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"Dark energy" is probably flame and not real

This might sound like a hot take at first glance, but it rea...
cucumbers
  01/16/26
It's probably neighboring universes squeezing up against our...
https://i.imgur.com/ovcBe0z.png
  01/16/26
It's actually probably not even a real thing, and further re...
cucumbers
  01/16/26
yeah, probably.
dupa driving a champagne 2005 lexus rx 330
  01/16/26
"Scientists" gave themselves a medal for inventing...
Bronus Swagner
  01/16/26
It’s a $CAM!
Online Men
  01/16/26
isn't dark energy the fudge factor needed to account for the...
UN peacekeeper
  01/16/26
I think there's a decent chance the acceleration calculation...
Yummy Phase Pol Pot
  01/16/26
One underlying point I'm making is that there is more than s...
cucumbers
  01/16/26
(guy who is subscribed to "Sabine Hossenfelder" on...
chopped and screwed millennial unc
  01/16/26
Do I sound like I fucking love science and follow physics Yo...
cucumbers
  01/16/26
lets make up something invisible and call it something and c...
[deleted by poaster]
  01/16/26
But the scientists said it was real.
Candy Ride
  01/16/26
what’s the deal on that small sample from the original...
fairy knight
  01/16/26
Two problems with that small sample: Physicists are not g...
cucumbers
  01/16/26
a lot of what these cosmologists and physicists don’t ...
fairy knight
  01/16/26
I lold at the scientists when they said reconciling relativi...
Online Men
  01/16/26
*angrily rips up pokemon card*
Candy Ride
  01/16/26
(Guy who never got a Ricky blank bump)
ALZABO
  01/16/26


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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:29 PM
Author: cucumbers

This might sound like a hot take at first glance, but it really is true.

"Dark energy" -- a "groundbreaking" "discovery" from 1998/1999 that led to a Nobel prize in physics. But that research was based on extremely flimsy foundations and assumptions along with a ridiculously insufficient and small set of data in terms of number of supernovae observed (around 100).

One assumption that has been questioned is the Chandrasekhar limit of the supernovae observed, as many supernovae have since been observed that violate this limit. The number of abnormalities observed has led to peer-reviewed studies in mainstream journals showing that the limit does likely vary depending on galaxy age and composition. This dependency nicely aligns with the "evidence" for dark matter. In other words, this alone provides sufficient doubt about the existence of dark energy as one of its key assumptions is simply wrong.

Perhaps there's an alternate explanation that still upholds the evidence for dark energy, so let's look elsewhere: that pitifully small sample from the original studies happens to align with the direction of the movement of the solar system relative to the CMB. This means that this flimsy "evidence" for dark energy is merely an effect of the Doppler shift. Larger sample sets (400+ supernovae) looking in all directions account for this effect and show no evidence for dark energy.

Okay, that last one is harder to ignore, but let's go further: the isotropic model of the universe only applies at the largest scales, but not at the scales used in the observational data from dark energy research. Without this isotropic assumption, it's uncontroversial to assume that different parts of the universe may be expanding at different rates depending on density. The "evidence" for dark energy fits the model of our region of space simply being slightly under-dense.

More recent, automated dark energy surveys have been partially and quietly released that contradict the "dark energy" model.

Is it possible to revoke a Nobel prize? libs? do you still fucking love science?

TLDR: the "discovery" of dark energy was extremely premature, based on very faulty assumptions with a pitifully small set of data, and just flat-out wrong. Physics is fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595356)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:30 PM
Author: https://i.imgur.com/ovcBe0z.png


It's probably neighboring universes squeezing up against ours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595362)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: cucumbers

It's actually probably not even a real thing, and further research into it is probably a waste of resources and time at this point.

Note that my screed is based on mainstream, peer-reviewed publications and not crackpots on the internet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595387)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: dupa driving a champagne 2005 lexus rx 330

yeah, probably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595405)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Bronus Swagner

"Scientists" gave themselves a medal for inventing a magical concept that explains why their models are wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595392)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:49 PM
Author: Online Men

It’s a $CAM!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595408)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: UN peacekeeper

isn't dark energy the fudge factor needed to account for the calculated rate of accereleration of the expansion of the universe? are you questioning the accuracy of that calculation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595398)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:51 PM
Author: Yummy Phase Pol Pot

I think there's a decent chance the acceleration calculations are wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595419)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 9:13 PM
Author: cucumbers

One underlying point I'm making is that there is more than sufficient evidence to question that the "acceleration of the expansion of the universe" is even happening.

That "fudge factor," AKA the cosmological constant, was simply a largely undefined placeholder needed to balance out Einstein's equations until "dark energy" neatly explained it. However, the value and meaning of the fudge factor has been questioned due to the reasons I listed.

The latest research into "dark energy" involves automated surveys of huge numbers of stars, galaxies, etc. This research is ongoing and only some data has been released, but what it indicates is there are significant deviations from the "dark energy" model that could likely be explained without the need for dark energy; it could merely be a result of minor variations in density across the scales needed to measure "dark energy," as I mentioned in the OP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595468)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: chopped and screwed millennial unc

(guy who is subscribed to "Sabine Hossenfelder" on youtube)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595411)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 9:14 PM
Author: cucumbers

Do I sound like I fucking love science and follow physics YouTubers? Modern physics is mostly fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595470)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: [deleted by poaster] (my rich inner screens)

lets make up something invisible and call it something and challenge everyone else to prove it wrong. or right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595412)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:51 PM
Author: Candy Ride

But the scientists said it was real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595418)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: fairy knight

what’s the deal on that small sample from the original studies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595430)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 9:29 PM
Author: cucumbers

Two problems with that small sample:

Physicists are not good at statistics. There were around 100 supernovae total between the two research groups, so around 50 each. n = ~50 is simply not large enough to confidently make complicated cosmological predictions like dark energy.

The samples did not account for something as simple as Doppler shift.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595517)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: fairy knight

a lot of what these cosmologists and physicists don’t realize is you can’t simply build a “model” of God or understand Him from scientific observation alone. Attempting to do so will only cause further frustration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595551)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Online Men

I lold at the scientists when they said reconciling relativity with our observations requires the assumption that 95% of the mass in the universe is not observable. Lol. Maybe relativity is wrong, dumfucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595433)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 9:07 PM
Author: Candy Ride

*angrily rips up pokemon card*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595455)



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Date: January 16th, 2026 9:54 PM
Author: ALZABO

(Guy who never got a Ricky blank bump)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823055&forum_id=2#49595568)