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Date: May 16th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Rough-skinned center https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/comments/1knr08u/harvard_sticker_vs_ucla/
It’d be about $80k more for me to attend Harvard (which is close to home for me). UCLA gave me some scholarship (not a lot) but there tuition is generally cheaper x i want to do big law for 3-4 years (in Los Angeles) and then eventually work in house as a GC for an entertainment company. Thoughts? Not to throw all my details out there but This is $160k vs $240k.. |
Date: May 16th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Rough-skinned center The difference in terms of reputation and placement is not as great as some here are suggesting. HLS is currently tied with Duke for #6 in the USNWR rankings. UCLA is ranked #12.
HLS places 67% of grads in law firms and 56% of those in big law (=38%). UCLA places 71% of grads in law firms and 50% of those in big law (=36%).
When you add in entertainment industry and desire to work in LA, it amounts to a fairly compelling argument for UCLA, especially with the price tag differential. |
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Date: May 16th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Rough-skinned center You are the only person making sense in the thread. Wants to work in LA after school but is trying to convince themselves Harvard? 3k miles away. Yes Harvard is better a school, but not by much. The employment outcomes are identical for big law (250-500+ lawyers is top 53% of class for both) yet one is already in LA and you’re getting a scholarship. UCLA would be the best option |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:34 AM Author: Crystalline quadroon lol this guy is suggesting OP has a 38% chance of getting biglaw out of HLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946861) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946923) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:57 AM Author: gold dingle berry Studios are all run by aging boomers and/or tech dorks who are all huge prestige whores. Boomers still think of UCLA as basically one step up from community college. See also Scott Galloway talking about how he was a useless burnout in high school and sloughed his way over to UCLA because it had an 80% acceptance rate in the early 80s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946940) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:06 AM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946803) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:08 AM Author: mewling electric sound barrier That is some bad advice. I wonder who those people are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946806) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:24 AM Author: Rough-skinned center The difference in terms of reputation and placement is not as great as some here are suggesting. HLS is currently tied with Duke for #6 in the USNWR rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946837) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:35 AM Author: splenetic step-uncle's house both Nintendo Switch and Playstation 5 have games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946862) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: vigorous citrine police squad gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946835) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:25 AM Author: pea-brained galvanic trump supporter field sounds like asian wife no matter what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946843) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:26 AM Author: irradiated bespoke doctorate parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946846) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:32 AM Author: splenetic step-uncle's house 80% jews wherever you go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946855) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:43 AM Author: flushed church azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946880) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: gold dingle berry Issue with UCLA (and all the back end of the T14, see also UT, GULC, Cornell) is that it’s hard to get biglaw if you aren’t top 25% or have some other hook (eg want to do IP and have a hard science ug degree, though I hear LLMs may have killed that path). HLS part of what you pay for is the ability to not try at all in lol school, fog a mirror at OCI and have multiple offers from the firms in LA that will only take top 10% from UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946950) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947006) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:22 AM Author: bateful philosopher-king i think even the bottom t14 is mirror-fogging into biglol these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947011) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:36 AM Author: gold dingle berry Still it has to be a major difference getting an offer at Latham/OMM/MTO/Quinn. The one caveat would be if you have zero LA contacts story. If you just like LA but never lived there and don’t have any family there you might be better off at UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947031) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: bateful philosopher-king sure and i'm sure if you want to go into something sexy like entertainment law going to HLS helps too. i'm just saying bottom t14 are sleepwalking into biglaw generally. ofc there are still levels and bottom 25% at law centers aren't getting cravath offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947042) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:50 AM Author: gold dingle berry Still wild to hear about this. The American law firm is such a preposterously bad business model for 95+% of the people working within it and 99+% of its customers. It’s insane to me that it had endured as well as it has while so many other industries with fewer obvious and less pronounced defects are turned upside down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947063) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:58 AM Author: bateful philosopher-king it's the same as health insurance, taxes, etc. the people making the rules have a vested interest in perpetuating the system that employs them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947076) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 8:22 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48949053) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:24 AM Author: Floppy Pistol lol, a school like Cornell is placing ~80% in biglaw these days. It isn't 2011.
166/196 grads in firms of 250+ or fed clerkship. https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Cornell-Law-School-Class-of-2024-ABA-Data-Summary.pdf |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:33 AM Author: gold dingle berry Whoa wtf!?!? I need to be more judgmental of all of these juniors, then. I’ve been assuming that they got good grades if they were outside the T10 (the real one ie HYSCCNPBVM). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947025) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:54 PM Author: splenetic step-uncle's house they're all working at pryor cashman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947265) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:38 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48949817) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:15 PM Author: Salmon juggernaut 80% Jews is always the more prestigious and intellectually rigorous option (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947118) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:31 AM Author: Concupiscible topaz institution circlehead i would think an HLS admit would get more money out of UCLA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946854) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:36 AM Author: Rough-skinned center if you haven't been following along, law school admissions have jumped the shark. everyone scores 175+ now that they have gimped the LSAT and people caught onto the "accomodations" game to get 2x time while taking the test at home. average GPAs are like 3.95 because everyone graduating did college from home during COVID when professors handed out As to everyone for signing into zoom and cheating on tests. overall grade inflation is out of control and most people in non-joke majors don't apply to law school at all anymore.
and post affirmative action, your "essays" *wink wink* are where you get your DEI points for "lived experience."
you have white guys with 3.8/177s getting shut out of T6 schools while minorities with 3.6/168 are getting into HYS and making TikTok's lecturing you on how "your essays really matter folks!!! numbers aren't everything!!!" |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:39 AM Author: Concupiscible topaz institution circlehead wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946872) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: Rough-skinned center https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/s/cnkwJiFqub
Hispanic + 4.0 in queer studies + 173 with 2x time from home = admitted to every law school with full scholarships |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: Rough-skinned center Essays: I cannot stress how important I think essays are!!! I wrote every single optional essay and why essay. I even visited a couple schools before applying that I knew were really "fit" sensitive. I really think we downplay the importance of essays. Stats get you in the door, but essays seal the deal imo. I have good stats, but I definitely think I outperformed my stats. My essays, I can say now, without a doubt a probably some of the best I've ever written. I really took my time with them and put my heart on my sleeve. My personal statement was deeply tied to my experiences as a FGLI applicant, and I have no regrets really putting my story out there. It was a risk, but I think it paid off. My advice is take your time with your essays so that you can give your writing time to breathe. Take the time to reflect on your experiences to try to build your best and most cohesive narrative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946917) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:23 AM Author: purple boiling water preventive strike My essays, I can say now, without a doubt a probably some of the best I've ever written. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947014) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:29 AM Author: Rough-skinned center My personal statement was deeply tied to my experiences as a FGLI applicant, and I have no regrets really putting my story out there. It was a risk, but I think it paid off.
Oh what a risk! |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: tan useless brakes lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947043) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:43 AM Author: Crystalline quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947054) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:45 AM Author: bateful philosopher-king it's terrifying that this victim mentality is so ingrained in zoomers that this was poasted unironically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947057) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:06 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947091) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:50 PM Author: Concupiscible topaz institution circlehead it's really unbelievable, there's no awareness, no cynicism at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947239) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:58 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947287) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: bateful philosopher-king jfc what a Joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946925) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: aphrodisiac ruddy dog poop and a criminal!
"C&F: Not insignificant C&F issue from 2.5 years ago. Had to write addenda at most schools. Not a serious crime, but falls in line with financial issues (e.g, financial distress). I actually ended up writing my personal statement about this and how my experience with this c&f issue changed my approach to law and the kind of advocate I want to be for my own clients. This was a risk, because I really put it all out there, but I think it paid off immensely." |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48946928) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 4:26 PM Author: Cerebral stag film hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48948320) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48948453) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: pea-brained galvanic trump supporter field Even tho absolutely nobody liked my asian wife joke (which was great), im heartened by this thread picking up so many posts.
We long to debate schools, lists of schools, admission decisions, and such. We LONG for it. It is in are soul |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:59 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947295) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:22 PM Author: Maniacal painfully honest mediation potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48956970) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: dashing plaza You guys mock but i had a friend from undergrad who chose UCLA over Yale because he wanted to work in film production, they actually hired him as an actor because he had UCLA on his resume, he has been leading man in some big films and won a golden globe. But sure he'd rather be in house at Nabisco or whatever 🙄 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48947275) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 4:47 PM Author: Floppy Pistol film scouts snatch up the tallest, handsomest men from all the top law schools, not just UCLA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48948366) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:21 PM Author: Maniacal painfully honest mediation potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48956969) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 5:34 PM Author: vivacious deranged den voyeur harvard and it's not even close
you can make up full cost vs tuition free ucla simply by running a few turos on the side while at hls. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 1:20 PM Author: Rough-skinned center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48956432) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:11 PM Author: splenetic step-uncle's house most distinguished alum of UCLA: Kirstin Gillibrand
most distinguished alum of HLS: Elie Mystal |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:19 PM Author: Overrated Crimson Kitty Karate This is why you should include where you got admitted in your education section on your resume, not just where you went. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2#48956962) |