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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)

king felix won at 13-12. obv relief pitchers have won wit...
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/19/25
didnt some closers with a losing record win?
bat shit crazy gaming laptop
  10/19/25
Apparently only Gagne in '03.
misanthropic useless brakes circlehead
  10/19/25
n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/20/25
yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv ...
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/19/25
sheeit
bat shit crazy gaming laptop
  10/19/25
cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of win...
Maniacal maize weed whacker
  10/19/25
good point
bat shit crazy gaming laptop
  10/19/25
Cr it's not the Cy WINS award
doobsian zombie-like alpha
  10/20/25
He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any ML...
Cocky toilet seat set
  10/20/25
you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont...
Citrine fluffy son of senegal shrine
  10/20/25
poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recogn...
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/20/25
See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because R...
indigo field
  10/20/25
great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even aft...
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/20/25
Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game. ...
indigo field
  10/20/25
Did randy juice?
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/20/25
Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone j...
indigo field
  10/20/25
It’s an interesting question given he’s never be...
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/20/25
Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings. In 2019, 15 pitchers...
titillating plaza factory reset button
  10/20/25
these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surger...
out-of-control ticket booth
  10/20/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

king felix won at 13-12.

obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49360991)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: bat shit crazy gaming laptop

didnt some closers with a losing record win?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49360993)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM
Author: misanthropic useless brakes circlehead

Apparently only Gagne in '03.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361004)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361009)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361006)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM
Author: bat shit crazy gaming laptop

sheeit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361008)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Maniacal maize weed whacker

cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361005)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: bat shit crazy gaming laptop

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361007)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: doobsian zombie-like alpha

Cr it's not the Cy WINS award

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361025)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: Cocky toilet seat set

He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361092)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM
Author: Citrine fluffy son of senegal shrine

you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361097)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team

the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361267)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: indigo field

See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361279)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361383)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: indigo field

Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.

Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361544)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

Did randy juice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361583)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: indigo field

Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone juiced and he was coming off injuries in 2003 and he was so good as he got old. Argument against him juicing: he has never been accused, his stats can be explained by learning control as he got older/gave up a couple MPH. Conclusion: he's 18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361619)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

It’s an interesting question given he’s never been linked. Guys not linked that obviously doped, like David Ortiz, are heroes in the baseball media because they didn’t dope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361626)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: titillating plaza factory reset button

Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.

In 2019, 15 pitchers did that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361421)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: out-of-control ticket booth

these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361477)