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Explain "Roguelike" game genre
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:46 PM Author: histrionic space You're supposed to play through multiple times and keep dying but eventually you beat it or something? I don't understand, seems tedious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341712) |
Date: October 16th, 2022 5:53 PM Author: Ruddy Parlour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRioOpF5sw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341732) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:53 PM Author: concupiscible corn cake it's like diablo/PoE style games but you actually get to make meaingful decisions instead of just mindlessly aoe'ing down AI bots for hours
i don't play those games but they seem alright if you're into the single player exploration type games |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:54 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets Apparently Nethack has been proposed as an AI target.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.11889 |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:51 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig I just started playing nethack the other day, it's brutal, especially unspoilered. Tbh I never expect to ascend because I'm unspoilered (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341957) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:55 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets You never know! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341972) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:54 PM Author: big orchid boltzmann neckbeards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341740) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:54 PM Author: henna affirmative action I also had never encountered this term until a few years ago. I imagine it being a game where you play like a rogue. Breaking the law, assaulting people, taking their money etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341743) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:55 PM Author: histrionic space niggerlike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341744) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:56 PM Author: henna affirmative action You could be an old time pirate or an Englishman in the time of Robin Hood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341752) |
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Date: July 4th, 2025 4:19 PM Author: nudist telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#49072276) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:55 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets It's a procedurally generated dungeon crawler with permadeath in the fashion of the old game ROGUE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341746) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:57 PM Author: henna affirmative action How is that different from Ultima? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341755) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:57 PM Author: histrionic space how do you "beat" them? or do you just play endlessly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341757) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM Author: henna affirmative action The old wizardry games let you import your stats across releases but you were never overpowered. One series I forget let you build your whole crew of specialists, and any that didn't die by the end could be ported over. It was a 180 incentive to defeat the demon or whatever was the main issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341776) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:02 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets Most people never will. They're insanely difficult due to the randomness and permadeath. But there are winning conditions — like in nethack you ascend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341791) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:58 PM Author: Razzmatazz Transparent Tanning Salon Roguelikes value gameplay above all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341762) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:58 PM Author: Floppy Forum Yes, but with each playthrough you get stronger via better weapons or abilities so that each subsequent playthrough is a little easier than the last. Some games do it way better than others. Hades and Dead Cells are great games for people with limited time, e.g, parents (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341767) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:59 PM Author: histrionic space i tried binding of issac and i didnt know wtf i was doing and died almost immediately
i don't think i even got any power ups |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM Author: Floppy Forum Play Hades now. It's a 9/10 type of game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341775) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:03 PM Author: histrionic space better than dead cells? heard a lot about both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341792) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:34 PM Author: Citrine Love Of Her Life Indian Lodge Hades is a little better, but Dead Cells is near the top. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341908) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM Author: Razzmatazz Transparent Tanning Salon Hades is 180. Have you tried Returnal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341784) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:04 PM Author: Canary institution Hades doesn’t get easier imo afaik Iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341797) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:14 PM Author: Citrine Love Of Her Life Indian Lodge It does. Once you unlock enough shit it becomes a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341853) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:13 PM Author: Citrine Love Of Her Life Indian Lodge persistent unlocks/stat growths are not an element of the roguelike genre. some roguelike games have it, but many do not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341847) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:28 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets They're roguelite (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341892) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:54 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341969) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:02 PM Author: Citrine Love Of Her Life Indian Lodge The question becomes whether one considers roguelites to be an entirely separate genre from roguelikes, or whether they are a roguelike subgenre. I fall pretty strongly in the subgenre camp because these games all have common origins. I'd call them all "roguelikes" and then split roguelikes into "true roguelikes" and "roguelites." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341998) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:03 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig I don't like the term "roguelite" because it basically means "anything the developers call a roguelike but is nothing like a roguelike except you die a lot." See chart linked below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45342006) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:13 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets I think it's useful to describe stuff like Fatal Labyrinth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45342075) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:53 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341967) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM Author: talented dilemma RogueLIKE = Like Rogue, play a single life until you beat the game or die. If you die you lose all progress and must start again on a new character. Runs often have large procedurally generated components. For example, you may pick up an "orange potion" on one run and the only way to find out what it does is to drink it. Then you know what "orange potion" does on that run. But next run "orange potion" might do something different.
RogueLITE = Play until you beat it or die. Playthroughs unlock additional content for future runs (e.g., more health, new powers, new items, shortcuts, etc.). Even if you're bad at the game you can eventually grind your way to victory. This persistent progress augments the procedurally generated aspects of the game so that you feel a sense of accomplishment even when you lose a run.
There are very few roguelikes these days. Lots of roguelites.
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:06 PM Author: henna affirmative action Roguelike sounds like every old school rpg. There was never a single one where you could get killed and get reborn with all your progress. The most you could ever do was load a saved game. Games that let you die over and over and over again didn't even become a thing until everyone started getting "consoles." Old games gave you three lives, none gave you unlimited lives without putting in more quarters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341810) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:16 PM Author: talented dilemma Rogue (and roguelikes) was what would now be called an "ironman" game. You can't save and reload later. This is vastly different from a traditional JRPG where dying only costs you progress from your last save point. Of course save points are one of the things that enable 8+ hour story-driven games. A complete run of a roguelike might be 30-120 minutes. Some modern roguelikes (e.g., Noita) may have iterations of runs that are longer (~6 hours) but they allow you to save and quit out so you can play over multiple sessions (but can never reload an old save after dying). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341859) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:24 PM Author: henna affirmative action Ok that sounds neat but it also doesn't sound like any game I've ever played. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341877) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:03 PM Author: Canary institution They’re extremely tedious and hard but insipid Losers and Winners who excel at video games wear by them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341794) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:05 PM Author: histrionic space i want to be a Loser (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341805) |
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Date: June 12th, 2026 10:40 PM Author: Big Bear Energy You’re in luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#49935065) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:06 PM Author: histrionic space I'm on year 9 of my Football Manager 2022 career so i don't mind a tedious game btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341809) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:10 PM Author: concupiscible corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341823) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:16 PM Author: cordovan naked new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341860) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:10 PM Author: henna affirmative action Can they be turn based or do they require an arcade component? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341825) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:11 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets They are traditionally turn based. Diablo is not a roguelike, it's an action rpg. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341831) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:15 PM Author: henna affirmative action How is "procedurally generated" different from "randomly generated?" The original tabletop games were all about rolling dice with different numbers of facets. A guy with a book was generating the story as the players went along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341855) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:16 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets Roguelikes / ROGUE are based on AD&D play mechanics. They and other RPG's have a common ancestor. But Diablo is not turn based. It's an action RPG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341861) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:23 PM Author: henna affirmative action Ok I just realized "Rogue" is older than Wizardry. Lmao, they are same games that used to be called RPGs. I guess they didn't want to call them that anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45341876) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:02 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig It's like FPS games used to be called "DooM clones". """They""" don't want to call them RPGs because RPG is incredibly vague. If you want the autistic and precise answer on what a roguelike is, check here: http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation non-modality is very important imo. Eg in Fallout, there's a "combat" sequence, where you go into a different mode to fight turnbased. In roguelikes, all actions you can make with your equipment/skills are available *at all times,* ostensibly leading to more dynamic and innovative possible solutions for the player. |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:06 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets "Doom clone" was never used to refer to the genre; rather, there was not much of a notion of genre. But recall that Wolfenstein was a huge hit and preceded Doom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45342019) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:07 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig Obviously I wasn't alive to see it in person, but I beg to differ: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/6/64/Doom_clone_vs_first_person_shooter.png/revision/latest?cb=20050205003326 |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:13 PM Author: fragrant massive stag film I used to play Pixel Dungeon on my phone
But then once I had a run where I did massively better than all previous runs. I put it on pause and I was essentially too afraid of restarting and dying that I never did and just quit the game lmao |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:53 PM Author: irradiated stead rigpig Obligatory: https://www.vildravn.net/posts/roguelike_chart.png |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:11 PM Author: aromatic temple nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45342052) |
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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:50 PM Author: henna affirmative action Makes sense. Also I feel good about not having ever a played a single game listed there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45342344) |
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Date: October 17th, 2022 3:24 PM Author: slippery pocket flask risk of rain 2 is fucking 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2E#45345803) |