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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)

king felix won at 13-12. obv relief pitchers have won wit...
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/19/25
didnt some closers with a losing record win?
Sepia shivering sanctuary
  10/19/25
Apparently only Gagne in '03.
Milky sweet tailpipe death wish
  10/19/25
n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/20/25
yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv ...
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/19/25
sheeit
Sepia shivering sanctuary
  10/19/25
cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of win...
opaque lettuce useless brakes
  10/19/25
good point
Sepia shivering sanctuary
  10/19/25
Cr it's not the Cy WINS award
Hot lavender market goyim
  10/20/25
He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any ML...
fragrant roommate
  10/20/25
you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont...
frisky sienna plaza kitty
  10/20/25
poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recogn...
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/20/25
See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because R...
Thriller Lay
  10/20/25
great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even aft...
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/20/25
Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game. ...
Thriller Lay
  10/20/25
Did randy juice?
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/20/25
Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone j...
Thriller Lay
  10/20/25
It’s an interesting question given he’s never be...
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/20/25
Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings. In 2019, 15 pitchers...
very tactful address brethren
  10/20/25
these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surger...
Khaki Titillating Stain Hall
  10/20/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

king felix won at 13-12.

obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49360991)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: Sepia shivering sanctuary

didnt some closers with a losing record win?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49360993)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM
Author: Milky sweet tailpipe death wish

Apparently only Gagne in '03.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361004)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361009)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361006)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM
Author: Sepia shivering sanctuary

sheeit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361008)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: opaque lettuce useless brakes

cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361005)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Sepia shivering sanctuary

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361007)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Hot lavender market goyim

Cr it's not the Cy WINS award

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361025)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: fragrant roommate

He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361092)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM
Author: frisky sienna plaza kitty

you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361097)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team

the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361267)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: Thriller Lay

See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361279)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361383)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Thriller Lay

Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.

Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361544)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

Did randy juice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361583)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Thriller Lay

Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone juiced and he was coming off injuries in 2003 and he was so good as he got old. Argument against him juicing: he has never been accused, his stats can be explained by learning control as he got older/gave up a couple MPH. Conclusion: he's 18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361619)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

It’s an interesting question given he’s never been linked. Guys not linked that obviously doped, like David Ortiz, are heroes in the baseball media because they didn’t dope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361626)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: very tactful address brethren

Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.

In 2019, 15 pitchers did that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361421)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: Khaki Titillating Stain Hall

these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361477)