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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Mustard Den
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
excitant casino
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
spectacular hyperactive hissy fit
  12/18/25
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Supple lodge doctorate
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Rose Kitty Cat New Version
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Rose Kitty Cat New Version
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
appetizing partner
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Rose Kitty Cat New Version
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
galvanic umber mother faggot firefighter
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
wonderful factory reset button
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Lemon Cuckold
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Mustard Den
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Lemon Cuckold
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Mustard Den
  12/18/25
180
Lemon Cuckold
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
bateful sadistic address
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Hideous indigo famous landscape painting
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
bateful sadistic address
  12/18/25
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Hideous indigo famous landscape painting
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
galvanic umber mother faggot firefighter
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Slate selfie potus
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Mustard Den
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
concupiscible market
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Mustard Den
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Clear Cerebral Meetinghouse Scourge Upon The Earth
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Light corner hunting ground
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
irate mewling nibblets
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
bateful sadistic address
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Exhilarant Shrine Voyeur
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
overrated really tough guy
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor
  12/18/25
lol
overrated really tough guy
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
jet-lagged forum regret
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Hideous indigo famous landscape painting
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
laughsome pungent garrison mediation
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
laughsome pungent garrison mediation
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
laughsome pungent garrison mediation
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal
  12/21/25
cr
Hideous indigo famous landscape painting
  12/18/25
Anabasis
electric insane set
  12/18/25
...
overrated really tough guy
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
twisted bisexual dysfunction
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
overrated really tough guy
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
misanthropic cheese-eating stage
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Boyish narrow-minded stead
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
gaped ape public bath
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
overrated really tough guy
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Mustard Den
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Hideous indigo famous landscape painting
  12/18/25
...
beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Slate selfie potus
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
iridescent church
  12/18/25
...
Slate selfie potus
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
jet-lagged forum regret
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
flesh curious national deer antler
  12/18/25
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comical lettuce indian lodge
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
orchid gunner crackhouse
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Rose Kitty Cat New Version
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
electric insane set
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
Exciting son of senegal brethren
  12/19/25
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Mustard Den

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: excitant casino

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: spectacular hyperactive hissy fit

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Supple lodge doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Rose Kitty Cat New Version

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Rose Kitty Cat New Version

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: appetizing partner

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Rose Kitty Cat New Version

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: galvanic umber mother faggot firefighter

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: wonderful factory reset button

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Lemon Cuckold

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Mustard Den

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Lemon Cuckold

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Mustard Den

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Lemon Cuckold

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: bateful sadistic address

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Hideous indigo famous landscape painting

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: bateful sadistic address

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Hideous indigo famous landscape painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: galvanic umber mother faggot firefighter

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Slate selfie potus

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Mustard Den

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: concupiscible market

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Mustard Den

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Clear Cerebral Meetinghouse Scourge Upon The Earth

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Light corner hunting ground

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: irate mewling nibblets

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: bateful sadistic address

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Exhilarant Shrine Voyeur

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: overrated really tough guy

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: overrated really tough guy

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: jet-lagged forum regret

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Hideous indigo famous landscape painting

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: laughsome pungent garrison mediation

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: laughsome pungent garrison mediation

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: laughsome pungent garrison mediation

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Demanding Macaca Sneaky Criminal

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Hideous indigo famous landscape painting

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: electric insane set

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: overrated really tough guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: twisted bisexual dysfunction

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: overrated really tough guy

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: misanthropic cheese-eating stage

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Boyish narrow-minded stead

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: gaped ape public bath

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: overrated really tough guy

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Mustard Den

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Hideous indigo famous landscape painting

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Slate selfie potus

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: beady-eyed maroon native fortuitous meteor

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: iridescent church

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Slate selfie potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: jet-lagged forum regret

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: flesh curious national deer antler

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: comical lettuce indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: orchid gunner crackhouse

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Rose Kitty Cat New Version

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: electric insane set

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Exciting son of senegal brethren

abridged edgar allen poe short stories

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