into the ring like Mike Tyson and dropped the mic on that nerd lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925237)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 12:43 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Lol thanks man. I’m now a little embarrassed to have even posted it, it was so uneventful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925288)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 12:45 PM
Author: Fighting Mahogany Abode

You did good. You had the better argument. How long are you staying in SF for? I wish I was in SF today. It's hot as fuck here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925300)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

It’s beautiful and 66 here rn but I’m headed back to the airport (after coming in at 6:00 on a redeye). Can’t stand to be away from HI even for a minute.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925471)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 7:52 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza

great report, sorry i missed it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49926434)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 1:59 PM
Author: obsidian persian prole

What are damages like in Onlyfans-recurring-charges litigation? Do plaintiffs have a duty to mitigate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925494)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 3:26 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

On its face it's just restitution of the "unlawful" charges. We have Judge Breyer who is supposed to be unafraid of nuclear judgments, so we'll see what unfolds (there's surprisingly little caselaw as to whether at some point the consumer is required to review their charges and unsubscribe -- perhaps especially once they've first realized how it works)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49925699)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 7:56 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49926437)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 8:00 PM
Author: obsidian persian prole

This isn't the most sympathetic class of plaintiffs though. What other remedies are available?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49926443)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza

fraud is fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49926552)



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Date: June 9th, 2026 9:08 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

The money has to go somewhere. It’d be weird for a person taking that moral view to conclude that it’s better for the pornographer to keep it than to give it back to the lonely masturbators and shut-ins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49926576)



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Date: June 28th, 2026 12:08 AM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Just rewatched this. And realized that the case will likely be decided by the height transition from 18:16 to 18:30: https://youtu.be/V3P2ZxZwI9E?t=1096

Esp at 19:11, when the video guy is like, "whoa, this is a Tall Man," and has to adjust the camera.

Basically game over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49966677)



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Date: June 28th, 2026 12:13 AM
Author: charismatic lilac french chef dilemma

That Tall Man is Cr and 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49966679)



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Date: June 30th, 2026 10:53 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza

honestly i believe your scholarship carried the day here before you even need to get to height, lol at that dude's argument that there's no onlyfans contact/aiming/directing to california

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49972710)



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Date: June 30th, 2026 2:40 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

Big surprise; we won.

Height-of-lawyer theory remains undefeated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49971482)



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Date: June 30th, 2026 10:38 PM
Author: charismatic lilac french chef dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49972680)



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Date: June 30th, 2026 11:03 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza

congrats. what happens next in the case, is there a pile of money as damages yet or is that the next step

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49972728)



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Date: July 1st, 2026 2:33 PM
Author: Smoky Bearded Boltzmann Depressive

This is just to establish that OF is subject to jurisdiction in CA. They've since changed their subscription process to more-or-less comply with the law, but there should still be tens of million$ in illegal charge$ that we can have refunded to the victims (minus 25% + costs).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49973861)



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Date: July 1st, 2026 7:21 PM
Author: Saffron Vigorous Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870537&forum_id=2�id.#49974508)