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Taking Q's on Classical Music (1650 - 1975) ONLY for a limited time (TBF)
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:17 PM Author: Frozen Parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630837) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2022 11:28 PM Author: Titillating Laser Beams Theater Salieri was da man! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#44451582) |
Date: December 18th, 2021 12:18 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry favorite american composer post and pre WWII? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630846) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:22 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Limiting this to American-born composers who primarily composed "concert music" (i.e. excluding Broadway / Pop / Jazz composers who also occasionally wrote classical pieces):
Pre-WWII: Charles Ives (mostly for his attitude and historical significance)
Post-WWI: Samuel Barber |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Vivacious white university Why didn’t Britain produce any great composers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630849) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630853) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:25 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
It did produce a few (Purcell, Elgar, Britten, etc.), but it's definitely one of the weakest facets of their otherwise strong cultural achievement and there are long periods of history where there is no major native-born figure of importance that they can even pretend to brag about, so it's a good question.
The "popular" academic answer is that the combined effects of Handel + Mendelssohn (both of whom spent a tremendous amount of their respective careers in Britain and were very popular with the royals and thus exerted an overpowering influence on the island to a degree that no single composer ever did across mainland Europe) + the extremely hierarchical class and social system of the country (which allegedly helped to amplify this effect) combined to turn British musical culture into a musically stagnant knockoff factory for ~250 years. I'm not sure I entirely buy that explanation; it could also be that Brits are just fucking faggots who lack souls. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: aggressive tattoo music is just vibrations you study vibrations |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:26 PM Author: Frozen Parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630891) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:08 PM Author: aggressive tattoo wow those are sweet vibrations what are your favorite vibrations? |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 9:38 PM Author: Coiffed Razzmatazz Home Chad Good Vibrations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634418) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Mahogany parlour coldplay fan what was the best new classical music in 1964 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630852) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:30 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Off the top of my head: Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Messaien, Britten were all still active at that time, and I would say Britten's War Requiem (1962) and Shostakovich's 13th Symphony (same) were the strongest works that had recently been produced by that quartet which immediately come to mind. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:07 PM Author: Mahogany parlour coldplay fan ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631714) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630854) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:32 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
It wasn't, it was just different (except unironically).
Bach is the epitome of the Baroque and there is absolutely nothing "classical" about his style.
Mahler was one of the greatest conductors of all time and a first rank composer, but he is nevertheless grossly overrated today (he's a more popular symphonist than Brahms lmao) because we live in a sick and morally deranged society run by evil Jews for their own benefit and self-aggrandizement.
Messiaen is 173. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:38 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630972) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:42 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Messian also extends beyond 1975.
I don't know Grisey well.
Messiaen was a bit of a modern-day Berlioz, and there are some substantial weaknesses in his fundamental compositional technique (just like Berlioz) which he partially but not entirely offsets with his incredible ear for color / sonority and phenomenal creativity (just like Berlioz).
Please elaborate on the ways that Bach was "an early influence on Classical" (whatever you think that means). The Rococo Style -- which was a direct precursor to the Classical Style and a temporally intermediate link between the Baroque period and the Classical period -- shares almost nothing in common with Baroque Style, and the early Classical Style was built out of the Rococo Style. It was actually only much later in the Classical period that Mozart etc. began to really rediscovered Bach / Handel and systematically explore their music and incorporate notable elements of purposeful structured counterpoint etc. into their own music. But that would make Bach an influence on later Classical period music, not on the Classical Style as a whole, and certainly not as an "early" influence on the development of Classical Style. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:46 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631009) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:47 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Check out CPE Bach. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:52 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631039) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Lascivious hilarious roast beef step-uncle's house Classical is TTT compared to Baroque. Would you agree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630856) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
I would not.
Baroque: Vivaldi, Handel, Bach.
Classical: Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven.
I think the classical period holds up just fine. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:43 PM Author: Lascivious hilarious roast beef step-uncle's house I'm inclined to disagree. Bach was NEXT LEVEL, even compared with Mozart and Beethoven. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631000) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:50 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Bach is God, but Beethoven arguably produced the single greatest and most stylistically wide-ranging collection of musical masterpieces ever created by a single human and he is also arguably the single most historically important cultural figure in the direct development of Western music.
It's pretty much common consensus that Mozart was the single greatest all-around musical genius in recorded history, taking into account all facets of his gifts. Mozart also died at just 36 and Bach lived to 65, so it's impossible to say what Mozart would have produced if he was given Bach's time on earth. The counterpoint at the end of the final movement of the Jupiter Symphony rivals pretty much anything that Bach ever wrote, and I don't say that lightly.
Finally, even if Bach > Mozart and Beethoven (debatable but possible), Mozart + Beethoven + Haydn are collectively definitely > Bach + Handel + Vivaldi are collectively. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:36 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike This is a good take (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631261) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:16 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631402) |
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Date: December 20th, 2021 9:18 AM Author: Orchid Vigorous New Version Multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43642202) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 11:06 PM Author: effete house crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#48998309) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:22 PM Author: internet-worthy church do you think black superiority is musical composition only became evident recently because they have historically been unexposed, or do you think that black genius was systemically suppressed until recently? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630873) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Tyft |
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Date: March 21st, 2024 11:02 PM Author: Swollen resort generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#47514622) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:23 PM Author: Indigo beady-eyed candlestick maker Most virtuosic piece you’ve ever played?
Different answer for hardest piece? |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
I'm gay |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:23 PM Author: yellow windowlicker Who do you admire most and why? Bach, Beethoven, or Mozart? Also vote for me in MpM today bro pls |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:25 PM Author: passionate glassy forum Beethoven as Jeff Spicoli: "lol, those guys are fags!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630885) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:34 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
They're all immortal geniuses but Bach is God. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: Cruel-hearted exciting legend azn Are there are good black composers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630980) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:44 PM Author: Lascivious hilarious roast beef step-uncle's house Beethoven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631003) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:47 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
In the realm of classical music?
The best are probably Chevalier de Saint-Georges, Samuel Coleridge-Taylor ("The Black Mahler"), William Grant Still ("The Dean of African American Composers"), and George Walker. None of them deserve to be discussed alongside the truly great white classical composers. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:41 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43630988) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:59 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Theremin and Ondes Martenot are both very difficult instruments that sound amazing when played well.
The Hurdy-gurdy is cool but I wouldn't choose to listen to it for very long. The Zither is an awesome instrument. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:00 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631080) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:44 PM Author: mischievous market why end in 1975 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631004) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:00 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Because classical music after 1975 has mostly been a bunch of comparatively talentless neurotic kikes and homosexual faggots prancing around in the ivory tower jacking off for music theorists, and I don't want to waste my time rating Thomas Ades or whatever just because some pretentious pumo wants to name drop him in this thread. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:48 PM Author: mischievous market is Stockhausen prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631020) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:01 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(Helicopter pilot) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:43 PM Author: mischievous market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631579) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:51 PM Author: mischievous market who’s the gayest composer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631033) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:01 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Physically or spiritually? |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 12:52 PM Author: mischievous market post-neoclassical Elliott Carter: trash? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631041) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:01 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Life is too short for Elliott Carter (except ironically for his) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:03 PM Author: Arousing lay friendly grandma Classical period ended circa 1800 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631104) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:05 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
It never ended in my heart / anus. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: aqua naked depressive field Do you still have your marching band uniform? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631113) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:07 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Do you still have your foreskin? |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:30 PM Author: aqua naked depressive field (totally normal, 100% straight, morally pure christian bro casually asking a stranger on the internet for details about his penis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631231) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:34 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(Open-minded liberal Jewish Democrat lawyer shaking his head judgingly at this "blue humor" as he also simultaneously closet-shames a suspected homosexual man) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:37 PM Author: aqua naked depressive field yeah, bro haha nothing to see here haha. just your friendly neighborhood tbf, red blooded all-american conservative gun-toting white guy who loves pussy and boobs haha. just go ahead and tell me about your penis haha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631265) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:39 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
This is certainly a new angle -- let's see where he goes with this, folx! |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:35 PM Author: Soul-stirring Boistinker Travel Guidebook how is this different from asking about his marching band uniform? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631256) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:35 PM Author: Frozen Parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631259) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:57 PM Author: frum mediation (Literal Jew who started it, acting in accordance with his deceptive nature and portraying himself as a victim) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632036) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 1:40 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike most underrated and overrated composers or pieces? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631277) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:17 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Underrated: Scriabin, Albeniz, Enescu
Overrated: John Williams, Vivaldi, all of the Minimalists |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:24 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike tyty. Scriabin is a revelation! I actually don't know much Albeniz or Enescu so this will give me something to dig into (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631836) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:28 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Early Scriabin is *very* different from late Scriabin. Bear that in mind as you explore. You can tell that it comes from the same mind, on some level, but the musical language is like night and day. Early Scriabin sounds kind of like Russified Chopin. Late Scriabin sounds like nothing else.
Albeniz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13GcRQSPxU
Enescu (written when he was 18): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfxC0j9mbwQ |
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Date: December 20th, 2021 6:12 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43645539) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:24 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631444) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:55 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Re-read the thread title nigger |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry horrid. the euphonium especially is an abomination and blight upon mankind (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631657) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:16 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631786) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:30 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry that sounds chill. Im just a French Horn Supremacist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631875) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:06 PM Author: Coiffed Razzmatazz Home Chad I like JP Souza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631709) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:41 PM Author: mind-boggling gunner Rate John Philip Sousa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631562) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:56 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Not sure he really fits within the stated confines of this thread topic, but he's 180 for military marches, 158 for his other work, and 162 overall. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 10:14 PM Author: tan stirring corn cake Harsh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634523) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: Fear-inspiring pearl office toaster Rate Gershwin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631654) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:01 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
180 as a Broadway / Tin Pan Alley composer
172 as a natural musical talent
165 in terms of his actual accomplishments within the realm of concert music prior to his untimely death |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: mischievous market thoughts on Sorabji? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631656) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 2:57 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631659) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:01 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
95% actual fraudlies, 3% amusing hokum, 2% genius (maybe) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:07 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry which works do you put in that 2%? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631717) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:16 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
None, that is the universal breakdown for every single one of his compositions |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:30 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631867) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:27 PM Author: mischievous market Piano Sonata no. 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631856) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:05 PM Author: Galvanic set karate rate me as a poster using the sole metric of I cannot stand baroque music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631702) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:16 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
You are a nigger |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:15 PM Author: Vivacious white university Prokofiev vs Stravinsky? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631778) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:18 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Prokofiev was the greater natural melodist. Stravinsky was the greater everything else. Both were very fine composers, of course.
Musicians love Stravinsky more than Prokofiev because they are trained to respond to craft, and Stravinsky kicked Prokofiev's ass in all of the "professional" metrics and was god-tier as a craftsman. Audiences generally love Prokofiev more than Stravinsky (except for Stravinsky's three early ballet scores) because audiences always have and always will love melody above almost everything else. That's also why they love Tchaikovsky over both of them. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:22 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631822) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:25 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631846) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 10:14 PM Author: tan stirring corn cake Insightful and 100% cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634521) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:16 PM Author: cheese-eating sound barrier pisswyrm fuck my ass? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631791) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:19 PM Author: Frozen Parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631804) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: hyperactive balding library Leck mich im Arsch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632460) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:17 PM Author: Floppy Medicated Plaza Rate this song yes it’s off topic
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcvH3VMdA4g |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:18 PM Author: Floppy Medicated Plaza How much commonality do you feel with this guy who also loved loved loved classical music?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:21 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631816) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:32 PM Author: Floppy Medicated Plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631883) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:22 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631818) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:22 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
I'm gay |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:23 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Garnet Masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631827) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:29 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike best classical piano performances/recordings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631864) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:31 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
This is so broad that I won't even bother trying to respond, also stfu pumo |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:32 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike ? i'm gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631886) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:33 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Yes but are you retarded |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:33 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry get glenn gould playing Bach WTC if youre a noob
also bernstein conducts gershwin |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:34 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(Guy who forgot about the Gould playing Goldberg and also the Richter recordings of the Prokofiev "War" Sonatas and also Rachmaninoff playing Rachmaninoff and Kreisler playing Kreisler and Josef Hofmann playing basically anything and also etc etc the list goes on) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:47 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike I love Gould playing Bach, Richter playing Rach, Rach playing Rach, Rubinstein playing Chopin and Brahms ballades. Not familiar w Kreisler or Hofman tyty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631978) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:50 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Lots of people think that Arthur Rubinstein and Vladimir Horowitz etc. were "the greatest pianists of the 20th century". They're obviously very high level, but they're not even close to the top. The generation of pianists who came before them and sadly left relatively few recordings (Rosenthal, Lhevinne, Hofmann, etc.) far surpassed them in many ways and represented the true golden age of pianism.
Just listen to Lhevinne's recording of Chopin's etude in thirds or his own arrangement of Strauss's "Blue Danube" for a small taste of that vanished and little known musical world. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:52 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike tyty, I will check those out. And I appreciate the historical note, but I would carve myself out from those people -- I'm not trying to say Rubinstein was the best, and he has a number of recording especially late in his career that do nothing for me, but I think he plays the nocturnes and the ballades like a magician (and Chopin being a top composer, this is an accomplishment). And Horowitz never did much for me idk
edit: i also love Kissin, if this helps you judge me |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:55 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Rubinstein is a fine Chopin interpreter, but I'm not aware of anything in his recorded oeuvre that really matches this level of interpretation or execution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eU2k0VaMQo (Hofmann, recorded after he was already a serious alcoholic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWPpBwTcXA (Lhevinne)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECn-oe3bOQ (Rosenthal, recorded in old age -- the second one especially is incredible)
Etc. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:19 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike Thank you! Wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632153) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:47 PM Author: Well-lubricated Azure Mad-dog Skullcap 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634141) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:33 PM Author: mischievous market what is the Cr recording of Ives’s Piano Sonata no. 2? you are a fraud if you give the wrong answer here btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631896) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:37 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
This thread stops at 1975 so any recordings that post-date that are outside the scope and also QED Kirkpatrick automatically wins for purely historical reasons and also FUCK YOU NIGGE |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:38 PM Author: mischievous market forgot the 1975 limit. that automatically makes you a fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631924) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:38 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(septic queer) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:39 PM Author: mischievous market no one will ever top Stephen Drury (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631931) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:40 PM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry nvm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631936) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:41 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(Marc-Andre Hamelin sightreading a Sorabji sonata from the original manuscript score and simultaneously transposing it into F# major on the spot as background musical accompaniment while Drury grunts and reluctantly backs up to accept the mount from the ghost of Charles Ives who smirks and calls him a lily-livered little tin-eared sissy boy) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:42 PM Author: mischievous market 180
i have an irrational hatred of nearly all Hamelin recordings |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:40 PM Author: Ocher National can classical music be considered prole? if so, who are the most prole composers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631934) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:46 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Yes. For goys, that would be the wallpaper-tier subset of Baroque composers (Telemann etc) who they incorrectly think are "fancy". For Jews, that would be the Minimalists (Reich, Glass, Riley, etc.), who are also all wallpaper-tier, but whom posing kikes seem to incorrectly think are "deep". |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:19 PM Author: Ocher National ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632157) |
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Date: December 20th, 2021 9:20 AM Author: aggressive tattoo does this sound like glass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ky01vC8sf4 |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:41 PM Author: Fragrant poppy shrine striped hyena Did you watch Get Back and do you like the Beatles? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631943) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:43 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
“Theirs [the Beatles] is a happy, cocky, belligerently resourceless brand of harmonic primitivism... In the Liverpudlian repertoire, the indulged amateurishness of the musical material, though closely rivaled by the indifference of the performing style, is actually surpassed only by the ineptitude of the studio production method. 'Strawberry Fields' suggests a chance encounter at a mountain wedding between Claudio Monteverdi and a jug band.” -- Glenn Gould |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:29 PM Author: seedy self-centered temple preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632241) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 7:54 PM Author: Well-lubricated Azure Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633749) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:46 PM Author: mischievous market you are missing out with the 1975 cut-off. tons of great composers, performers, pretty much whatever we want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631969) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:46 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(Caroline Shaw) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:48 PM Author: mischievous market holy shit Rzewski died a few months ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43631981) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:51 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
So did Penderecki |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:58 PM Author: Excitant Macaca Is the 2nd movement of Moonlight Sonata just filler or would it stand on its own if not sandwiched between the greatest piano pieces ever written? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632042) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:02 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
That's a great movement libtard |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:03 PM Author: Excitant Macaca you are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632067) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 3:59 PM Author: mischievous market Xenakis: Synaphai or Keqrops? oh wait, Keqrops is too “modern” for you. such a fraud. it’s time for you to retire in shame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632046) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:05 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
(Ghost of Julius Eastman giving panel of gay Jewish judges the finger before a cheering crowd of degenerate and mildly retarded New York "socialites" as he declines to accept the 2022 Pulitzer Prize in Music, which is being awarded for his new posthumous suite, "Fuck You Gay Niggerfaggots From Space WGWAG WGWAG PS: Anus (For Three Violins and Buttplug Vibrator)," while septic queer screams "Oh the modern musical culture!" from behind his four N95s and then immediately faints from lack of oxygen at the back of the socially-distanced-yet-still-crowded concert hall) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:08 PM Author: mischievous market (racist that unknowingly facilitated Eastman’s crack addiction) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632099) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:12 PM Author: mischievous market Synaphai >>>> Keqrops btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632116) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:16 PM Author: Big marketing idea gay wizard How did the cunts like Mozart and shit go about creating Western harmony (octave concept, time signatures, modes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632127) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:17 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Rate me as an altered octatonic tone cluster in the tonality of Lydian natural minor hehe |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:18 PM Author: Big marketing idea gay wizard Just answer the question, son. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632145) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:21 PM Author: chrome unholy boltzmann kitchen As someone who only knows the most famous classical music, are there some pieces you would suggest that would introduce me to a lesser-known artists or styles? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632170) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:29 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe go fuck yourself.
What do you like? |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:49 PM Author: chrome unholy boltzmann kitchen Fuck you too.
Beethoven Tchaikovsky Wagner, I have no depth on classical music. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:00 PM Author: walnut splenetic corner filthpig Gorgeous trio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632486) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:22 PM Author: cobalt twisted stage Best Jewish composer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632173) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:32 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Mendelssohn was probably the most naturally brilliant. Gershwin might have had the greatest purely melodic gift. Schoenberg is unquestionably the most historically important (for better or worse, I think most people would say for worse in 2021). Mahler is everyone's favorite now, but consider the state of modern society before you decide whether that makes him truly great or not. Johann Strauss was technically Jewish too, I guess, but his stuff -- while highly enjoyable -- is all unapologetically "light" in nature and was basically the pop / Broadway of his day and has no pretense to depth.
...and just like that, we have completed out tour of the great Jewish composers in Western classical music history (excluding Broadway composers) prior to 1975. Huh. Crazy how even though they dominate high level musically interpretive spheres like performance, and excel at churning out "popular" music, and have been deeply involved in European and American music for centuries, Jews clearly aren't actually some sort of all-mighty master race when it comes to actually creating original musical works at the very highest levels of intellectual, artistic, and spiritual achievement (Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Wagner, etc.-level immortal masterpieces of depth and beauty). Strange! Wonder if there are any conclusions we could possibly draw from that! |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 10:20 PM Author: Concupiscible Volcanic Crater Korngold’s Die Tote Stadt shits all over this response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634546) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 10:28 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
As one critic of the day put it regarding Korngold's violin concerto: "Ultimately, his serious work seems to be more corn than gold." |
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Date: December 20th, 2021 11:16 AM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry lol can you find a goy who agrees? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43642773) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:33 PM Author: Big marketing idea gay wizard OP is a phaggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632267) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:41 PM Author: Big marketing idea gay wizard OP is a phaggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632339) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:41 PM Author: Big marketing idea gay wizard OP is a phaggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632340) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:41 PM Author: Big marketing idea gay wizard OP is a phaggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632346) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 4:50 PM Author: hot legal warrant non antisemitic thoughts on Aaron Copeland? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632416) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:04 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
*Copland
**"...born Aaron Kaplan, in Brooklyn, New York, in..."
You mean the neurotic short ugly gay bald hooknosed little wheezing kike thief who shamelessly stole all of "his" best / most famous musical ideas from other sources, e.g.:
"Hoedown" from "Rodeo": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsReWx9XdNs
Oh wait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeQucos9-M
"Simple Gifts" from "Appalachian Spring:": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6RYZygevA'
Oh wait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RPUjuraS5U
And that was all after he consciously decided to sell out for money and popularity in the 1940's, incidentally. Before then -- back when he was "trying" to be a "serious concert artist" -- he was writing horribly ugly atonal Jewish bullshit like this (which no one listens to anymore):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1-vIw_M-Qg
So to answer your question: Sorry, I don't have any. |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:02 PM Author: walnut splenetic corner filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632496) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:13 PM Author: mischievous market Henry Cowell vs. George Antheil who wins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632584) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:19 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Cowell is both the better composer and also the more historically important American musical figure |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:41 PM Author: mischievous market without googling what’s the oldest piece you can think of that uses tone clusters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632812) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:47 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Scarlatti sonatas |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:51 PM Author: mischievous market weak. fraud confirmed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632888) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:52 PM Author: mischievous market actually Scarlatti is older than i thought whoops (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632898) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 6:10 PM Author: Frozen Parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633023) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 11:05 PM Author: effete house crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#48998307) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 5:54 PM Author: mischievous market what is the Cr Scarlatti sonata? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43632912) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 9:37 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Lol there are like a million, idk just stick with whatever Horowitz or Michelangeli recorded |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: mischievous market Scelsi: talent or fraud? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633899) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 9:37 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Yes |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:15 PM Author: mischievous market is Busoni overrated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633914) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 9:37 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Yes and no |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:15 PM Author: dun nubile senate what is your ranked list of top 10 operas? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633915) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 9:37 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Too lazy to attempt this |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:16 PM Author: startling curious pozpig best HOOKED ON CLASSICS lp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633927) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:19 PM Author: mischievous market how did a fraud like Ferneyhough end up at Stanford? 1975 Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43633939) |
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Date: December 20th, 2021 11:15 AM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry its a university lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43642770) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 8:30 PM Author: mischievous market Alkan: why so many notes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634033) |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 9:38 PM Author: Frozen Parlor To be fair,
Jew |
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Date: December 18th, 2021 11:10 PM Author: dun nubile senate 120 thread. would not recommend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43634728) |
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Date: December 20th, 2021 11:14 AM Author: plum wrinkle dingle berry do you think Vivaldi is better than Couperin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#43642765) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2022 10:58 PM Author: Titillating Laser Beams Theater Check out dat naked Salzburg bush at 4:12, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcysh_MduDU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#44451411) |
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Date: May 13th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: Gold gas station national security agency Top 5 violin concertos? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#44506890) |
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Date: May 13th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: Vivacious white university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#44506893) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 11:04 PM Author: effete house crotch 180 thread, i come back to it sometimes when i want to find new composers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#48998305) |
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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:10 PM Author: Frozen Parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4987635&forum_id=2#49009719) |