Date: April 9th, 2026 9:30 PM
Author: Pope Leo XXX
I asked Grok: Give me an unbiased estimate of the average IQ of the average carleton economics grad (Canada, not the top 10 liberal arts US university) vs the average Harvard economics graduate
Unbiased estimate: The average IQ of a typical Carleton University (Ottawa) economics graduate is roughly 110–115. For a typical Harvard economics graduate, it is roughly 128–132 (central estimates around 112 vs. 130). The gap is large (~15–20 points) and driven almost entirely by differences in admissions selectivity, not the economics major itself or anything that happens during the degree.
Key data and reasoning (no speculation or ideology)Harvard: Recent admitted/enrolled classes have an average SAT of 1540 (middle 50%: ~1500–1580). Direct IQ testing of Harvard undergraduates (e.g., abbreviated WAIS-R in a 2003 study of 86 students) gave a mean of ~128 before Flynn-effect adjustments; post-adjustment estimates in the cognitive-testing literature cluster around 125–130. Economics concentrators are drawn from the same highly selected pool as the rest of the college (admissions are not major-specific), and economics tends to be a relatively high-g major overall, so the average for Harvard econ graduates is very close to the college-wide figure (130 central estimate).
Carleton University (Ottawa) economics: Admissions use Ontario high-school percentages. The listed grade range for the Bachelor of Economics is 75% (minimum 70% overall + math prerequisite). Typical admitted students sit around 75–80%. This converts to a rough U.S. GPA equivalent of ~3.0–3.3. No official SAT data exists (not required), but that grade level is equivalent to an SAT range of roughly 1100–1200 for U.S. comparison purposes. Using established SAT-to-IQ approximations that norm against the general population (not just test-takers), this corresponds to an average IQ of ~108–112. Economics adds a modest positive selection (math prerequisite and major difficulty), pushing the graduate average to ~110–115. Acceptance rate is high (70–73% overall), consistent with modest cognitive selectivity.
Why the conversion methods are reasonable: SAT correlates ~0.7–0.8 with IQ/g in relevant populations. The formulas used here (e.g., modern-SAT approximations calibrated so median test-taker ~100 and top ~2% ~130) align with both direct IQ studies at elite schools and broader meta-analyses of university students. Recent large-scale data show overall university students (all institutions) now average ~102 IQ, so Carleton (a solid but non-elite Canadian research university) landing in the low 110s makes sense; Harvard’s extreme tail selection pushes it ~20 points higher.
Caveats (for full transparency): These are estimates based on admissions proxies + established test conversions. Direct IQ testing of economics graduates from either school does not exist in public data.
Within-university major differences are small compared with between-university differences. Economics is one of the higher-IQ majors on average (~5–8 points above the typical major), but this boost applies similarly (or slightly more) at both places.
IQ here means general cognitive ability (g-factor) as measured by standard tests; it does not capture motivation, personality, or specific skills that also matter for success.
Averages have standard deviations of ~12–15 in both groups, so plenty of overlap exists—many Carleton econ grads will outscore many Harvard ones.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5855566&forum_id=2#49807698)