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"they're not under our jurisdiction. also they have to obey immigration laws."
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Date: July 8th, 2026 1:53 PM Author: bronze adventurous space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986329) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:07 PM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease I wonder if it would be relevant for this conundrum that their very presence here is predicated on evading the US' assertion of jurisdiction over them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986336) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:14 PM Author: bronze adventurous space *evades non existent jurisdiction* (hegseth drunk driving abroad) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986672) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:53 PM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease Speaking of being drunk, tell me again about this "non existent" jurisdiction thesis you have and how it supports your attempt at a point in this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986711) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 5:40 PM Author: bronze adventurous space "failing to detect" =/= "lacking jurisdiction" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986813) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:51 AM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease "failing to detect" isn't accurate. "Intentionally avoiding the instruments of jurisdictional awareness and assertion" is much more accurate
You're also conflating the subjects of each of your statements. One is aimed at the lawbreakers illegally entering the country. The other is aimed at the children birthed by the lawbreakers
Either way, they shouldn't go back. Instead, the lawbreakers should be rounded up and tossed from helicopters 50 miles off the nearest ocean coast to where they were found |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:59 AM Author: Marvelous headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988160) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:12 PM Author: bronze adventurous space oh ok so evading detection means there's a lack of jurisdiction, and that lack of jurisdiction is precisely what makes them subject to immigration laws. (actual retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49989453) |
Date: July 8th, 2026 2:09 PM Author: peach seedy useless brakes The immigration situation is untenable and it's been shown time and time again that many of these newer immigrants have no respect for American culture and our way of being. Also anti-white discrimination is real and experienced by many in the modern day United States and this must be addressed, or be allowed to be addressed, by actors and agents within the government. Continued immigration from these regions is a fine prospect under certain auspices but Dems have been going all out to keep these people from integrating and culturally becoming more settled within the American project. It goes without saying at this point that, "If you have open borders you shortly will find yourself without a state." Many immigrants are not respecting the liberal facets of American culture and the effects of this on your own demographic have been keenly felt, observed, and noted. This said, we need a sort of "New Deal" to strengthen our ties with South and Central America and shore up the spirit of the Monroe doctrine. Special and certain immigration provisions, open to people willing to break with their ethnic and cultural ties to integrate into the wider American experiment, could be a part of this. Trump has been fair to decent on the immigration issue all in all but there's only so much that can be done with the current cultural mess left by this foreign promulgated neo-Bolshevik political insanity. |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:11 PM Author: Ultramarine fighting field tl; dr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986343) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:13 PM Author: peach seedy useless brakes Cartel type gangsters will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and our security partners in Israel and the wider North American community are now fully on board with this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986344) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:14 PM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease We don't need to trade our fucking national integrity and immigration rights to secure the benefits you're talking about. If we stopped using our CIA and influence to destabilize or vassalize everyone in our hemisphere, motherfuckers would be receptive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986347) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:39 PM Author: peach seedy useless brakes The things that you are talking about haven't meaningfully happened for decades and took place under war time conditions with an existential threat to the natural liberties of man, as those natural liberties were protected by the Anglo-American led Euro-American alliance against the tyranny of Bolshevism Respect your elders |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 3:06 PM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease You're right. Recent and current Venezuela and Cuba aren't part of an intentional, multi decades-long US foreign policy approach. Don't know what I was thinking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986494) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:26 PM Author: peach seedy useless brakes Cuba is doing fine and the doors have been opening now that the Castros are out of power. The main reason rapproachment didn't take place sooner is the very influential Cuban lobby's effects on both the right and the left; it hasn't been an American area of concern for some time Venezuela's a result of the Chinese push into the region as well as Russian attempts at using Venezuelan oil to further hamper the West's response to the Ukrainian invasion |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:54 PM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease You're right. The US didn't abduct Maduro in the night or physically blockade Cuba (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986713) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:13 PM Author: bronze adventurous space what trump's impoverished white base can never admit to itself is that the only reason they have food and healthcare is because mexians are smart enough to vote in a self interested way. but this thread isn't about immigration--it's about lawless venal hacks making shit up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986667) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 5:13 PM Author: peach seedy useless brakes suffice to say the trump movement was supposed to go in a very different direction and ended up being stymied by needlessly reactionary forces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986758) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 7:32 AM Author: Self-centered trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987841) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:32 PM Author: twinkling cruel-hearted pozpig this is why nobody respects right wing justices (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986394) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 2:33 PM Author: crystalline locus telephone they have to go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986397) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:24 PM Author: Nofapping charismatic business firm They didnt come here LEGALLY, therefore the LEGAL system doesn't apply to them
Got it. |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 4:42 PM Author: bronze adventurous space i don't think you "got it" because you're a very stupid person who can't read. if you're in america, you have to follow the law (ie you're "subject to the jurisdiction" of the american government). whether or not you're here legally doesn't change that fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986694) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 5:18 PM Author: Lime Casino Background Story I think the indictment and arrest of Nicolas Maduro shows there are very few places on earth, maybe China, Russia, and North Korea, where the people aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, so at this point we're only arguing about where the "United States" is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986769) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 5:42 PM Author: Drab hissy fit Libs recently argued to SCOTUS that people physically standing inside Mexican territory, not touching the border, are "in the United States". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49986825) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 10:15 PM Author: bronze adventurous space you can't cite a restriction that was intended reduce (but not eliminate) asylum claims then act like artificially manufacturing that restriction justifies using the law to do something it was never intended to do. this is like shooting someone at 3:59 pm then penalizing him for failing to meet a 4:00 pm deadline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987460) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 11:51 PM Author: Impressive parlor It’s nothing like that you fucking dullard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987596) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 8:38 PM Author: Ultramarine fighting field Cons think there's still room for debate on this issue 🤣 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987252) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 10:22 PM Author: razzmatazz brunch philosopher-king none of you knuckleheads saying this is a simple, obvious question like benzo actually read the supreme court opinions. all sorts of interesting historical letters and views cited. genuine disagreement among prominent historians what the original textual meaning is. if it's ambiguous, maybe we should err on the side of not handing out citizenship willy nilly unless congress opines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987467) |
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Date: July 8th, 2026 11:05 PM Author: Ultramarine fighting field The decision will be overturned any day now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987544) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 12:43 AM Author: canary mood piazza it's not ambiguous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987654) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:54 AM Author: razzmatazz brunch philosopher-king do you find it strange that committing a crime (entering the usa with the intent to live here, without authority) grants the lawbreaker a legal right for his future generations? it seems kind of perverse, no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987938) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 1:27 AM Author: bronze adventurous space the language isn't remotely ambiguous. it's three sentences long and it must have been perfectly foreseeable that it would be interpreted to mean exactly what it says. it's not like the citizenship clause was bestowed on us by aliens who were unaware of visiting noncitizens sometimes giving birth to children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987676) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:56 AM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease This is where you look into intent as well. This was a slave amendment. It had nothing to do with wanting to provide rights to foreign invaders (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988152) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 7:31 PM Author: razzmatazz brunch philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49989356) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:06 PM Author: bronze adventurous space then add a brief line to the already very brief clause. if you're serious about wanting people to do something, you don't make them go on a scavenger hunt for clues about your intentions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49989438) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:58 AM Author: Pungent pearly halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988276) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 12:12 AM Author: Ultramarine fighting field hey cons, got any more semantic arguments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49987622) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:18 AM Author: Ultramarine fighting field Cons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988057) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:41 AM Author: Pungent pearly halford subject to jurisdition means you are a fucking citizen. why else put it in?
the alternative is to say ilegal aliens are not subject to our laws, which is of course absurd. everyone everywhere is subject to the law of whatever soil their feet happen to be on at the moment.
fuck me blind xo is dumb as shit these days.
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:57 AM Author: Maize hot love of her life mad cow disease Dude, it's benzo. Part of the fun is talking in circles in ways he can kinda sorta follow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988157) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 1:41 PM Author: Ultramarine fighting field Quick, call John Roberts. This is outstanding logic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988450) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 4:10 PM Author: Pungent pearly halford It’s the logic of the guys who wrote the damn thing. I don’t need a closet gays opinion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988744) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 4:47 PM Author: Ultramarine fighting field Ok then I guess your kids won't become citizens at birth. You'll need have your papers in order (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49988828) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 9:49 AM Author: SkaddenArse My papers are in order. I am a citizen not a brown retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49990438) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:18 PM Author: bronze adventurous space apparently the meaning of words is inadequate to determine the meaning of words. the phrase means "has to follow our laws" and applies to all but like 5 people in the country at any given time (ie people representing foreign governments). if they meant "citizens" then they probably would have used the word "citizens." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49989473) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:01 AM Author: SkaddenArse Everyone on our soil has to follow our laws. Same as if I were to go to Tokyo today - I would have to follow Japanese law. But I am not subject to their jurisdiction for I am subject to US jurisdiction. jurisdiction being a legal concept (extradition laws, court procedures, counsel requirements, etc)
This is the obvious meaning and intention. It’s sad that it’s been perverted by the few to the detriment of the many. |
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Date: July 11th, 2026 6:07 PM Author: queensbridge benzo they used the word citizen like five times (except to describe the requirement you made up re: people's parents). but yeah they wanted people to obey something and thought the best way to go about it was to make them go on a scavenger hunt for clues to figure out what they were talking about instead of just saying what they meant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49993310) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:25 PM Author: Frum hospital affirmative action The Honorable Justice Benzo: “they are subject to some of our laws, so therefore the children of foreign diplomats, dignitaries, and invading armies are US citizens after all.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49989494) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:39 PM Author: bronze adventurous space "only citizens have to follow the law, which is why they didn't use the word citizens" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#49989542) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 9:19 PM Author: queensbridge benzo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5880790&forum_id=2...id#50005219) |