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Date: May 13th, 2016 9:50 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit feel like i'm having a heart attack after eating wings wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474299) |
Date: May 13th, 2016 9:51 PM Author: Ivory den do u like spicy wings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474308) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 9:54 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit yes, i just ate pizza hut wings. how did i become a fat fuck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474320) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:01 PM Author: vigorous yarmulke nursing home Eat plants, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474363) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:10 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i need to start doing this. any tips? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474427) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:17 PM Author: Curious mischievous area candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474472) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:20 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i make smoothies isn't that the same thing ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474492) |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 8:00 AM Author: vigorous yarmulke nursing home Yeah, that's the easiest way. Just throw a bunch of spinach, some broccoli, a sliced apple, some chia seeds, some plant protein, and some water into a high powered blender and drink up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30476180) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:03 PM Author: Naked wagecucks Cop dat prilosec (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474374) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:09 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit not going to risk getting dementia pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474423) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:23 PM Author: razzle-dazzle soggy roommate doctorate Eat early. Basically don't eat after 5pm. Also get a big pillow.
Try to cut out the food that you think does this the most. For me a lot of foods give me GERD. Like spice, onions, dark chocolate etc. But tea was the worst. Once I stopped drinking tea, things got much better. You must have one food like that that is doing this to you. |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:35 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i don't eat onions or dark chocolate but unfortunately spicy food does trigger it. which is a bummer because i love spicy food. this is going to sound gross but the other day i had such bad acid reflux from bbq wings that i threw up in my mouth a little :| (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474580) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:37 PM Author: razzle-dazzle soggy roommate doctorate Yeah you have GERD. I enjoy this part though. Like a cow. I get to retaste my meal! Don't eat spicy food before going to bed. So eat spicy for breakfast or lunch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474593) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:38 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit FML. i had those bbq wings for lunch too. i'm not even 30, i'm too young for GERD! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474602) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:42 PM Author: provocative hall i had this for a while. i was waking up in the middle of the night choking on acid or whatever. one time I thought i was going to die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474633) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:48 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit lol that sounds really scary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474661) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:52 PM Author: provocative hall basically you awake suddenly because you can't breathe...sat straight up trying to take a breath and it didn't go at first, so then you have that panic or whatever. then the next attempt it cleared and it was a big gasp.
I made a change shortly after that and it went away, no major issues.
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:53 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit fuck that's awful. have you changed your diet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474696) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:55 PM Author: provocative hall yeah i can't even remember what i was eating but it was probably like lasagna or something bad like that. yeah i just eat normal shit for dinner, some kind of meat and starch but don't bother with many fixings, i avoid tomatoes and spicy stuff and dairy and fatty things (like i ate peanut butter the other day for first time in a while and i got bad heartburn)
i didn't take any meds |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:57 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit peanut butter triggers heartburn? jeez. so we're just limited to plain grilled chicken fruits and veggies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474727) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:59 PM Author: provocative hall too much oil/fat i'm guessing. didn't really think of it until recently when i had it and got terrible heartburn. idk man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474745) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:34 PM Author: carmine nibblets point It's mostly from greasy foods and eating them excessively/at the wrong time of day. For example, I won't have coffee after 12pm, or pizza after 4pm, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474571) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:36 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit good advice. i need a better diet too. i am skinny fat and i hate it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474588) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:37 PM Author: carmine nibblets point I'm stocky and munch on a lot of shit :( I need to have a strict dietary regimen, but how when there is so much delicious shit around? I have donuts just a few feet away from me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474597) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:39 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit mmm donuts. my poor body is so pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474610) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:36 PM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard omeprazole 40 mg every day, 30 to 60 minutes before dinner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474583) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:37 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit is that the same thing as prilosec? i read that heartburn meds cause alzheimer's and dementia. no thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474599) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:14 PM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard yes, they have the same active ingredient, but prilosec is 20 mg, P&G's trade name, and it's 10x more expensive than generic omeprazole.
42 tablets of 20 mg prilosec = $23 on target's website right now.
90 tablets of 40 mg omeprazole = $10 |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:27 PM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard the studies linking proton pump inhibitors to neurodegeneration get a lot of media attention -- leading to MFEs like yourself making ill-informed health decisions -- but the truth is far more nuanced, the study was flawed in several significant respects, the link requires additional study, and, in any event, the observed link was exceedingly small.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/859438 (feb 26, 2016)
This study was based on the follow-up of a smaller cohort study that had been reported in 2015, suggesting a similar association with a hazard ratio (HR) of about 1.4 for PPI use and dementia.[5] In the present study of more than 200,000 patients, approximately 29,000 received a diagnosis of dementia in the 11 years of follow-up. Dementia was categorized just as dementia, and only 2.7% of patients actually had Alzheimer disease.
The scientific hypothesis was that PPIs may change the development of beta-amyloid plaques, and that there is some potential, at least shown in mice, that the PPIs may alter the beta-secretase or gamma-secretase that lays down these plaques in the brain.[6] As you may or may not know, there is some hypothesis and demonstration that these amyloid plaques are seen in the Alzheimer variant of dementia. Now recalling how dementia was categorized in this study and that only 2.7% of patients had Alzheimer disease, it's important to put this percentage into perspective, given this hypothesis that PPIs may change the development of amyloid plaques.
There was a nominal difference between men and women, with an HR of 1.52 for men and an HR of 1.42 for women for the association between PPI use and dementia.
The authors adjusted for some variables, but certainly not all confounders. They adjusted for age, gender, polypharmacy, stroke history, depression, ischemic heart disease, and diabetes.
They didn't adjust for some very important risk factors for dementia, including alcohol use, family history of dementia, and hypertension. These are well-known risk factors for dementia, and for some reason, these weren't included in the analysis. Thus, we're missing a tremendous amount of potential risk factors that might account for the imbalance of incident dementia between PPI users and nonusers.
We need to recognize that "dementia" was not well qualified. We have no way to know whether it was true dementia. Was it just cognitive impairment? There clearly are psychomotor and cognitive assessments that can differentiate cognitive impairment without dementia. We don't have any of that information.
As in a number of these recent pharmacovigilant studies, we've seen a nominal odds ratio association suggesting associated with a medication; in this case, it's a PPI. Interestingly, the same challenge was made with histamine-2 (H2) receptor antagonists. A study reported that H2 antagonist users had about 2.4 greater odds of cognitive impairment compared with nonusers.[7] This one is 1.4 times. In another study, H2 antagonist use was not associated with all-cause dementia or Alzheimer disease.[8]
There was also no risk-profile adjustment for dose. If you were going to report that this was a dose/response effect, you'd like to see some effect of higher doses or over longer periods of time.
In my mind, there are a lot of potential biases owing to the lack of statistical adjustment for key risk factors for dementia. We also don't have any knowledge about the qualitative assessments for the diagnosis of dementia in these patients, but we do know that there are mechanistic ways to do this using validated instruments, none of which were used in this particular study.
There are a lot of issues with these data.
*Some of these pharmacovigilance studies with PPIs have created a lot of undue angst. When carefully analyzed, they really are not anything more than a little bit of noise right now.*
In my mind (no pun intended, and I do take a PPI), I'm very confident that right now you don't need to change therapies on the basis of concern about dementia. |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 11:49 AM Author: lilac range my grandma's been taking these meds for like 20 to 30 years. mid 80s no dementia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30476899) |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 11:51 AM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30476911) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:40 PM Author: razzle-dazzle soggy roommate doctorate this is credited. don't know if side effect (if any). i have been on this intermittently and it works well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474612) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:41 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit back when i was eating/drinking kale (apparently kale gives me acid reflux), i had acid reflux for DAYS and the only thing that got rid of it was prilosec (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474622) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:19 PM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard discussed side effects w/ a GI doc.
there was a recent medical study that claimed proton-pump inhibitors, over a multi-decade daily course of treatment, slightly increase chance of kidney trouble -- so i asked him about it.
he said not to worry about it; single studies are always being disproven, the jury's still out, and even if it turns out to be true, it's a slight risk after taking it for a very long time -- meaning there's a high likelihood a better treatment comes along before the long-term side effects manifest.
GI doc's been taking 60mg omeprazole daily for over three decades and has never seen any kidney problems in himself or anyone he's treated.
he's undoubtedly full of shit. but before i started taking it, i'd regularly choke up stomach acid while sleeping; hasn't happened again since. |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:28 PM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard re: neurodegeneration caused by PPIs:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/859438 (feb 26, 2016)
This study was based on the follow-up of a smaller cohort study that had been reported in 2015, suggesting a similar association with a hazard ratio (HR) of about 1.4 for PPI use and dementia.[5] In the present study of more than 200,000 patients, approximately 29,000 received a diagnosis of dementia in the 11 years of follow-up. Dementia was categorized just as dementia, and only 2.7% of patients actually had Alzheimer disease.
The scientific hypothesis was that PPIs may change the development of beta-amyloid plaques, and that there is some potential, at least shown in mice, that the PPIs may alter the beta-secretase or gamma-secretase that lays down these plaques in the brain.[6] As you may or may not know, there is some hypothesis and demonstration that these amyloid plaques are seen in the Alzheimer variant of dementia. Now recalling how dementia was categorized in this study and that only 2.7% of patients had Alzheimer disease, it's important to put this percentage into perspective, given this hypothesis that PPIs may change the development of amyloid plaques.
There was a nominal difference between men and women, with an HR of 1.52 for men and an HR of 1.42 for women for the association between PPI use and dementia.
The authors adjusted for some variables, but certainly not all confounders. They adjusted for age, gender, polypharmacy, stroke history, depression, ischemic heart disease, and diabetes.
They didn't adjust for some very important risk factors for dementia, including alcohol use, family history of dementia, and hypertension. These are well-known risk factors for dementia, and for some reason, these weren't included in the analysis. Thus, we're missing a tremendous amount of potential risk factors that might account for the imbalance of incident dementia between PPI users and nonusers.
We need to recognize that "dementia" was not well qualified. We have no way to know whether it was true dementia. Was it just cognitive impairment? There clearly are psychomotor and cognitive assessments that can differentiate cognitive impairment without dementia. We don't have any of that information.
As in a number of these recent pharmacovigilant studies, we've seen a nominal odds ratio association suggesting associated with a medication; in this case, it's a PPI. Interestingly, the same challenge was made with histamine-2 (H2) receptor antagonists. A study reported that H2 antagonist users had about 2.4 greater odds of cognitive impairment compared with nonusers.[7] This one is 1.4 times. In another study, H2 antagonist use was not associated with all-cause dementia or Alzheimer disease.[8]
There was also no risk-profile adjustment for dose. If you were going to report that this was a dose/response effect, you'd like to see some effect of higher doses or over longer periods of time.
In my mind, there are a lot of potential biases owing to the lack of statistical adjustment for key risk factors for dementia. We also don't have any knowledge about the qualitative assessments for the diagnosis of dementia in these patients, but we do know that there are mechanistic ways to do this using validated instruments, none of which were used in this particular study.
There are a lot of issues with these data.
*Some of these pharmacovigilance studies with PPIs have created a lot of undue angst. When carefully analyzed, they really are not anything more than a little bit of noise right now.*
In my mind (no pun intended, and I do take a PPI), I'm very confident that right now you don't need to change therapies on the basis of concern about dementia. |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:37 PM Author: Exciting nowag psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474595) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:40 PM Author: bipolar twisted stead wrinkle im pretty sure its actually the aneurysms and organ failure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474618) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:42 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i'm hypochondriac man you can't say those things to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474628) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:41 PM Author: Avocado Cuckoldry Tanning Salon i avoid acidic foods (such as tomato products) to manage my heartburn. take maybe 3-4 tums a week. I carry them around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474620) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:43 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit tums does nothing for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474640) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:43 PM Author: provocative hall don't take PPI, maybe take other basic heartburn but just clean up diet as others have mentioned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474638) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:49 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit cr. i guess i'll eat nothing but fruits for dinner. we'll see how long that lasts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474671) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:53 PM Author: provocative hall just eat plain, grilled chicken and veggies or like a piece of abread or something
i would avoid for dinner - fatty foods, spicy foods, dairy |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:55 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i eat like shit in general, i have to change my whole diet not just dinner. today i ate a slice of pizza AND a chicken parm sandwich (that was lunch). then wings for dinner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474714) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:57 PM Author: provocative hall yeah those all sound bad for someone who gets heartburn..
it's not so bad you'll get used to eating more bland food. I still eat plenty of meat just not all the other unnecessary shit that often goes with it |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:58 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit thx for commiserating. i knew i could find someone else who could relate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474735) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:00 PM Author: provocative hall plus you have more motivation to eat healthier. just get in the gym and lift heavy too.
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:03 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i do try to lift regularly. i haven't gone in like 2 weeks though because i was in a car accident, but i'll go tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474767) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:55 PM Author: Cracking Abode its not old age, its fatness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474713) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 10:56 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i eat like a fat fuck but i'm not overweight. my acid reflux was worse when i was underweight in fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474720) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:04 PM Author: Cracking Abode so heredity? cop dat Prilosec and step away from the fried foods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474775) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:06 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit i think it is hereditary. i have SPS genes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474789) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:10 PM Author: Cracking Abode so your Rx is stop eating shitfood, eat healthy. nothing to see here folks. your going to be ok '"""". |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:14 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit yeah yeah. i'm just lazy and lack self discipline but that will all change TOMORROW (or Monday or next month). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474838) |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 11:52 AM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard this is right. it is hereditary. in my case, changing my diet to completely avoid foods that cause excessive acid had no effect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30476919) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:13 PM Author: coiffed indigo feces spot Take several capsules of activated charcoal at least once a day after a big meal. http://www.vitacost.com is a good source to buy from.
Also consider a prescription for rifaximin. This is used to treat small intestinal bacterial overgrowth disorder, a common cause of digestive trouble.
Do not take any probiotics. Lots of people complain about that shit causing heartburn.
Also consider getting thyroid and liver function checked.
A tablespoon of honey can sooth the stomach, too. |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:15 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit what could be wrong with my thyroid and liver? i had a blood test a few months ago but my doctor is too negligent to call me back with the results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474845) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:18 PM Author: coiffed indigo feces spot Hypothyroidism can lead to a huge number of digestive, endocrine, cardiovascular etc problems. One thing relevant to heartburn is peristalsis, which is the contractions of the digestive tract that keep food moving. In hypothyroidism this becomes disordered.
Problems with your liver enzymes as well as fatty liver disorder will also affect digestion quality.
One crucial thing to keep in mind is that too LITTLE hydrochloric acid is as bad, actually worse, than too much.
Doctors are SPS. If you need a med they won't give you, you can try ordering from a Mexican pharmacy online. (At your own risk, I am not a doctor, etc.) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:24 PM Author: Charismatic Low-t Orchestra Pit this is all very interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30474899) |
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Date: May 13th, 2016 11:32 PM Author: provocative hall i think your points are cr.
prety sure i had this as a cause a while back |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 11:51 AM Author: judgmental school How old are you fags? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30476912) |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 11:53 AM Author: Cordovan kitchen haunted graveyard Unable to sleep due to acid reflux: age 22 Vomiting excess stomach acid in my sleep: age 25 |
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Date: May 14th, 2016 6:30 PM Author: turquoise giraffe fanboi Its from drinking unless you have a medical condition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#30479621) |
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Date: July 11th, 2026 9:30 PM Author: Big Bear Energy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3222939&forum_id=2...#49993582) |