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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Irradiated bistre gas station new version
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
sexy impressive national crotch
  12/18/25
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stimulating insecure nibblets
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
razzle coral becky round eye
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
razzle coral becky round eye
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Exhilarant house
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
razzle coral becky round eye
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Charcoal field generalized bond
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Aromatic turdskin
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Know-it-all laughsome public bath
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Know-it-all laughsome public bath
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab
  12/18/25
180
Know-it-all laughsome public bath
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Lavender Voyeur
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Heady green black woman
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Lavender Voyeur
  12/18/25
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Heady green black woman
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Charcoal field generalized bond
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Adventurous Regret Hell
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Crawly frisky haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Peach temple
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
vigorous pit
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Saffron glittery menage
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Lavender Voyeur
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Ungodly garrison laser beams
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
passionate chartreuse goyim
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
outnumbered market
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
passionate chartreuse goyim
  12/18/25
lol
outnumbered market
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
rough-skinned talking forum dragon
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Heady green black woman
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
passionate chartreuse goyim
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
vermilion electric trust fund
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
vermilion electric trust fund
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
vermilion electric trust fund
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building
  12/21/25
cr
Heady green black woman
  12/18/25
Anabasis
slate place of business
  12/18/25
...
outnumbered market
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
lascivious jewess
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
outnumbered market
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Irate Filthpig Hospital
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Titillating lilac striped hyena legal warrant
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Floppy Flesh Faggot Firefighter
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
outnumbered market
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Heady green black woman
  12/18/25
...
passionate chartreuse goyim
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Adventurous Regret Hell
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
passionate chartreuse goyim
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Lake hunting ground immigrant
  12/18/25
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Adventurous Regret Hell
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
rough-skinned talking forum dragon
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Abusive puppy
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Red Plaza Quadroon
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Gaped Drab Multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
razzle coral becky round eye
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
slate place of business
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
yellow karate
  12/19/25
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Irradiated bistre gas station new version

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: sexy impressive national crotch

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: stimulating insecure nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: razzle coral becky round eye

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: razzle coral becky round eye

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Exhilarant house

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: razzle coral becky round eye

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Charcoal field generalized bond

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Aromatic turdskin

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Know-it-all laughsome public bath

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Know-it-all laughsome public bath

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Know-it-all laughsome public bath

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Lavender Voyeur

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Heady green black woman

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Lavender Voyeur

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Heady green black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Charcoal field generalized bond

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Adventurous Regret Hell

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Crawly frisky haunted graveyard

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Peach temple

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: vigorous pit

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Saffron glittery menage

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Lavender Voyeur

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Ungodly garrison laser beams

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: passionate chartreuse goyim

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: outnumbered market

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: passionate chartreuse goyim

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: outnumbered market

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: rough-skinned talking forum dragon

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Heady green black woman

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: passionate chartreuse goyim

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: vermilion electric trust fund

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: vermilion electric trust fund

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: vermilion electric trust fund

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Stirring crimson volcanic crater church building

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Heady green black woman

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: slate place of business

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: outnumbered market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: lascivious jewess

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: outnumbered market

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Irate Filthpig Hospital

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Titillating lilac striped hyena legal warrant

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Floppy Flesh Faggot Firefighter

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: outnumbered market

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Vengeful Stock Car Rehab

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Heady green black woman

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: passionate chartreuse goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Adventurous Regret Hell

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: passionate chartreuse goyim

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Lake hunting ground immigrant

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Adventurous Regret Hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: rough-skinned talking forum dragon

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Abusive puppy

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Red Plaza Quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Gaped Drab Multi-billionaire

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: razzle coral becky round eye

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: slate place of business

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